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he's like I don't wanna come in to work today. Suck it you can't fire me 😂😂😂
The Miami Dolphins have had 9 head coaches since 2004.

edit - 9 coaches, not 10
[ Edited by floridaMan on Feb 4, 2022 at 1:42 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Flores should have cooled down and waited a week, severing employment opportunities isn't wise.

He stands to make more from this lawsuit then he'd make in 20 years as a coach. I don't blame him one bit for being pissed off.

disagree, he is trying to be a martyr. The team complied with the rule by conducting an interview. That is how the rule was written. As far as tanking to get a better draft position. UUhh, this happens all the time in the NBA, the NFL (suck for Luck) curtis painter?? The NFL is a business, period. ALL teams have up and down years.

Little does he know suing the NFL will make owners even more weary of hiring him as a coach. They cannot trust him.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by scottym:
Kaps again?Have we been cursed by this dude?The issues are real, Kap is a fake.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

Exactly my point. Kap using real world problems to deflect blame of his own inadequacies is what makes him a fake and a fraud. The fact that some people still actually believe him, just proves that P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct - there is a sucker born every minute!!

And Flores opening comment saying he knows this could cost him his coaching career, is following Kap's path very closely.

Explain this s**t. You have the nerve to call someone who risked their career, by peacefully bringing awareness to a real issue, as fake....so explain it.


time and place for everything. And Kaep had a massive platform he could've used for good. Wearing pig socks, supporting riots and was not the best usage of this. Dialogue, diplomacy anything would've helped those awful times. He simply added more fuel to the powder keg. We already had a buffoon in the White House. Hell we have a buffoon in the White House now.

The issue is absolutely real. But to choose an idiot like kaepernick to lead the cause I don't understand. He is not a martyr. He just chooses to play on raw emotions and pain of black community. And so many do this it's disgusting. Hell the blm founder just bought a couple million dollar houses with your donations.

don't get suckered man he's only out for himself. I'm sure that documentary he did for free. While you and I fight for no reason when we believe in the same cause.

I'd also like to add I hope Flores gets paid. When Trent mother fcking baalke is working and Flores is not we got a real problem.
[ Edited by Jubwub88 on Feb 4, 2022 at 1:53 PM ]
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by scottym:
Kaps again?Have we been cursed by this dude?The issues are real, Kap is a fake.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

Exactly my point. Kap using real world problems to deflect blame of his own inadequacies is what makes him a fake and a fraud. The fact that some people still actually believe him, just proves that P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct - there is a sucker born every minute!!

And Flores opening comment saying he knows this could cost him his coaching career, is following Kap's path very closely.

Explain this s**t. You have the nerve to call someone who risked their career, by peacefully bringing awareness to a real issue, as fake....so explain it.

This has been covered at length - and beyond. The timeline is out there and very clear. If, at this point, you still don't see it - it's because you are choosing not to. And I can't help you with that, so there is no need to go over it again. I'll just address the "risked their career" comment. Isn't it interesting, that he waited until AFTER the 49ers were considering cutting or trading him, to suddenly feel the need to protest? He was the quarterback in the SUPER BOWL...with a audience of literal MILLIONS...eh but had nothing to say then. His career was over then and he knew it - which is why HE did everything possible to sabotage every opportunity he had after that.
yup, kaep is a fraud
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Flores should have cooled down and waited a week, severing employment opportunities isn't wise.

He stands to make more from this lawsuit then he'd make in 20 years as a coach. I don't blame him one bit for being pissed off.

So Flores was in it for the money then? Not for the love of coaching? I agree that he should have waited and I very much doubt this lawsuit will have much in the way of merit. So, he didn't get Job A? Have any of you ever been passed over for a job you thought should have been yours? Or the person who was hired was less qualified? Happens all the time.

What Flores really did was CK7 himself straight ouf of the game of professional football. Nobody will touch him now. Good coaches get canned all the time for one reason or another. It doesn't mean they are bad at coaching. It just means the fit wasn't right.

Flores not only banned himself from NFL Football, he did a great injustice to other deserving minority candidates.

