Tom Brady: NFL should take hits on WRs' knees 'out of the game of football'

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I believe in due process and the presumption of innocence.

That's irrelevant....you said I presumed with no evidence. Incorrect. I literally took your own words re: 'how Brady has done things that no other player in any other sport has', and applied logic to that. It's literally unable to see the forrest through the trees. You want to believe it was all something Brady invented based on his mastery of chemistry/nutrition, plus the fact that him, and his body coach Guerrero have had their claims rejected in full?

Again....you can believe whatever you wish.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Princess should retire..

Lol not sure if serious or just joking.

What Brady has done in his career is the most impressive thing I've ever witnessed in my life watching sports. He is the Michael Jordan of football.

And he's also a petulant child, a cheat and an incredibly poor loser. His tantrums are downright embarrassing .

And the best football player of all time.

Not sure how you run a comparison between Brady and Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, Lawrence Taylor and Ronnie Lott, for example. Perhaps you would care to explain? For myself, I don't think he is even the best quarterback and I certainly don't consider him anywhere near the best player.

I know you don't, but I assume you're a typical, biased 49ers fan. No offense, I get it... I could be wrong, though. I judge Brady based off of his resume, which is absolutely bulletproof... the numbers, the championships, the longetivity, toughness, leadership, respect from his teammates. He's 10/10 in every way you can grade a football player, not just a quarterback... and he's 10/10 at that as well.

I mention your perceived bias because Joe Montana is considered the GOAT to 49er fans, so when someone else threatens that legacy he is automatically overrated in their eyes.

That ducks the question, sure enough.

To respond to the perceived bias, I don't give a damn who you think is the best qb. And I am not pushing my opinion on qb's. My question related to the comparison between players at different positions, which is actually damned nearly impossible. And that is without even bringing in comparisons between players of different eras, different rules. Which, in my view, makes comparisons and assessments of the best football player of all time, utterly meaningless.

It's kind of a cop out question, to be honest. If that's the case, how can we compare players from different eras? Hell, can we even compare players on different teams? Why have rankings and lists at all?

It's all personal opinion, and in mine, Brady is the GOAT.

You probably feel Emmit smith was a greatest running back because he has the most rushing yards

No, it doesn't work like that. Clearly you didn't understand my original post. The best of all time is either Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. But one could definitely make the argument for Emmitt.

i don't think you understood your post, my point is the guy who can last the longest and be protected will eventually have better stats. it's doesn't make emmit great, doesn't make tom great.. they just have the better stats

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Princess should retire..

Lol not sure if serious or just joking.

What Brady has done in his career is the most impressive thing I've ever witnessed in my life watching sports. He is the Michael Jordan of football.

And he's also a petulant child, a cheat and an incredibly poor loser. His tantrums are downright embarrassing .

And the best football player of all time.

Not sure how you run a comparison between Brady and Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, Lawrence Taylor and Ronnie Lott, for example. Perhaps you would care to explain? For myself, I don't think he is even the best quarterback and I certainly don't consider him anywhere near the best player.

I know you don't, but I assume you're a typical, biased 49ers fan. No offense, I get it... I could be wrong, though. I judge Brady based off of his resume, which is absolutely bulletproof... the numbers, the championships, the longetivity, toughness, leadership, respect from his teammates. He's 10/10 in every way you can grade a football player, not just a quarterback... and he's 10/10 at that as well.

I mention your perceived bias because Joe Montana is considered the GOAT to 49er fans, so when someone else threatens that legacy he is automatically overrated in their eyes.

That ducks the question, sure enough.

To respond to the perceived bias, I don't give a damn who you think is the best qb. And I am not pushing my opinion on qb's. My question related to the comparison between players at different positions, which is actually damned nearly impossible. And that is without even bringing in comparisons between players of different eras, different rules. Which, in my view, makes comparisons and assessments of the best football player of all time, utterly meaningless.

It's kind of a cop out question, to be honest. If that's the case, how can we compare players from different eras? Hell, can we even compare players on different teams? Why have rankings and lists at all?

