Brian Flores files discrimination lawsuit against Giants, Dolphins and the NFL.

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Isn't it the way it works? It's easy to pull a race card all the time it seems.

Here is an example. I am a hiring manager for a small department at my company. We are currently a start-up that is now ready to move into an IPO very soon.
I had an employee that left in December. An employee I inherited when I moved to the company.

I have a former employee who worked for me for 8 years at my last company. I am recruiting her bigtime and she is awesome and I want her.

Although I have pretty much made up mind I am required by HR to go thru a series of interviews to meet certain laws. So although nothing will stop me from going after Erika I will set up a series of interviews per HR requirements. This is at almost any company you go to. Even if you have a candidate in mind you must go thru a series of interviews.

This process is no different than the NFL. You typically like to hire a candidate with a proven track record and you have had visibility with your own eyes. Erika never received a lower performance rating below excellent. But I will set up a series of at least four interviews to satisfy company requirements. What happens in the NFL happens everyday at your own places of employment.

Does this make me a horrible manager or the company a horrible place to work? I think not.

It doesn't, it really doesn't.

Though you have personal experience with her, which could outweigh another candidate killing an interview.

What if you were just working from the recommendation of a fellow manager? What if you ignored a more qualified or better candidate?

What if you held onto Erika despite a long run of poor performance, you then replaced her and gave the next candidate a much shorter leash.
What if you then recommended Erika to a buddy of yours to give her a second chance, but bad mouthed her replacement.

Also, as a heads up, it's a really bad look to claim someone "is playing the race card"

Do you know what else is a really bad look? Playing the race card. I am curious why pointing out someone doing it, seems to be worse to you than the actually doing it.

People like Colin Kaepernick that fake and manufacture "issues", actually take away from real people that are experiencing legitimate racism. It's kind of like the boy who cried wolf, except it is affecting others, not themselves. I'm not sure if the Flores situation will end up being the same, but it certainly has a similar feel to it.

Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
"Fake" issues? Kap was protesting police brutality against Black people, and a few years later we have several more national incidents, along with the Chauvin incident. "Fake…" He was proven unequivocally right, thank you very much.

He was proven right only that it could happen. Not sure anyone ever denied that.

But I think the inference from him was that it was some sort of pandemic that is happening non stop.

The statistics tell a different story, but the mainstream media will definitely back up Kap's narrative (and other typical liberal narratives).

The only thing I do believe is legit and real is that DWB (driving while black) is a thing hearing it from enough black people I know, where you will at least get stopped/checked out more often than you should. Stops can be more tense than they should.

That final piece of brutality typically requires an unfortunate encounter between aggressive cop and somewhat resistant motorist. It's not right, but just how it is.

Lastly people mistake police as a whole as racist when in actuality they are just power hungry by nature, particularly in the US. People forget it's always been an "us vs them" thing. When they make mistakes, they do everything they can to protect their own. So while I'm sure the dept was livid at Chauvin for the incident, they were doing everything on the surface to shield him.

Anyway, back on topic.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

What if by not moving on Daboll you risk losing him?

I'm not saying that was the case exactly, but what if the Giants were at risk waiting around.

If it was just pure excitement to announce it, that's one thing, but to put their future at risk because of this Rooney Rule is ridiculous.

The league needs to convert the RR to create more opportunities at the lower ranks for black coaches. Increase the pool, don't try to tamper with the HC selection process.

Also from a statistical standpoint, if there are only 5 or so vacancies a year, hard to boost the number.

This is a touchy subject because on one hand you of course want to see success of minorities, but in an entertainment business where you do draw the line in trying to establish "equality"? At what point is it necessary for a non essential part of society to be given this much attention?

The business has shown that it has no qualms whatsoever for the meritocracy on the field. If there was a way to "prove" who was better as a head coach in advance of them actually coaching the games, then it would be the race makeup it needed to be, 100%.

Hard to prove anything really, and the whole thing is very complicated. Unless you were in those board rooms yourself with the owners, you can't be sure what's happening.

Kaps again?Have we been cursed by this dude?The issues are real, Kap is a fake.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

Originally posted by scottym:
Kaps again?Have we been cursed by this dude?The issues are real, Kap is a fake.

Yup, can't stand him.

The parallels between him and Flores are there on some level at least with respect to timing, both "losing a job" , etc.

Although I think Flores probably has some merit, whereas Kap came off like a petulant child who didn't get his way. If he had a more successful career with SF, or went to Denver, I doubt he would've been known for what he ultimately became known for.

Flores' issue it seems after reading the long document, is going over the top on accusations and trying to draw parallels to things. Instead of 55 pages, could've been done in like 15.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

What if by not moving on Daboll you risk losing him?

I'm not saying that was the case exactly, but what if the Giants were at risk waiting around.

If it was just pure excitement to announce it, that's one thing, but to put their future at risk because of this Rooney Rule is ridiculous.

The league needs to convert the RR to create more opportunities at the lower ranks for black coaches. Increase the pool, don't try to tamper with the HC selection process.