Let's get real here. If there is merit to Flores claims he hasn't excommunicated himself from anything. Only take away is don't do illegal stuff cuz the guy may document it which he should. Nothing a law abiding club has to worry about. Now if there is no merit to his claims and he is just making stuff up then you may be correct. But let's withhold judgement until the facts come out.

I agree with letting the facts come out, provided they ever do. If BF has the paper trail to prove his allegations, then the NFL will be forced to settle. They may just settle anyway. Who knows how far this will go?

I cannot tell you how many times I've been passed over for jobs, only to discover that people with far less experience were hired. One employer privately told me he couldn't hire me because my skin was the wrong color. He used language stronger than that, but it happened just the same. I don't think there's a poster on this forum who has been treated unfairly in the workplace, or while searching for a job. Most of us just accept it and move on. Or some of us start our own businesses and survive on cans of pork and beans, hoping the investment pays off.

*Ahem*
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by scottym:
Kaps again?Have we been cursed by this dude?The issues are real, Kap is a fake.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Uh, wow. What issues did Kaepernick fake? He took a stand (one that is still going on in sports around the world) and then the league admitted black balling him and settled a lawsuit. Yet people still think it was manufactured.

To your other point, yes, deliberately manufacturing a race issue, playing the race card is wrong. In my life I've done this once, as a 12 year old boy getting out of trouble at school, it was perfectly timed and worked to perfection, however I grew, realised it was wrong and have never done it again.

Brian Flores is not playing the race card, his resume should guarantee him another head coaching job, he's seen a situation that he feels strongly about and believes he has enough proof to what most people know happens to affect change.

Bruce Arians announced with his hires of Vance Joseph and Byron Leftwich that black coaches aren't given equal opportunity and he felt it was his responsibility to develop and mentor his staff to increase that opportunity.

We all know sham interviews take place, now he has proof.

It's fine to already have a candidate in mind, but the rules say you have to listen and consider, and the Giants clearly didn't.

Exactly my point. Kap using real world problems to deflect blame of his own inadequacies is what makes him a fake and a fraud. The fact that some people still actually believe him, just proves that P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct - there is a sucker born every minute!!

And Flores opening comment saying he knows this could cost him his coaching career, is following Kap's path very closely.

Explain this s**t. You have the nerve to call someone who risked their career, by peacefully bringing awareness to a real issue, as fake....so explain it.

This has been covered at length - and beyond. The timeline is out there and very clear. If, at this point, you still don't see it - it's because you are choosing not to. And I can't help you with that, so there is no need to go over it again. I'll just address the "risked their career" comment. Isn't it interesting, that he waited until AFTER the 49ers were considering cutting or trading him, to suddenly feel the need to protest? He was the quarterback in the SUPER BOWL...with a audience of literal MILLIONS...eh but had nothing to say then. His career was over then and he knew it - which is why HE did everything possible to sabotage every opportunity he had after that.

Wait after the 9ers considered cutting him? What in the world are you talking about?

Kap had a troubled year in 2015 with Tomsula as head coach and Baalke forcing the likes of Jordan Devey and Eric Pears starting on the oline (literally the two worse graded offensive lineman the previous season). Andrew Tiller was playing better than Devey, but for some reason Baalke wanted Devey out there..and Tiller was kept on the bench.

Kap got hurt... told the coaches and doctors... got misdiagnosed.... played with the injury... still went back to the coaches and doctors again, pointing out pain he was still feeling. Misdiagnosed again... then just didn't trust them anymore and got a second opinion, and was diagnosed with "significant" tear of his left shoulder's labrum. To which the team doctors were like ooooh yeah, he needs to get surgery.

But even in that troubled half season.. Kap threw 6TDs and 5ints. 4 of those ints came in one game. Against the Cardinals (that many love to point out). So 6Tds and 1 int besides that game.

How weird was that one game against the Cards? In the previous 5 games against the Cards he's thrown 9TDs and 1int. Kap has always been good at protecting the ball... that was a rare game where things got out of hand, which does happen to QBs.

So judging from that bad injured 2015 season... he didn't really do all that bad, taking everything into consideration. So why would he think his NFL career was close to being over? That 2016 offseason he declined a trade to the Broncos, because they wanted to reduce his guaranteed salary. Hell if the 9ers wanted to get rid of him so bad, they could have picked up the remaining 4.9mil the Broncos were holding out on for the trade to go through.

