Brian Flores files discrimination lawsuit against Giants, Dolphins and the NFL.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by evil:
I'm more curious about his claiming he can prove it. Like go on Hue, we all listening baby.... show and tell time.

This. If its true and he can prove it, then Cleveland ownership needs to go, and Hue will never coach at any level again because any coach that accepted money to try and throw games is pathetic.

Yeah he could be incarcerated. I mean people wagered money on those games. People bought tickets to see those games. It would be a crime.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Read through the complaint. Seems dumb.

Really? Paying to lose? Deciding on the guy you're hiring before satisfying the Rooney Rule? Not a good look dude. You can say you disagree with the rules, but this is a bad look, and even if Flores et al. doesn't win, the NFL is going to come down hard on all parties accused if there is even a sliver of evidence. And with those text messages, there is more than a sliver.

How is playing to lose racist? Its highly unprofessional but its not racist. If a white coach comes out and says he was paid to lose then what then? Deciding who you are going to hire before all the interviews are complete isn't racist either. Its just life and happens all the time.

I work for a large company. We opened a position in our department and knew someone who was the perfect fit and that's who we wanted, However HR made us go through the hiring process and gave us 5 candidates so we had to interview all 5. The person we wanted was the 1st interview and it went as expected. We knew he was our guy but we carried out the rest of the interviews bc HR told us. Those others had no shot. Is that racist or sexist? can't be too racist bc the person we opened up the position for is a minority.

The Rooney rule is designed to give minorities an opportunity. There are going to be many cases where a club already knows who they are going to hire before the interviews even take place. Heck when the Niners fired Chip Kelly after 1 year i bet Jed knew Kyle wanted to come here before he even fired Chip.

The lawsuit is more than about racial discrimination, if I understand it correctly.

Now, if there are two instances of paying the GM to lose, and in both cases the coaches are Black (which appears to be the case), it does indeed smack of something potentially racist.

Regarding knowing who you're hiring before interviewing your required minority candidates, it could be related to racism and it could not be. However, one undeniable problem here is that the teams circumvented the rule. Whether or not that is deemed actionable by a judge, the NFL is still going to come down hard on those teams.

Your analogy with your company, by the way, is not a one-to-one comparison, because as you said yourself, "person we opened up the position for is a minority." So yeah your entire paragraph of your personal experience is thus completely irrelevant.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by evil:
I'm more curious about his claiming he can prove it. Like go on Hue, we all listening baby.... show and tell time.

This. If its true and he can prove it, then Cleveland ownership needs to go, and Hue will never coach at any level again because any coach that accepted money to try and throw games is pathetic.

Right now one team is for sale. Soon that number can jump to 3 or higher if more allegations that can be supported by evidence come out....unprecedented times ahead

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by raywm3:
There just needs to be a better pipeline of minority coaches coming up. More candidates, more opportunities. You see more White coaches because they weren't as athletic and could concentrate on coaching sooner lol.

I've said it many times before.....if you want more Black head coaches, start developing more Black QB coaches. The NFL could go a long way by offering a training camp of sorts for young Black assistants in the NCAA and in the NFL on coaching the quarterback position. QB's are more important than ever before, anyone that is seen as having any sort of skill in developing QB's or helping them progress gets a whole lot more shine put on them.

I think the current rules are very strong in compelling minorities to get these jobs. Look at us we have two minority OC and DC. We got picks from Saleh is my understanding and we keep filling these roles accordingly to get more picks. If the NFL was serious they would have Goodell step down and Colin Kaepernick would be commish.

Colin The Clown as commish? His first act would probably be trying to force the Dolphins to relocate to Cuba....

Originally posted by evil:
Right now one team is for sale. Soon that number can jump to 3 or higher if more allegations that can be supported by evidence come out....unprecedented times ahead

Webzone should get in on this. I got the first $500! All 5th and 6th round draft picks would be traded each year to the 49ers.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by evil:
I'm more curious about his claiming he can prove it. Like go on Hue, we all listening baby.... show and tell time.

This. If its true and he can prove it, then Cleveland ownership needs to go, and Hue will never coach at any level again because any coach that accepted money to try and throw games is pathetic.

Right now one team is for sale. Soon that number can jump to 3 or higher if more allegations that can be supported by evidence come out....unprecedented times ahead

Removing an Owner sounds pretty difficult, especially when you consider that the only guy outside of ownership that can propose to remove an owner is the Commissioner whom himself is an employee of the owners.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/dan-snyder-news-can-nfl-owner-be-forced-to-sell-team/65-37099b6a-5901-441c-8887-5b273e4b5525

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by evil:
I'm more curious about his claiming he can prove it. Like go on Hue, we all listening baby.... show and tell time.

This. If its true and he can prove it, then Cleveland ownership needs to go, and Hue will never coach at any level again because any coach that accepted money to try and throw games is pathetic.

