Brian Flores files discrimination lawsuit against Giants, Dolphins and the NFL.

Anyone off hand know the breakdown of race for head coaches in the NBA?

I believe the players represent at least 90% black?

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Anyone off hand know the breakdown of race for head coaches in the NBA?

I believe the players represent at least 90% black?

About a dozen black coaches, a couple minority coaches as well.

Originally posted by jreff22:
At 7 am? Lol

who hasn't woken up still buzzed from the night before?

eye opener anyone?

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Isn't it the way it works? It's easy to pull a race card all the time it seems.

Here is an example. I am a hiring manager for a small department at my company. We are currently a start-up that is now ready to move into an IPO very soon.
I had an employee that left in December. An employee I inherited when I moved to the company.

I have a former employee who worked for me for 8 years at my last company. I am recruiting her bigtime and she is awesome and I want her.

Although I have pretty much made up mind I am required by HR to go thru a series of interviews to meet certain laws. So although nothing will stop me from going after Erika I will set up a series of interviews per HR requirements. This is at almost any company you go to. Even if you have a candidate in mind you must go thru a series of interviews.

This process is no different than the NFL. You typically like to hire a candidate with a proven track record and you have had visibility with your own eyes. Erika never received a lower performance rating below excellent. But I will set up a series of at least four interviews to satisfy company requirements. What happens in the NFL happens everyday at your own places of employment.

Does this make me a horrible manager or the company a horrible place to work? I think not.

It doesn't, it really doesn't.

Though you have personal experience with her, which could outweigh another candidate killing an interview.

What if you were just working from the recommendation of a fellow manager? What if you ignored a more qualified or better candidate?

What if you held onto Erika despite a long run of poor performance, you then replaced her and gave the next candidate a much shorter leash.
What if you then recommended Erika to a buddy of yours to give her a second chance, but bad mouthed her replacement.

Also, as a heads up, it's a really bad look to claim someone "is playing the race card"

Ross was right. They should've tanked.

Originally posted by dhp318:
Ross was right. They should've tanked.

Flores was right they should've taken Herbert.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I think the point is being missed here by many, it's not about whether Flores should have been hired or fired.

It's about if Flores was white would the same thing have happened?

It's hard to quantify but you look around the landscape a strong case can be made that it wouldn't.

It then goes further, and many names have been brought up, and there are more, Jim Caldwell, Leslie Frazier, Vance Joseph, Kris Richard.

Imagine their careers as they are Vs equivalent white coaches.

That's the issue. That's why there's a lawsuit.

I'll bite.

Yes, I think Flores would have been fired if he was white because Ross is a dick that has had one-itis for Harbaugh for a decade and apparently believed that he had him in the bag. The moment Flores was fired, most people assumed it was with Miami making a run at Harbaugh.

I don't think it makes sense to argue that Ross was racist enough to fire Flores because he is Black but not racist enough to fire his Trent Baalke/Littlefinger like GM in Chris Grier.

https://www.miamidolphins.com/team/front-office-roster/chris-grier

It seems like a repeat of the 49ers and Harbaugh situation except with the few extra steps of Ross potentially violating NFL rules and federal laws when it comes to his alleged attempts to fix games while also apparently investing in a sports gambling company.

Bite at what? I wasn't fishing.

The Grier/Flores power struggle is one possible reason for the firing, to claim it as a fact is either foolish, naive or worse.

The first statement from the Dolphins stated that they felt "they had a young talented team, that hadn't reached it's potential".

I honestly feel that the list of candidates that could have taken that tanking Dolphins team in his first year, that looked like a JuCo team Vs the Ravens, to a respectable record and then follow it up with a 10-6 and 9-7 to be very short.

Imagine a white coach did that, regardless of their personality I highly doubt they get fired, and if they do they'd be hired extremely quickly.

To claim otherwise is again, at best, naive

Originally posted by dhp318:
Ross was right. They should've tanked.

Tanking is illegal and if demonstrated he will lose his ownership of the club. It goes against every fiber of what it means to be in the NFL and an American. Our founding fathers didn't die face down in the mud so that this lil strumpet could come along and tank. No man I'm from the old school. Cannot play with em. Cannot coach with em. Cannot tank with em. Can't do it. I WANT WINNERS.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by LB49ers:
I will say again when over 70% of your labor force is African American and you only have one African American head coach that speaks pretty loudly of what you think of them.

Why are you limiting the labor force to players? Do coaches not count too?

I'm curious what is the racial make up of all head coaches, coordinators, position coaches, assistant coaches, etc. etc.

Is it still 70%? Honest question.

If it was, ok you may have a point. If not, then it's reaching.

Coaching and playing are two different professions altogether. If you want to go down the former player route, for every Harbaugh and Rivera you have a Singletary and Dan Campbell. That's just players. Most of the legendary coaches of the game weren't former NFL players. Maybe at most college players.

One should look at the breakdown of race for college players and coaches.......I'm pretty sure that 70% will drop a bit for the players.....possibly below 50%, maybe lower. Coaches might be lower than that too.

If I were to go out on a limb, my guess is as you go from pee wee to high school to college to NFL your white players go down while your black players go up (by percentage). White coaches increase at each stop, because they didn't make it as players.