So you're telling me Kap thought his career was over in 2016? Dude was so desperate to play he bet on himself and made a deal with the front office DURING the season. And went on to throw for 16TDs and only 4Ints on a bad offensive roster.... in alittle more than half of a season.

We know how horrible the starting qb situation in the NFL is. Ain't no way he thought his career was close to being over. That is just yall looking for a reason to bash the guy... to justify him being screwed by NFL teams.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
yup, kaep is a fraud

Speaking of frauds.
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
If the NFL has no problem with the hiring and firing of black and minority coaches, why does it need not one, but two rules to improve said process?

The NFL are openly admitting unfairness, but then staunchly defend an accusation of said unfairness before even hearing the details of the allegation.

The NFL is doing that because of political pressure, or because of virtue signaling.

I'm all for the best candidates to get the job. If it means it's a 50/50 white/black HC split, so be it..........20/80 white black, whatever.

What I hate is this idea of MANUFACTURING equality just for the sake of perception. The need to have certain percentages just for the SAKE OF PERCENTAGES.

Women assistant coaches for instance in the NFL......if women really want to coach in the NFL, that's fine....they just need to be good and be willing to do everything as well as or better than a man.

As one black friend told me the other night, he thinks owners don't hire black coaches because "they don't look like them, can't relate". Ok, maybe that's a possibility.

But is that racism? That would mean that if you chose not to befriend many black people in your personal life that you're racist as well.

Preferences have now been equated to bigotry.

Nothing is so crystal clear. Unless you can be a fly on the wall in 32 boardrooms, 32 homes, 32 cell phone texts, 32 cell phone phone calls, etc...you're never going to know the truth.

Giants owner Mara supposedly wanted Flores and only reason Flores didn't become head coach is because Mara deferred to his new GM Schoen who wanted Daboll. This is the sorta thing we'd want out of Jed York if it was the same scenario.

Oh, the irony.

If it were just the Rooney rule I might accept that argument. The latest rule, which I really like, offering incentives to develop minority candidates is clearly an acknowledgement that minority candidates are not treated fairly.

No one is manufacturing equality, if that were the case there would be more than 2 minority coaches out of 32, what they are doing is trying to manufacture out inequality.

The bolded comment is the most frustrating for me because that is what EVERYONE wants.

The simple fact in the NFL, and to be honest pretty much the world, is that if you are black, female, transgender, poor, homosexual or whatever else you have to be better at what you do than a middle-upper class white male to get anywhere.

It's worse in the NFL because not only do you have to be better, you have to continually perform at that higher level in order to keep your job AND you are much less likely to get a 2nd chance.
Originally posted by Jubwub88:
time and place for everything. And Kaep had a massive platform he could've used for good. Wearing pig socks, supporting riots and was not the best usage of this. Dialogue, diplomacy anything would've helped those awful times. He simply added more fuel to the powder keg. We already had a buffoon in the White House. Hell we have a buffoon in the White House now.

The issue is absolutely real. But to choose an idiot like kaepernick to lead the cause I don't understand. He is not a martyr. He just chooses to play on raw emotions and pain of black community. And so many do this it's disgusting. Hell the blm founder just bought a couple million dollar houses with your donations.

don't get suckered man he's only out for himself. I'm sure that documentary he did for free. While you and I fight for no reason when we believe in the same cause.

I'd also like to add I hope Flores gets paid. When Trent mother fcking baalke is working and Flores is not we got a real problem.

You are lost man. You don't know what you're talking about.

You might have good intentions, but you are lost. By speaking the way you do, you'll lose people you feel you are genuinely trying to help.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
If the NFL has no problem with the hiring and firing of black and minority coaches, why does it need not one, but two rules to improve said process?

The NFL are openly admitting unfairness, but then staunchly defend an accusation of said unfairness before even hearing the details of the allegation.

The NFL is doing that because of political pressure, or because of virtue signaling.

I'm all for the best candidates to get the job. If it means it's a 50/50 white/black HC split, so be it..........20/80 white black, whatever.