Also from a statistical standpoint, if there are only 5 or so vacancies a year, hard to boost the number.

This is a touchy subject because on one hand you of course want to see success of minorities, but in an entertainment business where you do draw the line in trying to establish "equality"? At what point is it necessary for a non essential part of society to be given this much attention?

The business has shown that it has no qualms whatsoever for the meritocracy on the field. If there was a way to "prove" who was better as a head coach in advance of them actually coaching the games, then it would be the race makeup it needed to be, 100%.

Hard to prove anything really, and the whole thing is very complicated. Unless you were in those board rooms yourself with the owners, you can't be sure what's happening.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

What if by not moving on Daboll you risk losing him?

I'm not saying that was the case exactly, but what if the Giants were at risk waiting around.

If it was just pure excitement to announce it, that's one thing, but to put their future at risk because of this Rooney Rule is ridiculous.

The league needs to convert the RR to create more opportunities at the lower ranks for black coaches. Increase the pool, don't try to tamper with the HC selection process.

Also from a statistical standpoint, if there are only 5 or so vacancies a year, hard to boost the number.

This is a touchy subject because on one hand you of course want to see success of minorities, but in an entertainment business where you do draw the line in trying to establish "equality"? At what point is it necessary for a non essential part of society to be given this much attention?

The business has shown that it has no qualms whatsoever for the meritocracy on the field. If there was a way to "prove" who was better as a head coach in advance of them actually coaching the games, then it would be the race makeup it needed to be, 100%.

Hard to prove anything really, and the whole thing is very complicated. Unless you were in those board rooms yourself with the owners, you can't be sure what's happening.

If they were already locked into Daboll then their process is flawed, Flores was available to be spoken to before Daboll, is a New York native and is more successful than any coach they have hired since Coughlin.

The rule is simple interview and consider 2 minority candidates for every Head Coach and now GM position.

Choose who you want to, but by complying with the rule you are opening yourselves up to consider more people, which is a good thing, if you do it properly.

There just needs to be more transparency, and maybe it would be easier to prove wrong doing.

The Belicheck texts are pretty damning evidence though.

IMO no self respecting player or coach would willingly tank.

Play the game the way it is meant to be played, with honesty and integrity, or don't play at all.

Originally posted by evil:
IMO no self respecting player or coach would willingly tank.

Play the game the way it is meant to be played, with honesty and integrity, or don't play at all.

a ton of parity in the league this season. no clear cut front runner...i mean the usual teams that are always in it, but they played plenty of trash ball.

i wonder if a lack of quality QB in this year's draft played a role in no teams trying to pull off the ultra tank--even the jags, lions, and texans beat contenders in the season...lions fought like hell in a bunch of their games, too.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Rascal:
LOL. Fans don't care about that. If the roster sucks, fans want draft picks, they want infusion of studs and star players so that eventually the team can win and win big. Scrapping to win 1 or 2 more games in a hopeless season so that you will lose the No.1 overall pick for example is pure stupidity.

On a slightly different topic, I will also tell you what else is stupid, not taking a franchise QB when you have the pick makes zero sense. Just look at what ended up happening with the 9ers, so Kyle wasn't interested in mobile QBs such as Mahomes back in 2017, he then decided to proceed to work on the rest of the roster. In the end, the 9ers had to give up 3 x 1st and 1 x 3rd to get that franchise QB. That is simply senseless. Honestly? Kyle might have indirectly tanked by doing so. If Belichick didn't call him and offered Jimmy on a silver platter, we absolutely would have been at the basement for a few more years at the very least.

this is some epic monday morning GMing. a bunch of teams passed on Mahomes. he wasnt the sure thing everyone now claims he was leading up to the draft.

it's time for fans like you to move on OR...

build a time machine, get hired into the Niners FO and make your argument to draft Mahomes.

A bunch of teams? How did you work that out? The Bears fxxked up by taking Trubisky, that's about it apart from 9ers not taking Mahomes. Mahomes went at 10 and Deshaun Watson went at 12. So, 2 teams missed and the 9ers was one of them, that's all you need to know.

The point is not just about missing on Mahomes, but the fact that he didn't draft a QB when he had the pick. Then, 4 years down the road, the 9ers had to suffer by totally selling the farm with 3 x 1st and 1 x 3rd to draft Trey Lance. You better hope and pray Lance doesn't bust.

One can argue the following teams a needed a QB (as none had a FQB) and could have taken one where they sat or traded to get into position :

Cleveland
Chicago
SF
Jax
NYJ
Buffalo
AZ
Washington

These teams all had QBs who were getting long in the tooth. And in the case of the Saints, Payton said it was the best workout he had ever seen. Could have had the future sit behind Brees for a year or two before allowing Brees to move on if he wasn't ready to retire.

LAC
NYG
NO

And not everyone believes in the philosophy of drafting a QB just to draft one. I prefer the strategy of drafting players you love and believe can develop into a player at the next level not a player you aren't fully sold on.