Right now one team is for sale. Soon that number can jump to 3 or higher if more allegations that can be supported by evidence come out....unprecedented times ahead

Removing an Owner sounds pretty difficult, especially when you consider that the only guy outside of ownership that can propose to remove an owner is the Commissioner whom himself is an employee of the owners.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/dan-snyder-news-can-nfl-owner-be-forced-to-sell-team/65-37099b6a-5901-441c-8887-5b273e4b5525

Yeah even if these owners get tossed they will hand it off to their friends/family. Think Eddie D getting booted and John York taking over.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The lawsuit is more than about racial discrimination, if I understand it correctly.

Now, if there are two instances of paying the GM to lose, and in both cases the coaches are Black (which appears to be the case), it does indeed smack of something potentially racist.

Regarding knowing who you're hiring before interviewing your required minority candidates, it could be related to racism and it could not be. However, one undeniable problem here is that the teams circumvented the rule. Whether or not that is deemed actionable by a judge, the NFL is still going to come down hard on those teams.

Your analogy with your company, by the way, is not a one-to-one comparison, because as you said yourself, "person we opened up the position for is a minority." So yeah your entire paragraph of your personal experience is thus completely irrelevant.

Hmm kinda sounds like everything is potentially racist to you.

How is paying to lose racist? I know you will come up with something so please enlighten me.

So in my analogy if we hired a non minority then it would be racist? Got it.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The lawsuit is more than about racial discrimination, if I understand it correctly.

Now, if there are two instances of paying the GM to lose, and in both cases the coaches are Black (which appears to be the case), it does indeed smack of something potentially racist.

Regarding knowing who you're hiring before interviewing your required minority candidates, it could be related to racism and it could not be. However, one undeniable problem here is that the teams circumvented the rule. Whether or not that is deemed actionable by a judge, the NFL is still going to come down hard on those teams.

Your analogy with your company, by the way, is not a one-to-one comparison, because as you said yourself, "person we opened up the position for is a minority." So yeah your entire paragraph of your personal experience is thus completely irrelevant.

Hmm kinda sounds like everything is potentially racist to you.

How is paying to lose racist? I know you will come up with something so please enlighten me.

So in my analogy if we hired a non minority then it would be racist? Got it.

I think you are misreading the whole situation. The allegations of racism are not really vs Miami so ignore Ross and pay to lose which is tanking that's a different thing. It more involves the Giants who hired Daboll. The allegation is they made the decision to hire Daboll yet conducted an alleged sham interview with Flores. Flores was tipped off several days prior to his interview that they are hiring Daboll by BB who by his own words effed this up.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by evil:
I'm more curious about his claiming he can prove it. Like go on Hue, we all listening baby.... show and tell time.

This. If its true and he can prove it, then Cleveland ownership needs to go, and Hue will never coach at any level again because any coach that accepted money to try and throw games is pathetic.

Right now one team is for sale. Soon that number can jump to 3 or higher if more allegations that can be supported by evidence come out....unprecedented times ahead

Removing an Owner sounds pretty difficult, especially when you consider that the only guy outside of ownership that can propose to remove an owner is the Commissioner whom himself is an employee of the owners.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/dan-snyder-news-can-nfl-owner-be-forced-to-sell-team/65-37099b6a-5901-441c-8887-5b273e4b5525

Pretty sure this would be step one given the negative impact it would have on the league :

Verify researchers found a copy of the bylaws on Penn State Law's website. Article 8 states the NFL Commissioner can suspend, fine, or cancel a contract with any owner, shareholder, or partner "who has been or is guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the League or professional football."

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The lawsuit is more than about racial discrimination, if I understand it correctly.

Now, if there are two instances of paying the GM to lose, and in both cases the coaches are Black (which appears to be the case), it does indeed smack of something potentially racist.

Regarding knowing who you're hiring before interviewing your required minority candidates, it could be related to racism and it could not be. However, one undeniable problem here is that the teams circumvented the rule. Whether or not that is deemed actionable by a judge, the NFL is still going to come down hard on those teams.

Your analogy with your company, by the way, is not a one-to-one comparison, because as you said yourself, "person we opened up the position for is a minority." So yeah your entire paragraph of your personal experience is thus completely irrelevant.

Hmm kinda sounds like everything is potentially racist to you.

Interesting how you logically jump from this single issue to "everything." I'm not surprised.

How is paying to lose racist? I know you will come up with something so please enlighten me.

I already explained that. If the only two GMs being paid to lose also have Black coaches, it ought to get the question rolling in the head to any reasonable person who is also at least a novice in basic logic. Could it be a coincidence? Sure. Could it be related to killing two birds with one stone (tanking and getting rid of the Black guy you regret hiring)? Yes. It logically could.

We must await the EVIDENCE before deciding what is likely among the possibilities, rather than resolutely stating as a matter of principle that no racial element exists.

So in my analogy if we hired a non minority then it would be racist? Got it.

No. You are failing to grasp the logical difference from what is alleged in this case and your company. The subtlety is escaping you. The two situations are not logically equivalent because they are not identical. Your company didn't circumvent a diversity program, and even in the case here with the Giants, we don't know to what degree race played a role.

I will try to be kind here: think harder. Think more meticulously. Think more systematically. And take a course on logic.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The lawsuit is more than about racial discrimination, if I understand it correctly.