What I hate is this idea of MANUFACTURING equality just for the sake of perception. The need to have certain percentages just for the SAKE OF PERCENTAGES.

Women assistant coaches for instance in the NFL......if women really want to coach in the NFL, that's fine....they just need to be good and be willing to do everything as well as or better than a man.

As one black friend told me the other night, he thinks owners don't hire black coaches because "they don't look like them, can't relate". Ok, maybe that's a possibility.

But is that racism? That would mean that if you chose not to befriend many black people in your personal life that you're racist as well.

Preferences have now been equated to bigotry.

Nothing is so crystal clear. Unless you can be a fly on the wall in 32 boardrooms, 32 homes, 32 cell phone texts, 32 cell phone phone calls, etc...you're never going to know the truth.

Giants owner Mara supposedly wanted Flores and only reason Flores didn't become head coach is because Mara deferred to his new GM Schoen who wanted Daboll. This is the sorta thing we'd want out of Jed York if it was the same scenario.

Oh, the irony.

If it were just the Rooney rule I might accept that argument. The latest rule, which I really like, offering incentives to develop minority candidates is clearly an acknowledgement that minority candidates are not treated fairly.

No one is manufacturing equality, if that were the case there would be more than 2 minority coaches out of 32, what they are doing is trying to manufacture out inequality.

The bolded comment is the most frustrating for me because that is what EVERYONE wants.

The simple fact in the NFL, and to be honest pretty much the world, is that if you are black, female, transgender, poor, homosexual or whatever else you have to be better at what you do than a middle-upper class white male to get anywhere.

It's worse in the NFL because not only do you have to be better, you have to continually perform at that higher level in order to keep your job AND you are much less likely to get a 2nd chance.

Imo, it falls back on ZERO Black owners in the NFL. There are wealthy Black folks with backing, who have wanted to own teams. You tell me they couldn't get one to buy the Panthers when they were on sale?

Broncos are on sale right now. We'll see what happens right?

But by having Black owners....then there's a better chance things would be kept in check. Qualified Coaches, and players would have at least one place where they know they get a fair look. And that's all they ask.
[ Edited by Afrikan on Feb 4, 2022 at 4:03 PM ]
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
yup, kaep is a fraud

Speaking of frauds.
yes, were are speaking of frauds
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
If the NFL has no problem with the hiring and firing of black and minority coaches, why does it need not one, but two rules to improve said process?

The NFL are openly admitting unfairness, but then staunchly defend an accusation of said unfairness before even hearing the details of the allegation.

The NFL is doing that because of political pressure, or because of virtue signaling.

I'm all for the best candidates to get the job. If it means it's a 50/50 white/black HC split, so be it..........20/80 white black, whatever.

What I hate is this idea of MANUFACTURING equality just for the sake of perception. The need to have certain percentages just for the SAKE OF PERCENTAGES.

Women assistant coaches for instance in the NFL......if women really want to coach in the NFL, that's fine....they just need to be good and be willing to do everything as well as or better than a man.

As one black friend told me the other night, he thinks owners don't hire black coaches because "they don't look like them, can't relate". Ok, maybe that's a possibility.

But is that racism? That would mean that if you chose not to befriend many black people in your personal life that you're racist as well.

Preferences have now been equated to bigotry.

Nothing is so crystal clear. Unless you can be a fly on the wall in 32 boardrooms, 32 homes, 32 cell phone texts, 32 cell phone phone calls, etc...you're never going to know the truth.

Giants owner Mara supposedly wanted Flores and only reason Flores didn't become head coach is because Mara deferred to his new GM Schoen who wanted Daboll. This is the sorta thing we'd want out of Jed York if it was the same scenario.

Oh, the irony.

If it were just the Rooney rule I might accept that argument. The latest rule, which I really like, offering incentives to develop minority candidates is clearly an acknowledgement that minority candidates are not treated fairly.

No one is manufacturing equality, if that were the case there would be more than 2 minority coaches out of 32, what they are doing is trying to manufacture out inequality.

The bolded comment is the most frustrating for me because that is what EVERYONE wants.

The simple fact in the NFL, and to be honest pretty much the world, is that if you are black, female, transgender, poor, homosexual or whatever else you have to be better at what you do than a middle-upper class white male to get anywhere.

