Brian Flores files discrimination lawsuit against Giants, Dolphins and the NFL.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
When you make statements like "we can't have the inmates running the prison" things are pretty clear where your views lie.

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You realize that was Bob McNair, who died in 2018.

True, but his Freudian slip was somewhat of an insight into how other owners think when it comes to their players. His views didn't die with him.

What if the majority of players were White?

What if this was an NHL owner making that statement?

It's all in interpretation. The mind sees what it wants to see.

It COULD be what you think it means.

But not necessarily.

Unfortunately for your point the NFL isn't majority white. So your question is pointless.

Unfortunately for your point there are no reports of NHL owners making that statement. So the question is pointless.

There's nothing to interpret in the face of statements of facts. Either the statement is true or false - full stop.

Still don't get the whole $100,000 per game to lose thing.....this took place in 2019, yet he remained the HC through 2021.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
If the NFL has no problem with the hiring and firing of black and minority coaches, why does it need not one, but two rules to improve said process?

The NFL are openly admitting unfairness, but then staunchly defend an accusation of said unfairness before even hearing the details of the allegation.

The NFL is doing that because of political pressure, or because of virtue signaling.

I'm all for the best candidates to get the job. If it means it's a 50/50 white/black HC split, so be it..........20/80 white black, whatever.

What I hate is this idea of MANUFACTURING equality just for the sake of perception. The need to have certain percentages just for the SAKE OF PERCENTAGES.

Women assistant coaches for instance in the NFL......if women really want to coach in the NFL, that's fine....they just need to be good and be willing to do everything as well as or better than a man.

As one black friend told me the other night, he thinks owners don't hire black coaches because "they don't look like them, can't relate". Ok, maybe that's a possibility.

But is that racism? That would mean that if you chose not to befriend many black people in your personal life that you're racist as well.

Preferences have now been equated to bigotry.

Nothing is so crystal clear. Unless you can be a fly on the wall in 32 boardrooms, 32 homes, 32 cell phone texts, 32 cell phone phone calls, etc...you're never going to know the truth.

Giants owner Mara supposedly wanted Flores and only reason Flores didn't become head coach is because Mara deferred to his new GM Schoen who wanted Daboll. This is the sorta thing we'd want out of Jed York if it was the same scenario.

Oh, the irony.

Lol

Ryans deciding to stick with SF make sense after the Flores situation. Wonder if teams were using Ryans as the token interview?

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Still don't get the whole $100,000 per game to lose thing.....this took place in 2019, yet he remained the HC through 2021.

Regarding this part, I am not at all surprised that owner(s) will incentivize losing. Players have a very small amount of years to play, coaches have wins and losses attached to their resume - both these parties cannot afford to tank. But an owner has longevity on his side. If there is a blue chip prospect that could possibly turn the franchise around, for example a Joe Burrow, then I totally see the desire to tank and get a shot to draft that blue chipper. There is no difference between a 5-11 season and a 2-14 season (both suck) except that one might get the team the opportunity to draft a franchise QB that is coming out in the draft.

Tanking is not fair for the players that crack their skulls every Sunday, the coaches that put in 16 hour work days, and the fans that pay ticket fees expecting to see maximum effort, but for the owners, like the fans, they have the luxury of seeing the big picture because they'll be around for a long time. That's why tanking makes sense to the owners.

The reason I think Flores got fired after the 2021 season, and not 2020 season, is because Joe Burrow is now a certified baller, whereas Tua is a struggling QB. The owner might have looked back at his desire to tank 2019 for Joe Burrow and think "dammit, we should have actually tanked in 2019. F you Flores".

edit: I just checked the games for MIA and CIN in 2019 and there was no way that MIA could have gotten a higher draft pick than the 2-14 Bengals. So what I typed above about MIA owner being upset about missing out on Burrow makes little sense.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Ryans deciding to stick with SF make sense after the Flores situation. Wonder if teams were using Ryans as the token interview?

No.

Raiders interviewed Jerod Mayo, Meco and Bowles.

Vikes requested a second interview.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Still don't get the whole $100,000 per game to lose thing.....this took place in 2019, yet he remained the HC through 2021.

Regarding this part, I am not at all surprised that owner(s) will incentivize losing. Players have a very small amount of years to play, coaches have wins and losses attached to their resume - both these parties cannot afford to tank. But an owner has longevity on his side. If there is a blue chip prospect that could possibly turn the franchise around, for example a Joe Burrow, then I totally see the desire to tank and get a shot to draft that blue chipper. There is no difference between a 5-11 season and a 2-14 season (both suck) except that one might get the team the opportunity to draft a franchise QB that is coming out in the draft.

