Brian Flores files discrimination lawsuit against Giants, Dolphins and the NFL.

Originally posted by RDB4216:
Flores must have gone to the Colin Kaepernick School Of Stupid. Even played the "this lawsuit may risk my coaching career" card, just like Kap. The Giants held a second interview with Leslie Frazier. If they were just trying to fulfill the requirements of the Rooney Rule, there would have been no point in a second interview. Shocking that a head coach with a losing record and no playoff appearances wasn't the first choice! Cover up mediocrity with racist allegations - it is the Kaepernick way!

The Rooney Rule says you have to interview multiple diversity hires so your reasoning here is sus.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by boast:
Leslie Frazier and Patrick Graham were interviewed before Flores. Frazier even had a second interview.

the Dolphins stuff is damning tho. Ross should be forced out of the league.

This. The Dolphins stuff is crazy. Ross needs to GTFO.

I'd wait before passing judgment on Ross. Can the allegation be proved in a court of law beyond a resonable doubt? Is that instruction to "tank" written down anywhere? A text? An email? A letter? Is there a paper trail to follow?

If it's just a "he said" and "he said," it's going to be dang hard to prove in a court of law.

Not that I'm in love with Ross.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
I'd wait before passing judgment on Ross. Can the allegation be proved in a court of law beyond a resonable doubt? Is that instruction to "tank" written down anywhere? A text? An email? A letter? Is there a paper trail to follow?

If it's just a "he said" and "he said," it's going to be dang hard to prove in a court of law.

Not that I'm in love with Ross.

It's a really bizarre thing to make up if not true. Yeah it's got to be proved but I believe it.

sooooo can we get our picks from Miami lol

Originally posted by RasSuar:

Originally posted by RDB4216:
Flores must have gone to the Colin Kaepernick School Of Stupid. Even played the "this lawsuit may risk my coaching career" card, just like Kap. The Giants held a second interview with Leslie Frazier. If they were just trying to fulfill the requirements of the Rooney Rule, there would have been no point in a second interview. Shocking that a head coach with a losing record and no playoff appearances wasn't the first choice! Cover up mediocrity with racist allegations - it is the Kaepernick way!

The Rooney Rule says you have to interview multiple diversity hires so your reasoning here is sus.

Read it again. Slower, this time.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by RDB4216:
Flores must have gone to the Colin Kaepernick School Of Stupid. Even played the "this lawsuit may risk my coaching career" card, just like Kap. The Giants held a second interview with Leslie Frazier. If they were just trying to fulfill the requirements of the Rooney Rule, there would have been no point in a second interview. Shocking that a head coach with a losing record and no playoff appearances wasn't the first choice! Cover up mediocrity with racist allegations - it is the Kaepernick way!

Small problem dog, he was 24-25 in Miami WITHOUT a FQB. That's not exactly mediocrity.

Without a FQB, it's going to be tough to win many games.

I respect him for not tanking but he set the dophins back a decade by not tanking for burrow. An already good team defense with Joe burrow would've made them instant contenders. Prolly reason alone to be fired

What I find most difficult to believe is the level of denial that owners, who are 95% white and who lived during the days of segregation, would not treat black people less favourably.

Now, it is difficult to separate out and out racism, with bias that may even be unconscious, but it's undeniably present in the league.

The simple fact is that you have to be better than a white person to get, or to keep, a job. The NFL is not alone in this. Until people start acknowledging that things will never change.

I applaud Flores for taking a stand, but I'm not sure his timing is great. The Giants were always going for Daboll once they hired the Bills Asst GM. Now they have to interview other candidates to show fairness, and yes to comply with the Rooney rule, but they had made up their minds, and is that wrong?

People are foolish to bring up Flores' overall record, that Dolphins team in his first year is the worst I've ever seen and every win should be counted at least double.

Flores will also struggle to show that Ross treated him less favourably as Grier is also Black, if this was a Baalke/Harbaugh power struggle deal then the firing is legit, if it's based on performance then it absolutely is not.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
What I find most difficult to believe is the level of denial that owners, who are 95% white and who lived during the days of segregation, would not treat black people less favourably.