I truly hope his suit gets certified as a Class Action, and Brian Flores wins. Actually, I hope this thing gets the ball rolling on some sort of discussion regarding some type legislation that will better govern NFL owners. This is one thing about the NFL (among others) that owners need to be forced to change. The NFL is perhaps THE best product on the planet. Sadly, it's owned by perhaps by some of THE most racist individuals on the planet (who I personally consider among the worst people on the planet). These folks are gonna have to be dragged into the 21 century - kicking and screaming - in terms of their hiring practices of HC's. I can't think of another industry in America that so blatantly practices racial discrimination as do NFL owners.

Go Brian Flores. I hope he's successful and that he coaches again in the NFL.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I truly hope his suit gets certified as a Class Action, and Brian Flores wins. Actually, I hope this thing gets the ball rolling on some sort of discussion regarding some type legislation that will better govern NFL owners. This is one thing about the NFL (among others) that owners need to be forced to change. The NFL is perhaps THE best product on the planet. Sadly, it's owned by perhaps by some of THE most racist individuals on the planet (who I personally consider among the worst people on the planet). These folks are gonna have to be dragged into the 21 century - kicking and screaming - in terms of their hiring practices of HC's. I can't think of another industry in America that so blatantly practices racial discrimination as do NFL owners.

Go Brian Flores. I hope he's successful and that he coaches again in the NFL.

What are you talking about? Who are the racists? Easy label to throw around with no specific evidence. Are the 49ers racist? Is Jed York racist?

Also if you feel NFL Owners are the worst people on the planet (strong statement). What does that make you? Do you not support the club? Do you not support the league by watching? Are you not complicit?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I truly hope his suit gets certified as a Class Action, and Brian Flores wins. Actually, I hope this thing gets the ball rolling on some sort of discussion regarding some type legislation that will better govern NFL owners. This is one thing about the NFL (among others) that owners need to be forced to change. The NFL is perhaps THE best product on the planet. Sadly, it's owned by perhaps by some of THE most racist individuals on the planet (who I personally consider among the worst people on the planet). These folks are gonna have to be dragged into the 21 century - kicking and screaming - in terms of their hiring practices of HC's. I can't think of another industry in America that so blatantly practices racial discrimination as do NFL owners.

Go Brian Flores. I hope he's successful and that he coaches again in the NFL.

What are you talking about? Who are the racists? Easy label to throw around with no specific evidence. Are the 49ers racist? Is Jed York racist?

Also if you feel NFL Owners are the worst people on the planet (strong statement). What does that make you? Do you not support the club? Do you not support the league by watching? Are you not complicit?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I truly hope his suit gets certified as a Class Action, and Brian Flores wins. Actually, I hope this thing gets the ball rolling on some sort of discussion regarding some type legislation that will better govern NFL owners. This is one thing about the NFL (among others) that owners need to be forced to change. The NFL is perhaps THE best product on the planet. Sadly, it's owned by perhaps by some of THE most racist individuals on the planet (who I personally consider among the worst people on the planet). These folks are gonna have to be dragged into the 21 century - kicking and screaming - in terms of their hiring practices of HC's. I can't think of another industry in America that so blatantly practices racial discrimination as do NFL owners.

Go Brian Flores. I hope he's successful and that he coaches again in the NFL.

What are you talking about? Who are the racists? Easy label to throw around with no specific evidence. Are the 49ers racist? Is Jed York racist?

Also if you feel NFL Owners are the worst people on the planet (strong statement). What does that make you? Do you not support the club? Do you not support the league by watching? Are you not complicit?

"Improving society somewhat" is a far cry from supporting "the worst people on the planet".

Kind of a lazy, dishonest 'debunking' you've done there. lmao

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I truly hope his suit gets certified as a Class Action, and Brian Flores wins. Actually, I hope this thing gets the ball rolling on some sort of discussion regarding some type legislation that will better govern NFL owners. This is one thing about the NFL (among others) that owners need to be forced to change. The NFL is perhaps THE best product on the planet. Sadly, it's owned by perhaps by some of THE most racist individuals on the planet (who I personally consider among the worst people on the planet). These folks are gonna have to be dragged into the 21 century - kicking and screaming - in terms of their hiring practices of HC's. I can't think of another industry in America that so blatantly practices racial discrimination as do NFL owners.

Go Brian Flores. I hope he's successful and that he coaches again in the NFL.

What are you talking about? Who are the racists? Easy label to throw around with no specific evidence. Are the 49ers racist? Is Jed York racist?

Also if you feel NFL Owners are the worst people on the planet (strong statement). What does that make you? Do you not support the club? Do you not support the league by watching? Are you not complicit?

Again easy to sit behind your keyboard and lob blanket accusations of racism. Accusing people of something without evidence is not improving society. You know what improves society? Due process and presumption of innocence. That's what this is all about. I hope this lawsuit gets it's day. The league shouldn't investigate as they may be compelled to sweep it under the rug. Should be an independent investigation or be before a judge / jury. But until the facts come out I won't say that a blanket group of people are the worst people on the planet and guilty without trial. That's mob mentality and witch-hunt type stuff.