Tanking is not fair for the players that crack their skulls every Sunday, the coaches that put in 16 hour work days, and the fans that pay ticket fees expecting to see maximum effort, but for the owners, like the fans, they have the luxury of seeing the big picture because they'll be around for a long time. That's why tanking makes sense to the owners.

The reason I think Flores got fired after the 2021 season, and not 2020 season, is because Joe Burrow is now a certified baller, whereas Tua is a struggling QB. The owner might have looked back at his desire to tank 2019 for Joe Burrow and think "dammit, we should have actually tanked in 2019. F you Flores".

edit: I just checked the games for MIA and CIN in 2019 and there was no way that MIA could have gotten a higher draft pick than the 2-14 Bengals. So what I typed above about MIA owner being upset about missing out on Burrow makes little sense.

The thing about owner tanking sure there may be some incentive. There is also an incentive to not break the rules and have Congress up your behind (see currently Dan Snyder). In the Bush days there were tin foil hatters who thought he masterminded 9/11. It would be treason and you can't mastermind something that complex unilaterally it would involve a bunch of people and the truth would come out. Different situation but similar principle you can't just tank yourself the owner how would that work you have to involve either the HC, GM or players or some combination and there is no way to keep secrets once more than 1 person is involved there would be an email or text message somewhere.

Tanking doesn't make sense for the owners. Not saying it didn't happen just that the risks overwhelmingly outweigh the rewards. You would have to be staggeringly stupid and very trusting of people you may end up firing down the road which is even more stupid.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Still don't get the whole $100,000 per game to lose thing.....this took place in 2019, yet he remained the HC through 2021.

Ok, he was approached to tank games for money so the team could get a higher draft pick. He refused. I don't get what's so hard to understand there.

As far as him staying through 2021 I have to say this: Not only will I not blame him for it, I'm glad that he did. As a Black man I have to identify with him on a very basic level. Black men don't get a lot of high paying employment opportunities. And as a rule we are taught in the Black community that you don't quit a job before you have another one already in hand. No matter how bad the work environment is, you endure the best way you can until another opportunity presents itself. For Black men, it's downright foolish to quit a job with nothing else lined up, especially when you have mouths to feed.

So if you wanna blame the man for that then I don't what to tell you.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Ryans deciding to stick with SF make sense after the Flores situation. Wonder if teams were using Ryans as the token interview?

Possibly but Vikings were definitely gonna hire him. At least 98% sure until he decided to decline the 2nd interview. Does anyone honestly think they would really take friggin Kevin O'Connell before Ryans (if given the choice)?

Originally posted by ninerjok:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Ryans deciding to stick with SF make sense after the Flores situation. Wonder if teams were using Ryans as the token interview?

Possibly but Vikings were definitely gonna hire him. At least 98% sure until he decided to decline the 2nd interview. Does anyone honestly think they would really take friggin Kevin O'Connell before Ryans (if given the choice)?

Well O'Connell has been spotted in the same room as McVay so HC material written all over him alert Canton get them working on the bust

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Still don't get the whole $100,000 per game to lose thing.....this took place in 2019, yet he remained the HC through 2021.

Regarding this part, I am not at all surprised that owner(s) will incentivize losing. Players have a very small amount of years to play, coaches have wins and losses attached to their resume - both these parties cannot afford to tank. But an owner has longevity on his side. If there is a blue chip prospect that could possibly turn the franchise around, for example a Joe Burrow, then I totally see the desire to tank and get a shot to draft that blue chipper. There is no difference between a 5-11 season and a 2-14 season (both suck) except that one might get the team the opportunity to draft a franchise QB that is coming out in the draft.

Tanking is not fair for the players that crack their skulls every Sunday, the coaches that put in 16 hour work days, and the fans that pay ticket fees expecting to see maximum effort, but for the owners, like the fans, they have the luxury of seeing the big picture because they'll be around for a long time. That's why tanking makes sense to the owners.

The reason I think Flores got fired after the 2021 season, and not 2020 season, is because Joe Burrow is now a certified baller, whereas Tua is a struggling QB. The owner might have looked back at his desire to tank 2019 for Joe Burrow and think "dammit, we should have actually tanked in 2019. F you Flores".

edit: I just checked the games for MIA and CIN in 2019 and there was no way that MIA could have gotten a higher draft pick than the 2-14 Bengals. So what I typed above about MIA owner being upset about missing out on Burrow makes little sense.