It's all personal opinion, and in mine, Brady is the GOAT.

You probably feel Emmit smith was a greatest running back because he has the most rushing yards

No, it doesn't work like that. Clearly you didn't understand my original post. The best of all time is either Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. But one could definitely make the argument for Emmitt.

i don't think you understood your post, my point is the guy who can last the longest and be protected will eventually have better stats. it's doesn't make emmit great, doesn't make tom great.. they just have the better stats

If you think Tom is only great because of his numbers, then, well... I dont know what to tell you.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Princess should retire..

Lol not sure if serious or just joking.

What Brady has done in his career is the most impressive thing I've ever witnessed in my life watching sports. He is the Michael Jordan of football.

And he's also a petulant child, a cheat and an incredibly poor loser. His tantrums are downright embarrassing .

And the best football player of all time.

Not sure how you run a comparison between Brady and Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, Lawrence Taylor and Ronnie Lott, for example. Perhaps you would care to explain? For myself, I don't think he is even the best quarterback and I certainly don't consider him anywhere near the best player.

I know you don't, but I assume you're a typical, biased 49ers fan. No offense, I get it... I could be wrong, though. I judge Brady based off of his resume, which is absolutely bulletproof... the numbers, the championships, the longetivity, toughness, leadership, respect from his teammates. He's 10/10 in every way you can grade a football player, not just a quarterback... and he's 10/10 at that as well.

I mention your perceived bias because Joe Montana is considered the GOAT to 49er fans, so when someone else threatens that legacy he is automatically overrated in their eyes.

That ducks the question, sure enough.

To respond to the perceived bias, I don't give a damn who you think is the best qb. And I am not pushing my opinion on qb's. My question related to the comparison between players at different positions, which is actually damned nearly impossible. And that is without even bringing in comparisons between players of different eras, different rules. Which, in my view, makes comparisons and assessments of the best football player of all time, utterly meaningless.

It's kind of a cop out question, to be honest. If that's the case, how can we compare players from different eras? Hell, can we even compare players on different teams? Why have rankings and lists at all?

It's all personal opinion, and in mine, Brady is the GOAT.

You probably feel Emmit smith was a greatest running back because he has the most rushing yards

No, it doesn't work like that. Clearly you didn't understand my original post. The best of all time is either Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. But one could definitely make the argument for Emmitt.

i don't think you understood your post, my point is the guy who can last the longest and be protected will eventually have better stats. it's doesn't make emmit great, doesn't make tom great.. they just have the better stats

I think you're selling guys short to act as if longevity isn't a skill in and of itself. Jerry Rice worked relentlessly with his cardio, fitness, hill running, diet, to be the best and to last into his 40s. I wouldn't call that being protected. I'd call it next level dedication and work ethic, which Emmitt and Brady have as well.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
So basically, with no evidence, you presume Brady's guilt in doping as the reason for his success?

Because a completely unrelated guy in an entirely different sport did it?

You just went through the expense of telling us what Brady has done at his age and such is absolutely unprecendented, doing things that have never been done in a sport where you're taking abuse and whatnot? He chalks it up to his 'TB12 method' and you just willingly accept this? Tom Brady is some sorta advanced medicinal/nutritional chemist? He knows things that simply everybody else doesn't? Nothing to see here? Given that, AND knowing the fact that his known snake-oil salesman/voodoo doctor 'body coach' Alex Guerrero, who has made claims that his cocktails have cured people of such ailments such as cancer, and done wonders with people with MS, AIDS, Parkinsons, is leading the charge?

The dude has claimed that drinking water prevents him from getting sun burned, or some dumb s**t like that........I guess you believe that one as well?

You can believe whatever you wish....I'll believe the science that has refuted a lot of what Brady and Guerrero have peddled.

I believe in due process and the presumption of innocence.

Well you are being very naive then. The testing policy in the NFL is VERY liberal, and for many different reasons. But no doubt that if he was being tested for stuff that would be banned in the Olympics for example, he would be in trouble, as would 99% of NFL players.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Princess should retire..

