Brian Flores files discrimination lawsuit against Giants, Dolphins and the NFL.

Im so happy he's doing this. IMO the Rooney rule, similar to affirmative action, is racists as s**t and has been a negative process for people of color in the NFL for a long time. The intent was good, but the result is awful.

Kris Richard is a big one for me, Seahawks Legion of Boom got Gus Bradley and Dan Quinn Head Coaching jobs, and then DC jobs when they failed as Head Coaches.

Not only did Richard barely get an interview, he hasn't even been able to get another DC job.

Matt Patricia has now had the exactly the same tenure as Flores and probably future job prospects.

The success level is nowhere the same, Patricia took a winning team (from a winning black coach I might add) and turned them into a dumpster fire. Flores turned a dumpster fire into a winning team.

Originally posted by lamontb:
15 black coaches hired out of the last 159 opportunities. And not one of them were rehired Art Shell and Herm edwards are the only black head coaches to ever get rehired as a HC in NFL history. I didn't know it was that bad

I always hear numbers like this when it comes to Race, whether it be the NFL or Corporate America. And I honestly think it's unfortunate, I really do. But I also think that minorities are also simply a victim of numbers. For example, 15 hires out of 159 opportunities. How many candidates were black and how many were white? Because at the end of the day, you can't just hire a person (regardless of race) because of their race. I'm sure there are many qualified minority candidates but vs how many white qualified candidates?

I say, hire the Rooney's to submit their list of top qualified minority candidates lol. Anyone high on their list is probably a pretty good hire

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Kris Richard is a big one for me, Seahawks Legion of Boom got Gus Bradley and Dan Quinn Head Coaching jobs, and then DC jobs when they failed as Head Coaches.

Not only did Richard barely get an interview, he hasn't even been able to get another DC job.

Matt Patricia has now had the exactly the same tenure as Flores and probably future job prospects.

The success level is nowhere the same, Patricia took a winning team (from a winning black coach I might add) and turned them into a dumpster fire. Flores turned a dumpster fire into a winning team.

No one is ever hiring Matt Patricia to be a head coach again, anywhere. He made what Mangini did in Cleveland look like a minor hiccup. By the time he left, pretty much everyone in the Lions organization hated his guts, from top to bottom.

Originally posted by WINiner:
Im so happy he's doing this. IMO the Rooney rule, similar to affirmative action, is racists as s**t and has been a negative process for people of color in the NFL for a long time. The intent was good, but the result is awful.

I haven't got a problem with the rule, part of it is to give exposure to the process and to get a foot in the door (even if it's a big, chained door).

The problem is the owners and they need to somehow be held accountable.

Maybe there needs to be detailed feedback provided to the league (and an independent body) for all candidate interviews and for all firings. Should this panel find there has been discrimination or bias then let's start fining, removing draft picks, reducing salary caps and even threatening a mandated franchise sale for repeat, significant offenders.

Wow this is crazy

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
No one is ever hiring Matt Patricia to be a head coach again, anywhere. He made what Mangini did in Cleveland look like a minor hiccup. By the time he left, pretty much everyone in the Lions organization hated his guts, from top to bottom.

Yet he lasted the same amount of time as Flores.

Do you think everyone on the Dolphins hated him? They won 8 straight for the guy, the second Patricia was fired the media was filled with comments from disgruntled players, where has that been for Flores? Prior to the lawsuit that is.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Read through the complaint. Seems dumb.

Really? Paying to lose? Deciding on the guy you're hiring before satisfying the Rooney Rule? Not a good look dude. You can say you disagree with the rules, but this is a bad look, and even if Flores et al. doesn't win, the NFL is going to come down hard on all parties accused if there is even a sliver of evidence. And with those text messages, there is more than a sliver.

How is playing to lose racist? Its highly unprofessional but its not racist. If a white coach comes out and says he was paid to lose then what then? Deciding who you are going to hire before all the interviews are complete isn't racist either. Its just life and happens all the time.

I work for a large company. We opened a position in our department and knew someone who was the perfect fit and that's who we wanted, However HR made us go through the hiring process and gave us 5 candidates so we had to interview all 5. The person we wanted was the 1st interview and it went as expected. We knew he was our guy but we carried out the rest of the interviews bc HR told us. Those others had no shot. Is that racist or sexist? can't be too racist bc the person we opened up the position for is a minority.

The Rooney rule is designed to give minorities an opportunity. There are going to be many cases where a club already knows who they are going to hire before the interviews even take place. Heck when the Niners fired Chip Kelly after 1 year i bet Jed knew Kyle wanted to come here before he even fired Chip.

There just needs to be a better pipeline of minority coaches coming up. More candidates, more opportunities. You see more White coaches because they weren't as athletic and could concentrate on coaching sooner lol.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I think the point is being missed here by many, it's not about whether Flores should have been hired or fired.

It's about if Flores was white would the same thing have happened?

It's hard to quantify but you look around the landscape a strong case can be made that it wouldn't.

It then goes further, and many names have been brought up, and there are more, Jim Caldwell, Leslie Frazier, Vance Joseph, Kris Richard.

Imagine their careers as they are Vs equivalent white coaches.

That's the issue. That's why there's a lawsuit.

I'll bite.

Yes, I think Flores would have been fired if he was white because Ross is a dick that has had one-itis for Harbaugh for a decade and apparently believed that he had him in the bag. The moment Flores was fired, most people assumed it was with Miami making a run at Harbaugh.

I don't think it makes sense to argue that Ross was racist enough to fire Flores because he is Black but not racist enough to fire his Trent Baalke/Littlefinger like GM in Chris Grier.

https://www.miamidolphins.com/team/front-office-roster/chris-grier

It seems like a repeat of the 49ers and Harbaugh situation except with the few extra steps of Ross potentially violating NFL rules and federal laws when it comes to his alleged attempts to fix games while also apparently investing in a sports gambling company.

Originally posted by raywm3:
There just needs to be a better pipeline of minority coaches coming up. More candidates, more opportunities. You see more White coaches because they weren't as athletic and could concentrate on coaching sooner lol.

I've said it many times before.....if you want more Black head coaches, start developing more Black QB coaches. The NFL could go a long way by offering a training camp of sorts for young Black assistants in the NCAA and in the NFL on coaching the quarterback position. QB's are more important than ever before, anyone that is seen as having any sort of skill in developing QB's or helping them progress gets a whole lot more shine put on them.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
No one is ever hiring Matt Patricia to be a head coach again, anywhere. He made what Mangini did in Cleveland look like a minor hiccup. By the time he left, pretty much everyone in the Lions organization hated his guts, from top to bottom.

Yet he lasted the same amount of time as Flores.

Do you think everyone on the Dolphins hated him? They won 8 straight for the guy, the second Patricia was fired the media was filled with comments from disgruntled players, where has that been for Flores? Prior to the lawsuit that is.

Kenny Stills had some stuff to say about Flores and i think Tua did too.

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
I don't see how Flores DOESN'T win this case.

I'm not really sure the legal requirements. Rooney rule according to wikipedia is interview multiple minority candidates which the NY Giants did. But I guarantee wikipedia doesn't have all the nuance and detail of the actual rule. The Undefeated is reporting that conducting an interview with a decision already made is a violation of league rules. Still hard to say if the decision is already made. We are basing that on BB texts that say sounds like you landed. Hardly definitive. I continue to state that it is likely you will see Belichick having to testify as to how he was made aware of the Giants coaching hire decision and what exactly he was told and by whom. This of course if the league doesn't just swoop in and settle which they are likely scrambling to do now as we speak.