Brian Flores files discrimination lawsuit against Giants, Dolphins and the NFL.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
"Any prospective change in ownership must also be approved by a league vote, and that's where things can get nebulous. Basically, a new owner is petitioning 31 other individuals for inclusion into one of the world's most exclusive clubs."

And it's mostly old white men.

I have no issues with old white men.. I wanted a old white man as President (Bernie Sanders) when folks wanted established democrats..be it young, white, black, a woman, or a Openly Gay Politician.

And this is why I think only congressional pressure, legislation, and the removal of their anti-trust exemption will force change on the NFL. The only other thing that can force change are the players, in particular the Black players.

Which brings me to some criticism of the Black NFL players . . . . .

These owners operate the way that they do against Black players and Black coaches is because Black players (and to a lesser degree Black coaches) tolerates it. If Black free agents boycott the Dolphins until a change in ownership and change in hiring practices (and be verbal as to why), I guarantee you that movement in the real change direction will begin. But do I expect the Black NFL players to do even that? NOPE!! I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect different.

Black NFL players and coaches, understand this: nobody is going to save you, not even God! He only helps those willing to help themselves. Sure Black folks like myself will always speak on your behalf, but only YOU can force the change you know you deserve. The NFL owners have an insidiously low opinion of you, and their actions continue to express that opinion. They have CLEARLY drawn a line in the sand at the head coaching position. They've grown tolerant of the Black QB. But with the exception of the Rooney's the owners are not at all comfortable with seeing a Black man running their team as HC. They clearly do not want the chance for another Tony Dungy or Mike Tomlin. This is why they are avoiding Eric Bieniemy and Byron Leftwich like the plague. Those two Black coaches will do serious damage to that whole "white superiority" thing that they're jealously holding dear to. These owners would sooner lose every game rather than see another Black man winning the SB as a HC. Accept it, get right with it, and go about the business of affecting their bottom line because NO, you're NOT changing their "hearts and minds" (@Brian Flores). However, you can change their actions. But if you're not willing to force the change you need then get use to being viewed as the late Bob McNair viewed you, get use to continued OPEN racial discrimination when it comes to hiring HC's, and enjoy that one Black HC you do have while you have him. Because unless and until you're willing to use the one power you have that they depend on, Brain Flores will be yet another wasted opportunity for REAL change.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't think Vance Joseph deserves another job. But Anthony Lynn not getting another job is a f**king embarrassment

Kyle lookin out

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
And this is why I think only congressional pressure, legislation, and the removal of their anti-trust exemption will force change on the NFL. The only other thing that can force change are the players, in particular the Black players.

Which brings me to some criticism of the Black NFL players . . . . .

These owners operate the way that they do against Black players and Black coaches is because Black players (and to a lesser degree Black coaches) tolerates it. If Black free agents boycott the Dolphins until a change in ownership and change in hiring practices (and be verbal as to why), I guarantee you that movement in the real change direction will begin. But do I expect the Black NFL players to do even that? NOPE!! I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect different.

Black NFL players and coaches, understand this: nobody is going to save you, not even God! He only helps those willing to help themselves. Sure Black folks like myself will always speak on your behalf, but only YOU can force the change you know you deserve. The NFL owners have an insidiously low opinion of you, and their actions continue to express that opinion. They have CLEARLY drawn a line in the sand at the head coaching position. They've grown tolerant of the Black QB. But with the exception of the Rooney's the owners are not at all comfortable with seeing a Black man running their team as HC. They clearly do not want the chance for another Tony Dungy or Mike Tomlin. This is why they are avoiding Eric Bieniemy and Byron Leftwich like the plague. Those two Black coaches will do serious damage to that whole "white superiority" thing that they're jealously holding dear to. These owners would sooner lose every game rather than see another Black man winning the SB as a HC. Accept it, get right with it, and go about the business of affecting their bottom line because NO, you're NOT changing their "hearts and minds" (@Brian Flores). However, you can change their actions. But if you're not willing to force the change you need then get use to being viewed as the late Bob McNair viewed you, get use to continued OPEN racial discrimination when it comes to hiring HC's, and enjoy that one Black HC you do have while you have him. Because unless and until you're willing to use the one power you have that they depend on, Brain Flores will be yet another wasted opportunity for REAL change.

