Brian Flores files discrimination lawsuit against Giants, Dolphins and the NFL.

There's just too many crappy white coaches that get waaay too many chances.

Gase???
Garrett???

There are sooo many more that get a chance to exhaust their time after it is obvious they are not good.

I'm curious about the Hue Jackson comments. If he got paid to tank, judging by his record he took the money. That makes him look bad. How do you talk about installing a winning culture and you getting paid extra to lose.

dude is dry snitching all over the media outlets and on Bleck History month no less.

Originally posted by raywm3:

Originally posted by lamontb:
15 black coaches hired out of the last 159 opportunities. And not one of them were rehired Art Shell and Herm edwards are the only black head coaches to ever get rehired as a HC in NFL history. I didn't know it was that bad

I always hear numbers like this when it comes to Race, whether it be the NFL or Corporate America. And I honestly think it's unfortunate, I really do. But I also think that minorities are also simply a victim of numbers. For example, 15 hires out of 159 opportunities. How many candidates were black and how many were white? Because at the end of the day, you can't just hire a person (regardless of race) because of their race. I'm sure there are many qualified minority candidates but vs how many white qualified candidates?

Good point. I forgot to put my numbers were since the rooney rule had been put in place. so that means there was a black interview for all 159 openings. And what we also can't factor in was how many of those interviews were actually legit, and not just a token interview. It's likely the real reason DR didn't go to the vikings. No point when we all know they hiring Harbaugh. I agree you just can't hire a guy b/c he's black. The lack of opportunities and how they are treated is the issue. There is a major issue when only 2 black coaches in NFL history have gotten a 2nd chance. Not a 3rd or 4th. Just a 2nd. Marvin Lewis can't even get a call and he was in the playoffs several years in a row. Yet Adam Gase got 2 HC jobs.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by raywm3:
There just needs to be a better pipeline of minority coaches coming up. More candidates, more opportunities. You see more White coaches because they weren't as athletic and could concentrate on coaching sooner lol.

I've said it many times before.....if you want more Black head coaches, start developing more Black QB coaches. The NFL could go a long way by offering a training camp of sorts for young Black assistants in the NCAA and in the NFL on coaching the quarterback position. QB's are more important than ever before, anyone that is seen as having any sort of skill in developing QB's or helping them progress gets a whole lot more shine put on them.

I think the current rules are very strong in compelling minorities to get these jobs. Look at us we have two minority OC and DC. We got picks from Saleh is my understanding and we keep filling these roles accordingly to get more picks. If the NFL was serious they would have Goodell step down and Colin Kaepernick would be commish.

Originally posted by Joecool:
There's just too many crappy white coaches that get waaay too many chances.

Gase???
Garrett???

There are sooo many more that get a chance to exhaust their time after it is obvious they are not good.

What if all of these crappy coaches were paid to tank this whole time?

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
What if all of these crappy coaches were paid to tank this whole time?

lol, nobody needed to pay that guy to tank.

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm curious about the Hue Jackson comments. If he got paid to tank, judging by his record he took the money. That makes him look bad. How do you talk about installing a winning culture and you getting paid extra to lose.

LOL if he's out there saying he got paid to tank he's just saying that to be like look ya'll I didn't suck that bad I was TRYING to lose

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
What if all of these crappy coaches were paid to tank this whole time?

lol, nobody needed to pay that guy to tank.

Yeah why hire Flores and pay him to tank when you can just hire this guy and tell him do your best

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant to anything and everything. EDIT — especially third hand anecdotal evidence.

I don't find it hard to believe considering how many people have had similar experiences with other Patriots assistants turned head coaches. They come in with a lot of hype and wind up pissing off pretty much everyone in the building. Eric Mangini, Bill O'Brien, Matt Patricia, and Joe Judge all had the same issues. Even Gym Shorts was a known dick and really he spent more time with Jeff Fisher than he did with Belichick.

I still think that if even half of what Flores is alleging against Ross is true then he was far from being the problem in that organization.

The evidence necessary would be corroborating evidence from other former members of the staff. Especially how ego driven and intense this profession is. Your own ego getting hurt will bias your perception, and so this alleged acquaintance may have been suffering from ego-driven bias. Or any number of factors rendering the third hand testimony useless.

Without corroborating evidence, it is nothing IMHO. No different than someone saying a friend knows a nurse who claims vaccines don't help because the nurse allegedly saw several vaccinated people in the ICU. It's testimony of someone else's testimony of someone else's testimony.

Evidence quality analogy aside, I find it very likely that there is someone on every team in the NFL who feels the same way about their former employer. Which to me makes it even less relevant without the aforementioned corroborating evidence from the Dolphins, rather than an extrapolation based mostly on Josh McDaniels failed trip to Denver or Patricia in Detroit. In particular, being from the Patriots at one point isn't the only thing they all shared: they also shared being hired by s**tty teams, and two of them had atrocious ownership and management (and the Broncos weren't much better). In fact, bad teams and bad ownership tends to correlate quite well with bad relationships among coaching staffs and players. Such as the Browns. They had some nice infighting before Jackson was fired.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I have a good friend who played NFL and knows a current coach (played college ball together )on Dolphins . That coach said it was the worst year of football of his life and Flores was a piece of s**t to everyone (staff and management ) .

Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant to anything and everything. EDIT — especially third hand anecdotal evidence.

Look through the thread , I am pro Flores based on what he did with Miami . But the firing sounds like a Harbaugh situation except his own staff didn't care for him (unlike Harbaugh)

See above. Without corroborating evidence from people directly involved, it's nothing but he said/she said. And given how ego driven and intense this business is, it's very likely someone on every team is going to have a similar sentiment.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Kris Richard is a big one for me, Seahawks Legion of Boom got Gus Bradley and Dan Quinn Head Coaching jobs, and then DC jobs when they failed as Head Coaches.

Not only did Richard barely get an interview, he hasn't even been able to get another DC job.

Matt Patricia has now had the exactly the same tenure as Flores and probably future job prospects.

The success level is nowhere the same, Patricia took a winning team (from a winning black coach I might add) and turned them into a dumpster fire. Flores turned a dumpster fire into a winning team.

Richard his defense went from 1 to 13 over 3 years. Defense tends to age worse than offense, and perhaps he was a victim of that instead of coaching ability. Quinn and Bradley became head coaches when they were hot. Unfortunately, Richard is trending the wrong way. He was part of bad defenses in Dallas. If he was a white guy he probably would have gotten a job after his first year as Seattles DC when they ranked #1.

Originally posted by jcs:


Interesting conversation on the topic

One of the comments had an interesting point: since the majority of NFL players are Black, the majority of guys with failed NFL dreams are White. And the coaching pool is almost entirely guys with failed NFL player dreams. So that could very well be the source of the disparity.

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm curious about the Hue Jackson comments. If he got paid to tank, judging by his record he took the money. That makes him look bad. How do you talk about installing a winning culture and you getting paid extra to lose.

I'm more curious about his claiming he can prove it. Like go on Hue, we all listening baby.... show and tell time.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm curious about the Hue Jackson comments. If he got paid to tank, judging by his record he took the money. That makes him look bad. How do you talk about installing a winning culture and you getting paid extra to lose.

I'm more curious about his claiming he can prove it. Like go on Hue, we all listening baby.... show and tell time.

How great would it be if he had bank statement every week he lost with a 100k getting deposited

Originally posted by evil:
I'm more curious about his claiming he can prove it. Like go on Hue, we all listening baby.... show and tell time.

This. If its true and he can prove it, then Cleveland ownership needs to go, and Hue will never coach at any level again because any coach that accepted money to try and throw games is pathetic.