It's worse in the NFL because not only do you have to be better, you have to continually perform at that higher level in order to keep your job AND you are much less likely to get a 2nd chance.

Imo, it falls back on ZERO Black owners in the NFL. There are a bunch of Rich Black folks. You tell me they couldn't get one to buy the Panthers when they were on sale?

Broncos are on sale right now. We'll see what happens right?

But by having Black owners....then there's a better chance things would be kept in check. Qualified Coaches, and players would have at least one place where they know they get a fair look. And that's all they ask.

I agree and from what I know there's nothing stopping a black person from buying a team. I could be wrong on that though.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Imo, it falls back on ZERO Black owners in the NFL. There are wealthy Black folks with backing, who have wanted to own teams. You tell me they couldn't get one to buy the Panthers when they were on sale?

Broncos are on sale right now. We'll see what happens right?

But by having Black owners....then there's a better chance things would be kept in check. Qualified Coaches, and players would have at least one place where they know they get a fair look. And that's all they ask.

Tepper paid a record amount for the Panthers. That's the only colour that matters....green.
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
If the NFL has no problem with the hiring and firing of black and minority coaches, why does it need not one, but two rules to improve said process?

The NFL are openly admitting unfairness, but then staunchly defend an accusation of said unfairness before even hearing the details of the allegation.

The NFL is doing that because of political pressure, or because of virtue signaling.

I'm all for the best candidates to get the job. If it means it's a 50/50 white/black HC split, so be it..........20/80 white black, whatever.

What I hate is this idea of MANUFACTURING equality just for the sake of perception. The need to have certain percentages just for the SAKE OF PERCENTAGES.

Women assistant coaches for instance in the NFL......if women really want to coach in the NFL, that's fine....they just need to be good and be willing to do everything as well as or better than a man.

As one black friend told me the other night, he thinks owners don't hire black coaches because "they don't look like them, can't relate". Ok, maybe that's a possibility.

But is that racism? That would mean that if you chose not to befriend many black people in your personal life that you're racist as well.

Preferences have now been equated to bigotry.

Nothing is so crystal clear. Unless you can be a fly on the wall in 32 boardrooms, 32 homes, 32 cell phone texts, 32 cell phone phone calls, etc...you're never going to know the truth.

Giants owner Mara supposedly wanted Flores and only reason Flores didn't become head coach is because Mara deferred to his new GM Schoen who wanted Daboll. This is the sorta thing we'd want out of Jed York if it was the same scenario.

Oh, the irony.

If it were just the Rooney rule I might accept that argument. The latest rule, which I really like, offering incentives to develop minority candidates is clearly an acknowledgement that minority candidates are not treated fairly.

No one is manufacturing equality, if that were the case there would be more than 2 minority coaches out of 32, what they are doing is trying to manufacture out inequality.

The bolded comment is the most frustrating for me because that is what EVERYONE wants.

The simple fact in the NFL, and to be honest pretty much the world, is that if you are black, female, transgender, poor, homosexual or whatever else you have to be better at what you do than a middle-upper class white male to get anywhere.

It's worse in the NFL because not only do you have to be better, you have to continually perform at that higher level in order to keep your job AND you are much less likely to get a 2nd chance.

Imo, it falls back on ZERO Black owners in the NFL. There are a bunch of Rich Black folks. You tell me they couldn't get one to buy the Panthers when they were on sale?

Broncos are on sale right now. We'll see what happens right?

But by having Black owners....then there's a better chance things would be kept in check. Qualified Coaches, and players would have at least one place where they know they get a fair look. And that's all they ask.

I agree and from what I know there's nothing stopping a black person from buying a team. I could be wrong on that though.

"Any prospective change in ownership must also be approved by a league vote, and that's where things can get nebulous. Basically, a new owner is petitioning 31 other individuals for inclusion into one of the world's most exclusive clubs."

And it's mostly old white men.

I have no issues with old white men.. I wanted a old white man as President (Bernie Sanders) when folks wanted established democrats..be it young, white, black, a woman, or a Openly Gay Politician.
[ Edited by Afrikan on Feb 4, 2022 at 4:15 PM ]
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