Well, it was a shambles when only white guys got to play qb. I remember when the likes of Williams, Moon and Cunningham bust that door wide open. And now I see quite a few assistants are black, which I like. It may not be moving at the speed people want, but it is at least moving. I think Lynn will get another head coaching position after a year or two learning with Shanahan and the profusion of black assistants will bring change to the HC position, over time. Regarding owners, that I guess is a matter for another lifetime. With sufficient black HC's and GM's, the colour of the wizened old guys doesn't really matter to me. Personally I would like to see more teams owned on a mutual basis, on account of so many of the owners are objectionable characters like Snyder.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
"Any prospective change in ownership must also be approved by a league vote, and that's where things can get nebulous. Basically, a new owner is petitioning 31 other individuals for inclusion into one of the world's most exclusive clubs."

And it's mostly old white men.

I have no issues with old white men.. I wanted a old white man as President (Bernie Sanders) when folks wanted established democrats..be it young, white, black, a woman, or a Openly Gay Politician.

And this is why I think only congressional pressure, legislation, and the removal of their anti-trust exemption will force change on the NFL. The only other thing that can force change are the players, in particular the Black players.

Which brings me to some criticism of the Black NFL players . . . . .

These owners operate the way that they do against Black players and Black coaches is because Black players (and to a lesser degree Black coaches) tolerates it. If Black free agents boycott the Dolphins until a change in ownership and change in hiring practices (and be verbal as to why), I guarantee you that movement in the real change direction will begin. But do I expect the Black NFL players to do even that? NOPE!! I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect different.

Black NFL players and coaches, understand this: nobody is going to save you, not even God! He only helps those willing to help themselves. Sure Black folks like myself will always speak on your behalf, but only YOU can force the change you know you deserve. The NFL owners have an insidiously low opinion of you, and their actions continue to express that opinion. They have CLEARLY drawn a line in the sand at the head coaching position. They've grown tolerant of the Black QB. But with the exception of the Rooney's the owners are not at all comfortable with seeing a Black man running their team as HC. They clearly do not want the chance for another Tony Dungy or Mike Tomlin. This is why they are avoiding Eric Bieniemy and Byron Leftwich like the plague. Those two Black coaches will do serious damage to that whole "white superiority" thing that they're jealously holding dear to. These owners would sooner lose every game rather than see another Black man winning the SB as a HC. Accept it, get right with it, and go about the business of affecting their bottom line because NO, you're NOT changing their "hearts and minds" (@Brian Flores). However, you can change their actions. But if you're not willing to force the change you need then get use to being viewed as the late Bob McNair viewed you, get use to continued OPEN racial discrimination when it comes to hiring HC's, and enjoy that one Black HC you do have while you have him. Because unless and until you're willing to use the one power you have that they depend on, Brain Flores will be yet another wasted opportunity for REAL change.

I'm almost with you, but I don't think it's quite as extreme as that. In the NFL, like life, you'll still get there if you're clearly better than everyone else. It's not equal, but the cream will rise to the top eventually.

I also disagree that it's on the Black players and coaches, it's on everyone.

The league should have taken notice of Bruce Arians, but even in fairness to him he wasn't as outspoken about it as he could have been.

When good white people speak about racism or report racism, then undecided white people will join in. Then the racist, bias or prejudiced practices will improve.

You can't change all minds, but you only need to change the majority.

That's what has forced racists underground, it's no longer socially acceptable.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Your post was almost perfect. I just wish you would have said: Women assistant coaches for instance in the NFL......if women really want to coach in the NFL, that's fine....they just need to be good and be willing to do everything possible and be in the top tier of knowledge and stand with other top tier candidates. If we take the man and woman out of it it matches the rest of your post nicely. Just talk candidates over race, gender etc.

By the way, I agree with your post.