Lol not sure if serious or just joking.

What Brady has done in his career is the most impressive thing I've ever witnessed in my life watching sports. He is the Michael Jordan of football.

And he's also a petulant child, a cheat and an incredibly poor loser. His tantrums are downright embarrassing .

And the best football player of all time.

Not sure how you run a comparison between Brady and Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, Lawrence Taylor and Ronnie Lott, for example. Perhaps you would care to explain? For myself, I don't think he is even the best quarterback and I certainly don't consider him anywhere near the best player.

I know you don't, but I assume you're a typical, biased 49ers fan. No offense, I get it... I could be wrong, though. I judge Brady based off of his resume, which is absolutely bulletproof... the numbers, the championships, the longetivity, toughness, leadership, respect from his teammates. He's 10/10 in every way you can grade a football player, not just a quarterback... and he's 10/10 at that as well.

I mention your perceived bias because Joe Montana is considered the GOAT to 49er fans, so when someone else threatens that legacy he is automatically overrated in their eyes.

That ducks the question, sure enough.

To respond to the perceived bias, I don't give a damn who you think is the best qb. And I am not pushing my opinion on qb's. My question related to the comparison between players at different positions, which is actually damned nearly impossible. And that is without even bringing in comparisons between players of different eras, different rules. Which, in my view, makes comparisons and assessments of the best football player of all time, utterly meaningless.

It's kind of a cop out question, to be honest. If that's the case, how can we compare players from different eras? Hell, can we even compare players on different teams? Why have rankings and lists at all?

It's all personal opinion, and in mine, Brady is the GOAT.

You probably feel Emmit smith was a greatest running back because he has the most rushing yards

No, it doesn't work like that. Clearly you didn't understand my original post. The best of all time is either Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. But one could definitely make the argument for Emmitt.

i don't think you understood your post, my point is the guy who can last the longest and be protected will eventually have better stats. it's doesn't make emmit great, doesn't make tom great.. they just have the better stats

I think you're selling guys short to act as if longevity isn't a skill in and of itself. Jerry Rice worked relentlessly with his cardio, fitness, hill running, diet, to be the best and to last into his 40s. I wouldn't call that being protected. I'd call it next level dedication and work ethic, which Emmitt and Brady have as well.

Rice wasn't finally breaking records at the end of his long tenure, he was just adding to them. unlike Brady and emmit

The game wasn't changed for Rice either. green smoothies will not do anything for brady in the 80's

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Princess should retire..

Lol not sure if serious or just joking.

What Brady has done in his career is the most impressive thing I've ever witnessed in my life watching sports. He is the Michael Jordan of football.

And he's also a petulant child, a cheat and an incredibly poor loser. His tantrums are downright embarrassing .

And the best football player of all time.

Not sure how you run a comparison between Brady and Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, Lawrence Taylor and Ronnie Lott, for example. Perhaps you would care to explain? For myself, I don't think he is even the best quarterback and I certainly don't consider him anywhere near the best player.

I know you don't, but I assume you're a typical, biased 49ers fan. No offense, I get it... I could be wrong, though. I judge Brady based off of his resume, which is absolutely bulletproof... the numbers, the championships, the longetivity, toughness, leadership, respect from his teammates. He's 10/10 in every way you can grade a football player, not just a quarterback... and he's 10/10 at that as well.

I mention your perceived bias because Joe Montana is considered the GOAT to 49er fans, so when someone else threatens that legacy he is automatically overrated in their eyes.

That ducks the question, sure enough.

To respond to the perceived bias, I don't give a damn who you think is the best qb. And I am not pushing my opinion on qb's. My question related to the comparison between players at different positions, which is actually damned nearly impossible. And that is without even bringing in comparisons between players of different eras, different rules. Which, in my view, makes comparisons and assessments of the best football player of all time, utterly meaningless.

It's kind of a cop out question, to be honest. If that's the case, how can we compare players from different eras? Hell, can we even compare players on different teams? Why have rankings and lists at all?

