Brian Flores files discrimination lawsuit against Giants, Dolphins and the NFL.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by raywm3:
I'm starting to lose my interest in siding with Flores. With everything that's coming out, it's starting to look like he's just being bitter. I understand that racism exists, probably even where I think it does not. But I'm tired of the race card being played everytime a minority gets passed over. You go into an interview process with your 1 (minority) or two, vs. the 6 white candidates and it's an odds game. You're a victim of numbers mostly. I don't feel like any team would pass on a minority if they were the best candidate, but maybe I'm naïve.

To side on way or the other without the facts is a guessing game, may as well flip a coin. Pretty fruitless. The man made serious accusations. Let's get to the bottom and side with the evidence. Just trust me it's a conflict of interest if the NFL investigates. Let it be a fair and impartial 3rd party doing the investigating.

I do agree that it'll be a conflict of interest if the NFL investigates. But what investigating body do you think investigate? I say the FBI. Because the owners will never cooperate with any other.

A simple judge or jury should suffice. Otherwise an independent prosecutor agreed upon by both parties. Any NFL investigation I will not trust the results they've botched enough of those already.

I don't necessarily disagree with a judge and jury. The FBI has police power that the owners have to respect. A full FBI investigation in the hands of a judge and jury would be great. But a judge and jury alone would turn into a circus, and result in the status quo. So IMHO, an FBI investigation would be the better option.

In any event, the NFL cannot be allowed to investigate themselves on this. Now, Hue Jackson is coming out and said he also was offered incentives to tank, and he says he has documentation. If he does then the NFL cannot be anywhere near close to investigating this. This needs an FBI investigation and congressional hearings.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
If the NFL has no problem with the hiring and firing of black and minority coaches, why does it need not one, but two rules to improve said process?

The NFL are openly admitting unfairness, but then staunchly defend an accusation of said unfairness before even hearing the details of the allegation.

FACTS!!!

Originally posted by RDB4216:
Ok, so here are some thoughts as things have come out a bit more. So this was actually Flores' second interview with the Giants that occurred in person on the 27th. This is still what officially satisfied the Rooney Rule, as it was the first in-person interview. So my question is, if you were convinced this was going to be a "sham interview" based off a text you got on the 24th - from someone not even in the organization - then why proceed with the interview? Why "let them use you" if you feel it is just going to be a waste of your time? Just cancel the interview and move on. Now the Giants had an in-person interview on the next day anyway, with Leslie Frazier - which also would have completed satisfying the Rooney Rule. So why would the Giants "waste their own time" by OVER-SATISFYING the Rooney Rule if their decision was already made?

Flores says he was offered money to tank the 2019 season. And he refused. So why wasn't he fired after the 2020 season? Why did the Dolphins wait until after the 2021 season?

And then the big one. If Flores was offered money to tank the 2019 season, then why did HE wait TWO YEARS to say anything about it? Something so offensive and unheard of to a person of high moral character - that he didn't quit? Or report it to the league office at the time? But waits until AFTER he is fired, THEN has a problem with it?

Just a matter of time before that predictable question. Simple, it's the same reason other Black coaches go through with the other shame interviews: because if they don't it gives the owners cover. You can't claim the interview was a shame, you can't claim you didn't get the job due to racial discrimination, for a job you didn't - that you refused to - interview for, an interview that was offered to you. I'm in IT, at a senior level. As a Black man, do you have any idea of how many interviews I've been on for jobs (that I was thoroughly qualified for) but knew going in I had no chance at getting? You have any idea of how many job interviews I've had where I knew I wouldn't get the job the minute I set foot in the hiring managers office, yet STILL knock the interview out of the part? (Three of my top 5 interview performances were like that.)

Brain Flores still took the interview because he genuinely hoped his resume and interview performance would win them over. This is the same reason all Black men go on job interviews that we knew we're not likely getting. That's the life of Black folk in this nation that even we don't really discuss among ourselves. We just "chalk it up to the game" and keep working hard. The only difference between Brian Flores and other Black men is that he had real proof.

Like Jim Harbough once Said: "I Work at the Owners discretion"

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by scottym:
Kaps again?Have we been cursed by this dude?The issues are real, Kap is a fake.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

Exactly my point. Kap using real world problems to deflect blame of his own inadequacies is what makes him a fake and a fraud. The fact that some people still actually believe him, just proves that P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct - there is a sucker born every minute!!

And Flores opening comment saying he knows this could cost him his coaching career, is following Kap's path very closely.