You were correct for your edits, and thank you

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Hue Jackson: I was never offered money to lose. https://t.co/Jsdx5V5rvS

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) February 5, 2022

This clown is only hurting, not helping Flores.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Hue Jackson: I was never offered money to lose. https://t.co/Jsdx5V5rvS

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) February 5, 2022

This clown is only hurting, not helping Flores.

+1

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Hue Jackson: I was never offered money to lose. https://t.co/Jsdx5V5rvS

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) February 5, 2022

This clown is only hurting, not helping Flores.

+1

Yall two want to explain why he's a clown?

He's keeping to the same story as his ESPN interview.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
And this is why I think only congressional pressure, legislation, and the removal of their anti-trust exemption will force change on the NFL. The only other thing that can force change are the players, in particular the Black players.

Which brings me to some criticism of the Black NFL players . . . . .

These owners operate the way that they do against Black players and Black coaches is because Black players (and to a lesser degree Black coaches) tolerates it. If Black free agents boycott the Dolphins until a change in ownership and change in hiring practices (and be verbal as to why), I guarantee you that movement in the real change direction will begin. But do I expect the Black NFL players to do even that? NOPE!! I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect different.

Black NFL players and coaches, understand this: nobody is going to save you, not even God! He only helps those willing to help themselves. Sure Black folks like myself will always speak on your behalf, but only YOU can force the change you know you deserve. The NFL owners have an insidiously low opinion of you, and their actions continue to express that opinion. They have CLEARLY drawn a line in the sand at the head coaching position. They've grown tolerant of the Black QB. But with the exception of the Rooney's the owners are not at all comfortable with seeing a Black man running their team as HC. They clearly do not want the chance for another Tony Dungy or Mike Tomlin. This is why they are avoiding Eric Bieniemy and Byron Leftwich like the plague. Those two Black coaches will do serious damage to that whole "white superiority" thing that they're jealously holding dear to. These owners would sooner lose every game rather than see another Black man winning the SB as a HC. Accept it, get right with it, and go about the business of affecting their bottom line because NO, you're NOT changing their "hearts and minds" (@Brian Flores). However, you can change their actions. But if you're not willing to force the change you need then get use to being viewed as the late Bob McNair viewed you, get use to continued OPEN racial discrimination when it comes to hiring HC's, and enjoy that one Black HC you do have while you have him. Because unless and until you're willing to use the one power you have that they depend on, Brain Flores will be yet another wasted opportunity for REAL change.

Well, it was a shambles when only white guys got to play qb. I remember when the likes of Williams, Moon and Cunningham bust that door wide open. And now I see quite a few assistants are black, which I like. It may not be moving at the speed people want, but it is at least moving. I think Lynn will get another head coaching position after a year or two learning with Shanahan and the profusion of black assistants will bring change to the HC position, over time. Regarding owners, that I guess is a matter for another lifetime. With sufficient black HC's and GM's, the colour of the wizened old guys doesn't really matter to me. Personally I would like to see more teams owned on a mutual basis, on account of so many of the owners are objectionable characters like Snyder.

Now that is a great idea. Though, I think it'll take legislation because the owners will never go for it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Hue Jackson: I was never offered money to lose. https://t.co/Jsdx5V5rvS

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) February 5, 2022

Keep in mind that Huge Jackson did say that he has documentation on this, and that he took it to the league office but they did nothing about it.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
"Any prospective change in ownership must also be approved by a league vote, and that's where things can get nebulous. Basically, a new owner is petitioning 31 other individuals for inclusion into one of the world's most exclusive clubs."

And it's mostly old white men.

I have no issues with old white men.. I wanted a old white man as President (Bernie Sanders) when folks wanted established democrats..be it young, white, black, a woman, or a Openly Gay Politician.

And this is why I think only congressional pressure, legislation, and the removal of their anti-trust exemption will force change on the NFL. The only other thing that can force change are the players, in particular the Black players.

Which brings me to some criticism of the Black NFL players . . . . .

These owners operate the way that they do against Black players and Black coaches is because Black players (and to a lesser degree Black coaches) tolerates it. If Black free agents boycott the Dolphins until a change in ownership and change in hiring practices (and be verbal as to why), I guarantee you that movement in the real change direction will begin. But do I expect the Black NFL players to do even that? NOPE!! I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect different.