From what I understand Brian Flores didn't even want to draft Tua. He wanted Justin Herbert, but he was over-ruled by ownership and the GM. I think that was the start of a very toxic work environment for Flores.

But I gotta say this, if Flores is correct (and I sincerely believe he is) I sincerely hope The Dolphins are blackballed by all Black free agents unless and until there's a change in ownership.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Still don't get the whole $100,000 per game to lose thing.....this took place in 2019, yet he remained the HC through 2021.

Regarding this part, I am not at all surprised that owner(s) will incentivize losing. Players have a very small amount of years to play, coaches have wins and losses attached to their resume - both these parties cannot afford to tank. But an owner has longevity on his side. If there is a blue chip prospect that could possibly turn the franchise around, for example a Joe Burrow, then I totally see the desire to tank and get a shot to draft that blue chipper. There is no difference between a 5-11 season and a 2-14 season (both suck) except that one might get the team the opportunity to draft a franchise QB that is coming out in the draft.

Tanking is not fair for the players that crack their skulls every Sunday, the coaches that put in 16 hour work days, and the fans that pay ticket fees expecting to see maximum effort, but for the owners, like the fans, they have the luxury of seeing the big picture because they'll be around for a long time. That's why tanking makes sense to the owners.

The reason I think Flores got fired after the 2021 season, and not 2020 season, is because Joe Burrow is now a certified baller, whereas Tua is a struggling QB. The owner might have looked back at his desire to tank 2019 for Joe Burrow and think "dammit, we should have actually tanked in 2019. F you Flores".

edit: I just checked the games for MIA and CIN in 2019 and there was no way that MIA could have gotten a higher draft pick than the 2-14 Bengals. So what I typed above about MIA owner being upset about missing out on Burrow makes little sense.

From what I understand Brian Flores didn't even want to draft Tua. He wanted Justin Herbert, but he was over-ruled by ownership and the GM. I think that was the start of a very toxic work environment for Flores.

But I gotta say this, if Flores is correct (and I sincerely believe he is) I sincerely hope The Dolphins are blackballed by all Black free agents unless and until there's a change in ownership.

Trent mother f**king baalke has a job but Flores does not? Case closed.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
From what I understand Brian Flores didn't even want to draft Tua. He wanted Justin Herbert, but he was over-ruled by ownership and the GM. I think that was the start of a very toxic work environment for Flores.

But I gotta say this, if Flores is correct (and I sincerely believe he is) I sincerely hope The Dolphins are blackballed by all Black free agents unless and until there's a change in ownership.

Now there is a real hammer, which could potentially cripple a team. Might be a problem getting the Black FAs to turn down real money, tho. If they could, that would surely be a way to corral owners in , oh say, WASH or Fla.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Ok, he was approached to tank games for money so the team could get a higher draft pick. He refused. I don't get what's so hard to understand there.

As far as him staying through 2021 I have to say this: Not only will I not blame him for it, I'm glad that he did. As a Black man I have to identify with him on a very basic level. Black men don't get a lot of high paying employment opportunities. And as a rule we are taught in the Black community that you don't quit a job before you have another one already in hand. No matter how bad the work environment is, you endure the best way you can until another opportunity presents itself. For Black men, it's downright foolish to quit a job with nothing else lined up, especially when you have mouths to feed.

So if you wanna blame the man for that then I don't what to tell you.

There is also a thing called integrity. If he wants to claim this was such an egregious act now, then he should've acted back in 2019. It most certainly hurts his credibility in any claims against Ross.

Not saying Ross' word solid, but I need to see facts before I take anything that Flores says seriously.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by scottym:
Kaps again?Have we been cursed by this dude?The issues are real, Kap is a fake.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

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Exactly my point. Kap using real world problems to deflect blame of his own inadequacies is what makes him a fake and a fraud. The fact that some people still actually believe him, just proves that P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct - there is a sucker born every minute!!

And Flores opening comment saying he knows this could cost him his coaching career, is following Kap's path very closely.

Explain this s**t. You have the nerve to call someone who risked their career, by peacefully bringing awareness to a real issue, as fake....so explain it.

This has been covered at length - and beyond. The timeline is out there and very clear. If, at this point, you still don't see it - it's because you are choosing not to. And I can't help you with that, so there is no need to go over it again. I'll just address the "risked their career" comment. Isn't it interesting, that he waited until AFTER the 49ers were considering cutting or trading him, to suddenly feel the need to protest? He was the quarterback in the SUPER BOWL...with a audience of literal MILLIONS...eh but had nothing to say then. His career was over then and he knew it - which is why HE did everything possible to sabotage every opportunity he had after that.