Explain this s**t. You have the nerve to call someone who risked their career, by peacefully bringing awareness to a real issue, as fake....so explain it.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by scottym:
Kaps again?Have we been cursed by this dude?The issues are real, Kap is a fake.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

Exactly my point. Kap using real world problems to deflect blame of his own inadequacies is what makes him a fake and a fraud. The fact that some people still actually believe him, just proves that P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct - there is a sucker born every minute!!

And Flores opening comment saying he knows this could cost him his coaching career, is following Kap's path very closely.

Explain this s**t. You have the nerve to call someone who risked their career, by peacefully bringing awareness to a real issue, as fake....so explain it.

Don't hold your breath on that demand. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hear it. But I just don't expect it. I totally understand the kind of people we're dealing with (speaking about the owners). I have accepted them, and their defenders, for who they are being defended by.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by scottym:
Kaps again?Have we been cursed by this dude?The issues are real, Kap is a fake.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

Exactly my point. Kap using real world problems to deflect blame of his own inadequacies is what makes him a fake and a fraud. The fact that some people still actually believe him, just proves that P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct - there is a sucker born every minute!!

And Flores opening comment saying he knows this could cost him his coaching career, is following Kap's path very closely.

Explain this s**t. You have the nerve to call someone who risked their career, by peacefully bringing awareness to a real issue, as fake....so explain it.

Don't hold your breath on that demand. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hear it. But I just don't expect it. I totally understand the kind of people we're dealing with (speaking about the owners). I have accepted them, and their defenders, for who they are being defended by.

KAP did what he did because he knew the dream was over !!

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by scottym:
Kaps again?Have we been cursed by this dude?The issues are real, Kap is a fake.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

Exactly my point. Kap using real world problems to deflect blame of his own inadequacies is what makes him a fake and a fraud. The fact that some people still actually believe him, just proves that P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct - there is a sucker born every minute!!

And Flores opening comment saying he knows this could cost him his coaching career, is following Kap's path very closely.

Explain this s**t. You have the nerve to call someone who risked their career, by peacefully bringing awareness to a real issue, as fake....so explain it.

Don't hold your breath on that demand. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hear it. But I just don't expect it. I totally understand the kind of people we're dealing with (speaking about the owners). I have accepted them, and their defenders, for who they are being defended by.

KAP did what he did because he knew the dream was over !!

what happened to Kap wasn't a big deal to many...or some internet joke s**t.

That was real life, and we all witnessed it. No need to still keep with the jokes.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Rascal:
LOL. Fans don't care about that. If the roster sucks, fans want draft picks, they want infusion of studs and star players so that eventually the team can win and win big. Scrapping to win 1 or 2 more games in a hopeless season so that you will lose the No.1 overall pick for example is pure stupidity.

On a slightly different topic, I will also tell you what else is stupid, not taking a franchise QB when you have the pick makes zero sense. Just look at what ended up happening with the 9ers, so Kyle wasn't interested in mobile QBs such as Mahomes back in 2017, he then decided to proceed to work on the rest of the roster. In the end, the 9ers had to give up 3 x 1st and 1 x 3rd to get that franchise QB. That is simply senseless. Honestly? Kyle might have indirectly tanked by doing so. If Belichick didn't call him and offered Jimmy on a silver platter, we absolutely would have been at the basement for a few more years at the very least.

this is some epic monday morning GMing. a bunch of teams passed on Mahomes. he wasnt the sure thing everyone now claims he was leading up to the draft.

it's time for fans like you to move on OR...

build a time machine, get hired into the Niners FO and make your argument to draft Mahomes.

A bunch of teams? How did you work that out? The Bears fxxked up by taking Trubisky, that's about it apart from 9ers not taking Mahomes. Mahomes went at 10 and Deshaun Watson went at 12. So, 2 teams missed and the 9ers was one of them, that's all you need to know.

The point is not just about missing on Mahomes, but the fact that he didn't draft a QB when he had the pick. Then, 4 years down the road, the 9ers had to suffer by totally selling the farm with 3 x 1st and 1 x 3rd to draft Trey Lance. You better hope and pray Lance doesn't bust.

I was called crazy for suggesting that the 49ers should take Mahomes@2. I said he was boom or bust, but was the only one with superstar potential in that draft and liked the idea of shooting for the stars. I was wrong obviously. Watson has that potential also, even now.

Originally posted by miked1978:
I don't get the racism part. What am I missing?

Your owner offering you a bonus to lose is not racism. Stupidity yes but racism

Hell most of our fan base want us to lose for a better draft position if we aren't making the playoffs. Are they racist too?