Black NFL players and coaches, understand this: nobody is going to save you, not even God! He only helps those willing to help themselves. Sure Black folks like myself will always speak on your behalf, but only YOU can force the change you know you deserve. The NFL owners have an insidiously low opinion of you, and their actions continue to express that opinion. They have CLEARLY drawn a line in the sand at the head coaching position. They've grown tolerant of the Black QB. But with the exception of the Rooney's the owners are not at all comfortable with seeing a Black man running their team as HC. They clearly do not want the chance for another Tony Dungy or Mike Tomlin. This is why they are avoiding Eric Bieniemy and Byron Leftwich like the plague. Those two Black coaches will do serious damage to that whole "white superiority" thing that they're jealously holding dear to. These owners would sooner lose every game rather than see another Black man winning the SB as a HC. Accept it, get right with it, and go about the business of affecting their bottom line because NO, you're NOT changing their "hearts and minds" (@Brian Flores). However, you can change their actions. But if you're not willing to force the change you need then get use to being viewed as the late Bob McNair viewed you, get use to continued OPEN racial discrimination when it comes to hiring HC's, and enjoy that one Black HC you do have while you have him. Because unless and until you're willing to use the one power you have that they depend on, Brain Flores will be yet another wasted opportunity for REAL change.

I'm almost with you, but I don't think it's quite as extreme as that. In the NFL, like life, you'll still get there if you're clearly better than everyone else. It's not equal, but the cream will rise to the top eventually.

I also disagree that it's on the Black players and coaches, it's on everyone.

The league should have taken notice of Bruce Arians, but even in fairness to him he wasn't as outspoken about it as he could have been.

When good white people speak about racism or report racism, then undecided white people will join in. Then the racist, bias or prejudiced practices will improve.

You can't change all minds, but you only need to change the majority.

That's what has forced racists underground, it's no longer socially acceptable.

If you're referring to the players you have a golden point If you're referring to the NFL as a whole that second sentence invalidates everything your entire statement.
The problem with the "it's on everyone" is that, respectfully, it's meaningless platitudes. It not on everyone because everyone isn't being adversely affected by the NFL's openly discriminatory practices. It's Black men. So until I see other demographics equally affected in this respect as Black players I'll continue to say it's on Black players. When Black high school coaches can become the front runner for an NFL HC candidate perhaps then I'll say "it's on everyone.

When good white people speak about racism or report racism, then undecided white people will join in. Then the racist, bias or prejudiced practices will improve.

You know, that statement reminds me of Dr. King's "burning house" analogy. Plus, he had a lot to say about whites who stand by and do nothing. Essentially, it relys on appealing to an aspect of humanity in white America that they consciously reserve only for themselves. (Not a judgement, just an observation.) Your statement assumes way too much with nothing empirical to base that assumption on. I think even Dr. King, in his later years, began to question the feasibility of changing "hearts and minds", in particular the hearts and minds of the majority of white America, or even a "critical mass".

Racist didn't get forced underground. At best they were forced to take the dunce hats and white robs off and put them in the closet, and limit their racist discussions to the dinner tables and private board rooms. And if it wasn't acceptable then we would not be having this conversation.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
"Any prospective change in ownership must also be approved by a league vote, and that's where things can get nebulous. Basically, a new owner is petitioning 31 other individuals for inclusion into one of the world's most exclusive clubs."

And it's mostly old white men.

I have no issues with old white men.. I wanted a old white man as President (Bernie Sanders) when folks wanted established democrats..be it young, white, black, a woman, or a Openly Gay Politician.

And this is why I think only congressional pressure, legislation, and the removal of their anti-trust exemption will force change on the NFL. The only other thing that can force change are the players, in particular the Black players.

Which brings me to some criticism of the Black NFL players . . . . .

These owners operate the way that they do against Black players and Black coaches is because Black players (and to a lesser degree Black coaches) tolerates it. If Black free agents boycott the Dolphins until a change in ownership and change in hiring practices (and be verbal as to why), I guarantee you that movement in the real change direction will begin. But do I expect the Black NFL players to do even that? NOPE!! I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect different.