It's all personal opinion, and in mine, Brady is the GOAT.

You probably feel Emmit smith was a greatest running back because he has the most rushing yards

No, it doesn't work like that. Clearly you didn't understand my original post. The best of all time is either Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. But one could definitely make the argument for Emmitt.

i don't think you understood your post, my point is the guy who can last the longest and be protected will eventually have better stats. it's doesn't make emmit great, doesn't make tom great.. they just have the better stats

I think you're selling guys short to act as if longevity isn't a skill in and of itself. Jerry Rice worked relentlessly with his cardio, fitness, hill running, diet, to be the best and to last into his 40s. I wouldn't call that being protected. I'd call it next level dedication and work ethic, which Emmitt and Brady have as well.

Rice wasn't finally breaking records at the end of his long tenure, he was just adding to them. unlike Brady and emmit

The game wasn't changed for Rice either. green smoothies will not do anything for brady in the 80's

lol, steroids and other performance enhancing drugs were available since the 70s.

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2005/03/25/saints-coach-admits-steroid-use-as-player-in-early-1980s/

Saints coach Jim Haslett says he used steroids when he starred as a linebacker in the early 1980s, and claims the Pittsburgh Steelers' use of the drugs during Super Bowl championship seasons in the 1970s brought steroids into vogue around the NFL.

Haslett said Thursday that when he played in the NFL, steroid use was rampant because the league had no policy banning such drugs. The NFL has since attacked the problem, he said.

"That's because it wasn't illegal then," Haslett said. "That was my point. You had so many people using them because they were legal.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Princess should retire..

Lol not sure if serious or just joking.

What Brady has done in his career is the most impressive thing I've ever witnessed in my life watching sports. He is the Michael Jordan of football.

And he's also a petulant child, a cheat and an incredibly poor loser. His tantrums are downright embarrassing .

And the best football player of all time.

Not sure how you run a comparison between Brady and Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, Lawrence Taylor and Ronnie Lott, for example. Perhaps you would care to explain? For myself, I don't think he is even the best quarterback and I certainly don't consider him anywhere near the best player.

I know you don't, but I assume you're a typical, biased 49ers fan. No offense, I get it... I could be wrong, though. I judge Brady based off of his resume, which is absolutely bulletproof... the numbers, the championships, the longetivity, toughness, leadership, respect from his teammates. He's 10/10 in every way you can grade a football player, not just a quarterback... and he's 10/10 at that as well.

I mention your perceived bias because Joe Montana is considered the GOAT to 49er fans, so when someone else threatens that legacy he is automatically overrated in their eyes.

That ducks the question, sure enough.

To respond to the perceived bias, I don't give a damn who you think is the best qb. And I am not pushing my opinion on qb's. My question related to the comparison between players at different positions, which is actually damned nearly impossible. And that is without even bringing in comparisons between players of different eras, different rules. Which, in my view, makes comparisons and assessments of the best football player of all time, utterly meaningless.

It's kind of a cop out question, to be honest. If that's the case, how can we compare players from different eras? Hell, can we even compare players on different teams? Why have rankings and lists at all?

It's all personal opinion, and in mine, Brady is the GOAT.

You probably feel Emmit smith was a greatest running back because he has the most rushing yards

No, it doesn't work like that. Clearly you didn't understand my original post. The best of all time is either Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. But one could definitely make the argument for Emmitt.

i don't think you understood your post, my point is the guy who can last the longest and be protected will eventually have better stats. it's doesn't make emmit great, doesn't make tom great.. they just have the better stats

I think you're selling guys short to act as if longevity isn't a skill in and of itself. Jerry Rice worked relentlessly with his cardio, fitness, hill running, diet, to be the best and to last into his 40s. I wouldn't call that being protected. I'd call it next level dedication and work ethic, which Emmitt and Brady have as well.