Now, if there are two instances of paying the GM to lose, and in both cases the coaches are Black (which appears to be the case), it does indeed smack of something potentially racist.

Regarding knowing who you're hiring before interviewing your required minority candidates, it could be related to racism and it could not be. However, one undeniable problem here is that the teams circumvented the rule. Whether or not that is deemed actionable by a judge, the NFL is still going to come down hard on those teams.

Your analogy with your company, by the way, is not a one-to-one comparison, because as you said yourself, "person we opened up the position for is a minority." So yeah your entire paragraph of your personal experience is thus completely irrelevant.

Hmm kinda sounds like everything is potentially racist to you.

How is paying to lose racist? I know you will come up with something so please enlighten me.

So in my analogy if we hired a non minority then it would be racist? Got it.

I think you are misreading the whole situation. The allegations of racism are not really vs Miami so ignore Ross and pay to lose which is tanking that's a different thing. It more involves the Giants who hired Daboll. The allegation is they made the decision to hire Daboll yet conducted an alleged sham interview with Flores. Flores was tipped off several days prior to his interview that they are hiring Daboll by BB who by his own words effed this up.

I get that but again how is that racist? The Giants just hired a Bills assistant to be their GM. That job had Daboll written all over it. They also interviewed other minorities. I guess they should have stopped at one?

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by evil:
I'm more curious about his claiming he can prove it. Like go on Hue, we all listening baby.... show and tell time.

This. If its true and he can prove it, then Cleveland ownership needs to go, and Hue will never coach at any level again because any coach that accepted money to try and throw games is pathetic.

Right now one team is for sale. Soon that number can jump to 3 or higher if more allegations that can be supported by evidence come out....unprecedented times ahead

Removing an Owner sounds pretty difficult, especially when you consider that the only guy outside of ownership that can propose to remove an owner is the Commissioner whom himself is an employee of the owners.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/dan-snyder-news-can-nfl-owner-be-forced-to-sell-team/65-37099b6a-5901-441c-8887-5b273e4b5525

Pretty sure this would be step one given the negative impact it would have on the league :

Verify researchers found a copy of the bylaws on Penn State Law's website. Article 8 states the NFL Commissioner can suspend, fine, or cancel a contract with any owner, shareholder, or partner "who has been or is guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the League or professional football."

I get the fact the article exists but the commissioner is still an employee of the owners. Just look at the investigation that went into the WFT and how J.Gruden a coach of another team was the one that got punished...what about Snyder?

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The lawsuit is more than about racial discrimination, if I understand it correctly.

Now, if there are two instances of paying the GM to lose, and in both cases the coaches are Black (which appears to be the case), it does indeed smack of something potentially racist.

Regarding knowing who you're hiring before interviewing your required minority candidates, it could be related to racism and it could not be. However, one undeniable problem here is that the teams circumvented the rule. Whether or not that is deemed actionable by a judge, the NFL is still going to come down hard on those teams.

Your analogy with your company, by the way, is not a one-to-one comparison, because as you said yourself, "person we opened up the position for is a minority." So yeah your entire paragraph of your personal experience is thus completely irrelevant.

Hmm kinda sounds like everything is potentially racist to you.

How is paying to lose racist? I know you will come up with something so please enlighten me.

So in my analogy if we hired a non minority then it would be racist? Got it.

I think you are misreading the whole situation. The allegations of racism are not really vs Miami so ignore Ross and pay to lose which is tanking that's a different thing. It more involves the Giants who hired Daboll. The allegation is they made the decision to hire Daboll yet conducted an alleged sham interview with Flores. Flores was tipped off several days prior to his interview that they are hiring Daboll by BB who by his own words effed this up.

I get that but again how is that racist? The Giants just hired a Bills assistant to be their GM. That job had Daboll written all over it. They also interviewed other minorities. I guess they should have stopped at one?

Sigh. Can you not imagine a situation — a particular set of circumstances — in which it would be motivated by racial preference or discrimination?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Hmm kinda sounds like everything is potentially racist to you.

Interesting how you logically jump from this single issue to "everything." I'm not surprised.

How is paying to lose racist? I know you will come up with something so please enlighten me.

I already explained that. If the only two GMs being paid to lose also have Black coaches, it ought to get the question rolling in the head to any reasonable person who is also at least a novice in basic logic. Could it be a coincidence? Sure. Could it be related to killing two birds with one stone (tanking and getting rid of the Black guy you regret hiring)? Yes. It logically could.

We must await the EVIDENCE before deciding what is likely among the possibilities, rather than resolutely stating as a matter of principle that no racial element exists.

So in my analogy if we hired a non minority then it would be racist? Got it.

No. You are failing to grasp the logical difference from what is alleged in this case and your company. The subtlety is escaping you. The two situations are not logically equivalent because they are not identical. Your company didn't circumvent a diversity program, and even in the case here with the Giants, we don't know to what degree race played a role.

I will try to be kind here: think harder. Think more meticulously. Think more systematically. And take a course on logiic

Yeah you right, nothing is just a coincidence, it's racist!!!