Black NFL players and coaches, understand this: nobody is going to save you, not even God! He only helps those willing to help themselves. Sure Black folks like myself will always speak on your behalf, but only YOU can force the change you know you deserve. The NFL owners have an insidiously low opinion of you, and their actions continue to express that opinion. They have CLEARLY drawn a line in the sand at the head coaching position. They've grown tolerant of the Black QB. But with the exception of the Rooney's the owners are not at all comfortable with seeing a Black man running their team as HC. They clearly do not want the chance for another Tony Dungy or Mike Tomlin. This is why they are avoiding Eric Bieniemy and Byron Leftwich like the plague. Those two Black coaches will do serious damage to that whole "white superiority" thing that they're jealously holding dear to. These owners would sooner lose every game rather than see another Black man winning the SB as a HC. Accept it, get right with it, and go about the business of affecting their bottom line because NO, you're NOT changing their "hearts and minds" (@Brian Flores). However, you can change their actions. But if you're not willing to force the change you need then get use to being viewed as the late Bob McNair viewed you, get use to continued OPEN racial discrimination when it comes to hiring HC's, and enjoy that one Black HC you do have while you have him. Because unless and until you're willing to use the one power you have that they depend on, Brain Flores will be yet another wasted opportunity for REAL change.

I'm almost with you, but I don't think it's quite as extreme as that. In the NFL, like life, you'll still get there if you're clearly better than everyone else. It's not equal, but the cream will rise to the top eventually.

I also disagree that it's on the Black players and coaches, it's on everyone.

The league should have taken notice of Bruce Arians, but even in fairness to him he wasn't as outspoken about it as he could have been.

When good white people speak about racism or report racism, then undecided white people will join in. Then the racist, bias or prejudiced practices will improve.

You can't change all minds, but you only need to change the majority.

That's what has forced racists underground, it's no longer socially acceptable.

If you're referring to the players you have a golden point If you're referring to the NFL as a whole that second sentence invalidates everything your entire statement.
The problem with the "it's on everyone" is that, respectfully, it's meaningless platitudes. It not on everyone because everyone isn't being adversely affected by the NFL's openly discriminatory practices. It's Black men. So until I see other demographics equally affected in this respect as Black players I'll continue to say it's on Black players. When Black high school coaches can become the front runner for an NFL HC candidate perhaps then I'll say "it's on everyone.

When good white people speak about racism or report racism, then undecided white people will join in. Then the racist, bias or prejudiced practices will improve.

You know, that statement reminds me of Dr. King's "burning house" analogy. Plus, he had a lot to say about whites who stand by and do nothing. Essentially, it relys on appealing to an aspect of humanity in white America that they consciously reserve only for themselves. (Not a judgement, just an observation.) Your statement assumes way too much with nothing empirical to base that assumption on. I think even Dr. King, in his later years, began to question the feasibility of changing "hearts and minds", in particular the hearts and minds of the majority of white America, or even a "critical mass".

Racist didn't get forced underground. At best they were forced to take the dunce hats and white robs off and put them in the closet, and limit their racist discussions to the dinner tables and private board rooms. And if it wasn't acceptable then we would not be having this conversation.

I hear you, by "it's on everyone" I mean that it's on everyone to take a stand.

I truly believe that if you are head and shoulders better at anything you'll succeed. Sure they'll be those who still won't consider you, but plenty will. I'd love to live in the world where in a 50/50 decision you choose the black candidate. I think we're closer to 70/30.

I think it is underground, which is why people (inc NFL owners) have to be subtle with their racism, there's definitely more work to be done, but progress has been made. Hopefully plenty will join this class action and they'll be a positive change in the NFL.

MIA covering their token interview with McDaniel.

Won't go to court, lol

Here's the relevant language, directly from another head coach's contract: "[Coach] agrees that . . . all matters in dispute between [Coach] and Club, including without limitation any dispute arising from the terms of this Agreement, shall be referred to the NFL Commissioner or a Commissioner-appointed representative for the NFL for binding arbitration, and the decision shall be accepted as final, conclusive and unappealable."