Rice wasn't finally breaking records at the end of his long tenure, he was just adding to them. unlike Brady and emmit

The game wasn't changed for Rice either. green smoothies will not do anything for brady in the 80's

lol, steroids and other performance enhancing drugs were available since the 70s.

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2005/03/25/saints-coach-admits-steroid-use-as-player-in-early-1980s/

Saints coach Jim Haslett says he used steroids when he starred as a linebacker in the early 1980s, and claims the Pittsburgh Steelers' use of the drugs during Super Bowl championship seasons in the 1970s brought steroids into vogue around the NFL.

Haslett said Thursday that when he played in the NFL, steroid use was rampant because the league had no policy banning such drugs. The NFL has since attacked the problem, he said.

"That's because it wasn't illegal then," Haslett said. "That was my point. You had so many people using them because they were legal.

not sure if you're directing that at me, but my smoothie point was it wasn't going to save brady from being hit

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Well you are being very naive then. The testing policy in the NFL is VERY liberal, and for many different reasons. But no doubt that if he was being tested for stuff that would be banned in the Olympics for example, he would be in trouble, as would 99% of NFL players.

How is it naive?

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Brady cries more than any player I can remember. During the game, after the game, now on the radio. They change rules for him and he's still crying. The NFL has made it almost impossible to tackle a QB during his era and he is still crying. Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady; two of the greats of this generation and can't stop crying.

If it was someone on the Saints that got hurt from the same exact tackle and it was not Godwin, Brady would keep his mouth shut.

Well, he did grow up a "Forty-Whiner" fan…

WAIT! WAIT!

f**k brady

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Brady cries more than any player I can remember. During the game, after the game, now on the radio. They change rules for him and he's still crying. The NFL has made it almost impossible to tackle a QB during his era and he is still crying. Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady; two of the greats of this generation and can't stop crying.

If it was someone on the Saints that got hurt from the same exact tackle and it was not Godwin, Brady would keep his mouth shut.

Dude has been protected almost his entire career, and still cries about hits. Montana was battered like a ragdoll and never complained. Joe is still the greatest ever to me.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Brady cries more than any player I can remember. During the game, after the game, now on the radio. They change rules for him and he's still crying. The NFL has made it almost impossible to tackle a QB during his era and he is still crying. Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady; two of the greats of this generation and can't stop crying.

If it was someone on the Saints that got hurt from the same exact tackle and it was not Godwin, Brady would keep his mouth shut.

Dude has been protected almost his entire career, and still cries about hits. Montana was battered like a ragdoll and never complained. Joe is still the greatest ever to me…

… so sayeth The Lord, as well as, His Disciples. Hallelujah!

*offers the sign of the The Cross*

Qbs shouldn't get any extra treatment, all positions should be treated the same.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Tom Brady in September:

"A quarterback should only throw the ball to certain places, because your receiver is in danger of getting hit. If you're a quarterback you gotta protect yourself and your players," Brady said. "It shouldn't be the responsibility of your opponent to protect you. It creates really bad habits for players because you feel like 'I can basically do anything. I can run and not slide, I can throw my receiver into any coverage and not have any repercussion for it.' The only thing they're gonna do is they're actually going to blame the defensive player for making a good solid hit, and now the defensive player is going to feel like, 'Oh I can't do that,' even though I feel like it was an offensive mistake.

In the end, I think it's a disservice to the sport because the sport isn't being played at a high level like I believe that it once was. It actually deteriorates because you're not teaching the players the reasons and the fundamentals of what the sport should be."

Can't hit a guy too high....can't hit em too low.....which is it? Seriously, this guy has been a great QB....one of the best ever, but his production is largely....LARGELY due to all the rules that have protected him, and coddled offenses to a point where it's simply not the same game as it was 30 years ago. That, and his voodoo, snake oil doctor Alex Guerrero and whatever HGH-type nonsense he uses.....his protection off the field is on par with it on. Makes it very difficult to take anything from him seriously.

Those same rules benefit everyone else just the same yet nobody seems to be able to rise to his level of greatness.....Im sure it's just the rules though.