Racism isin't really a feeling. It's a system.

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Originally posted by thl408:
Brian Flores may have saved Joe Burrows' career by not tanking in 2019 to get the first overall pick in the 2020 draft.

After everyone saying the Bengals would ruin him lol

Lol yes. A stud is a stud.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by scottym:
Kaps again?Have we been cursed by this dude?The issues are real, Kap is a fake.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

Exactly my point. Kap using real world problems to deflect blame of his own inadequacies is what makes him a fake and a fraud. The fact that some people still actually believe him, just proves that P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct - there is a sucker born every minute!!

And Flores opening comment saying he knows this could cost him his coaching career, is following Kap's path very closely.

Explain this s**t. You have the nerve to call someone who risked their career, by peacefully bringing awareness to a real issue, as fake....so explain it.

Don't hold your breath on that demand. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hear it. But I just don't expect it. I totally understand the kind of people we're dealing with (speaking about the owners). I have accepted them, and their defenders, for who they are being defended by.

KAP did what he did because he knew the dream was over !!

So "the dream was over" for Flores as well, and that's why he did what he did?

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
When you make statements like "we can't have the inmates running the prison" things are pretty clear where your views lie.

You realize that was Bob McNair, who died in 2018.

True, but his Freudian slip was somewhat of an insight into how other owners think when it comes to their players. His views didn't die with him.

What if the majority of players were White?

What if this was an NHL owner making that statement?

It's all in interpretation. The mind sees what it wants to see.

It COULD be what you think it means.

But not necessarily.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
If the NFL has no problem with the hiring and firing of black and minority coaches, why does it need not one, but two rules to improve said process?

The NFL are openly admitting unfairness, but then staunchly defend an accusation of said unfairness before even hearing the details of the allegation.

The NFL is doing that because of political pressure, or because of virtue signaling.

I'm all for the best candidates to get the job. If it means it's a 50/50 white/black HC split, so be it..........20/80 white black, whatever.

What I hate is this idea of MANUFACTURING equality just for the sake of perception. The need to have certain percentages just for the SAKE OF PERCENTAGES.

Women assistant coaches for instance in the NFL......if women really want to coach in the NFL, that's fine....they just need to be good and be willing to do everything as well as or better than a man.

As one black friend told me the other night, he thinks owners don't hire black coaches because "they don't look like them, can't relate". Ok, maybe that's a possibility.

But is that racism? That would mean that if you chose not to befriend many black people in your personal life that you're racist as well.

Preferences have now been equated to bigotry.

Nothing is so crystal clear. Unless you can be a fly on the wall in 32 boardrooms, 32 homes, 32 cell phone texts, 32 cell phone phone calls, etc...you're never going to know the truth.

Giants owner Mara supposedly wanted Flores and only reason Flores didn't become head coach is because Mara deferred to his new GM Schoen who wanted Daboll. This is the sorta thing we'd want out of Jed York if it was the same scenario.

Oh, the irony.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
The NFL is doing that because of political pressure, or because of virtue signaling.

I'm all for the best candidates to get the job. If it means it's a 50/50 white/black HC split, so be it..........20/80 white black, whatever.

What I hate is this idea of MANUFACTURING equality just for the sake of perception. The need to have certain percentages just for the SAKE OF PERCENTAGES.

Women assistant coaches for instance in the NFL......if women really want to coach in the NFL, that's fine....they just need to be good and be willing to do everything as well as or better than a man.

As one black friend told me the other night, he thinks owners don't hire black coaches because "they don't look like them, can't relate". Ok, maybe that's a possibility.

But is that racism? That would mean that if you chose not to befriend many black people in your personal life that you're racist as well.

Preferences have now been equated to bigotry.

Nothing is so crystal clear. Unless you can be a fly on the wall in 32 boardrooms, 32 homes, 32 cell phone texts, 32 cell phone phone calls, etc...you're never going to know the truth.

Giants owner Mara supposedly wanted Flores and only reason Flores didn't become head coach is because Mara deferred to his new GM Schoen who wanted Daboll. This is the sorta thing we'd want out of Jed York if it was the same scenario.

Oh, the irony.

Your post was almost perfect. I just wish you would have said: Women assistant coaches for instance in the NFL......if women really want to coach in the NFL, that's fine....they just need to be good and be willing to do everything possible and be in the top tier of knowledge and stand with other top tier candidates. If we take the man and woman out of it it matches the rest of your post nicely. Just talk candidates over race, gender etc.

By the way, I agree with your post.