I think the issue is more complicated than we think. I had a black friend tell me yesterday "owners are comfortable with people who look like them, act like them"....

Ok assuming that's true, then maybe it's just a preference and not actual RACISM??

Racism used to be Jim Crow, back of the bus, different bathrooms, etc. Now it's anything that isn't deferential......

If I wanted to be a big shot at BET as a non person of color, do I have a right to get it if those don't want me there assuming I'm qualified?

People would probably laugh it off, but it's the exact same thing.

End of the day, unless you're that outed racist owner of the Clippers (?), you go with who really think would win. Even that guy probably would be ok with a black coach.

Whatever, LOL....

Just to answer a couple of the questions. 35-40% of assistant coaches in the NFL are African American. And 60% of college football players are AA. So again 1 AA head coach in the NFL looks suspect. With those numbers it would seem that AA are not given the same chances as White coaches. Also they owners seem to be very comfortable having them play for them just not in positions of authority

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dhp318:
Ross was right. They should've tanked.

Tanking is illegal and if demonstrated he will lose his ownership of the club. It goes against every fiber of what it means to be in the NFL and an American. Our founding fathers didn't die face down in the mud so that this lil strumpet could come along and tank. No man I'm from the old school. Cannot play with em. Cannot coach with em. Cannot tank with em. Can't do it. I WANT WINNERS.

This

It will be really interesting to see what happens if this is true. If I had to bet I would say he would be forced to sell.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Isn't it the way it works? It's easy to pull a race card all the time it seems.

Here is an example. I am a hiring manager for a small department at my company. We are currently a start-up that is now ready to move into an IPO very soon.
I had an employee that left in December. An employee I inherited when I moved to the company.

I have a former employee who worked for me for 8 years at my last company. I am recruiting her bigtime and she is awesome and I want her.

Although I have pretty much made up mind I am required by HR to go thru a series of interviews to meet certain laws. So although nothing will stop me from going after Erika I will set up a series of interviews per HR requirements. This is at almost any company you go to. Even if you have a candidate in mind you must go thru a series of interviews.

This process is no different than the NFL. You typically like to hire a candidate with a proven track record and you have had visibility with your own eyes. Erika never received a lower performance rating below excellent. But I will set up a series of at least four interviews to satisfy company requirements. What happens in the NFL happens everyday at your own places of employment.

Does this make me a horrible manager or the company a horrible place to work? I think not.

These examples aren't relevant. For one, the NFL has optics it needs to deal with. It also has particular rules regarding this sort of thing. Lastly, the issue of race is tied to those rules, which exasperates a situation where a team gives out sham interviews.

Even if Flores loses, the NFL is probably going to nail the Giants, and maybe even the Broncos.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Isn't it the way it works? It's easy to pull a race card all the time it seems.

Here is an example. I am a hiring manager for a small department at my company. We are currently a start-up that is now ready to move into an IPO very soon.
I had an employee that left in December. An employee I inherited when I moved to the company.

I have a former employee who worked for me for 8 years at my last company. I am recruiting her bigtime and she is awesome and I want her.

Although I have pretty much made up mind I am required by HR to go thru a series of interviews to meet certain laws. So although nothing will stop me from going after Erika I will set up a series of interviews per HR requirements. This is at almost any company you go to. Even if you have a candidate in mind you must go thru a series of interviews.

This process is no different than the NFL. You typically like to hire a candidate with a proven track record and you have had visibility with your own eyes. Erika never received a lower performance rating below excellent. But I will set up a series of at least four interviews to satisfy company requirements. What happens in the NFL happens everyday at your own places of employment.

Does this make me a horrible manager or the company a horrible place to work? I think not.

These examples aren't relevant. For one, the NFL has optics it needs to deal with. It also has particular rules regarding this sort of thing. Lastly, the issue of race is tied to those rules, which exasperates a situation where a team gives out sham interviews.

Even if Flores loses, the NFL is probably going to nail the Giants, and maybe even the Broncos.

Goodell Gotta GO

say it with me now

Goodell Gotta GO

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
These examples aren't relevant. For one, the NFL has optics it needs to deal with. It also has particular rules regarding this sort of thing. Lastly, the issue of race is tied to those rules, which exasperates a situation where a team gives out sham interviews.

Even if Flores loses, the NFL is probably going to nail the Giants, and maybe even the Broncos.

This is completly wrong. The NFL is no more or less a business than Google, Apple or Mom and Pops ice cream parlor. The same general rules apply.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Anyone off hand know the breakdown of race for head coaches in the NBA?

I believe the players represent at least 90% black?

And why is it limited to HC. What about assistants, assistant coaches etc. I think the number is fairly high in this area. (in the NFL)

Hard one. These rules / laws might make some minorities seen that weren't before but it's silly to say I want a black coach! I must have him because he is black! But if you dont mandate it perhaps they will continue to overlook the qualified black coaches.

coach Flores felt strongly enough that he threw his career away. In the end no one knows what is the right thing to do.

you open a whole new can of worms with this. What about Asian / Hispanic coaches. Are they gonna be included too? The world is confusing