Now, it is difficult to separate out and out racism, with bias that may even be unconscious but it's undeniably present in the league.

The simple fact is that you have to be better than a white person to get, or to keep, a job. The NFL is not alone in this. Until people start acknowledging that things will never change.

I applaud Flores for taking a stand, but I'm not sure his timing is great. The Giants we're always going for Daboll once they hired the Bills Asst GM. Now they have to hire other candidates to show fairness, and yes to comply with the Rooney rule, but they had made up their minds, and is that wrong?

People are foolish to bring up Flores' overall record, that Dolphins team in his first year is the worst I've ever seen and every win should be counted at least double.

Flores will also struggle to show that Ross treated him less favorably as Grier is also Black, if this was a Baalke/Harbaugh power struggle deal then the firing is legit, if it's based on performance then it absolutely is not.

That's my thought process, sounds like there was major turmoil between Grier and Flores. Harbaugh essentially was shown the door despite his accolades. It's not always win-loss based.

None of this is to say that Flores doesn't have a case. Everything is speculation at this point. Some serious allegations against multiple teams

Originally posted by Jubwub88:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by RDB4216:
Flores must have gone to the Colin Kaepernick School Of Stupid. Even played the "this lawsuit may risk my coaching career" card, just like Kap. The Giants held a second interview with Leslie Frazier. If they were just trying to fulfill the requirements of the Rooney Rule, there would have been no point in a second interview. Shocking that a head coach with a losing record and no playoff appearances wasn't the first choice! Cover up mediocrity with racist allegations - it is the Kaepernick way!

Small problem dog, he was 24-25 in Miami WITHOUT a FQB. That's not exactly mediocrity.

Without a FQB, it's going to be tough to win many games.

I respect him for not tanking but he set the dophins back a decade by not tanking for burrow. An already good team defense with Joe burrow would've made them instant contenders. Prolly reason alone to be fired

He didn't set them back 10 years at all. IMO their GM did when he selected Tua while Flores wanted Herbert. Right now Tua does not appear to be the long-term answer meanwhile Herbert does... only for the Chargers.

I see EVERYONE is outraged & yet I have yet to see one good solution. Very few jobs filled where you go WTF when it comes to who a team is hiring. Ironically David Culley was one of those WTF hires. You aren't seeing these cant miss black coaches being passed over for average white coaches. I mean I guess you could hire an B- candidate who is black over a A- candidate who is white and black candidate could turn out to be better. Coaching hiring is kind of a crap shoot... But that doesn't seem like a good way to hire the person who gives your team the best chance to win. I think really the only solution is to start having teams hire more black coaches on the offensive side of the ball. Seems like most black coaches up for jobs are on the defensive side of the ball and we are in an increasingly offensive league. As for Eric Bieniemy, the rumors are he isn't interviewing well and might not have a great plan in place for his staff. Brian Daboll seemed like a lock last year to get a head coaching job and was passed over. Something has to be up other then just not hiring a black coach since we have seen many black coaches getting 2nd interviews this cycle & he hasn't gotten one interview.

NFL has a nepotism problem not a racism problem.

Flores' own staff wasn't any more diverse than the average NFL coaching staff and key positions on the staff were white guys. The job is just too high risk to gamble on hiring guys you're not familiar with based on their resumes so guys fill their staffs with people they either know or know someone that knows them and can vouch for them. You only really see head coaches gamble on unknowns when it comes to low level positions like the quality control coach.

The Rooney Rule is ineffective because it's not hitting on the root of the problem and that's getting more minorities into coaching especially on offensive side of the ball which is where most teams are looking at for a new head coach.

My suggestion would be for the NFL to do something like an offseason get together for coaches of all teams and maybe a list of qualified potential coaches (like former players) so they can mingle, talk football, form some friendships, and get some more connections going so you have more guys in that pool that know each other.

Now I do think the seeds are there right now it's just going to take some time for them to blossom. We're seeing more black QBs than we ever have had and eventually some of those guys might become QB coaches which is usually who gets the first look at being an offensive coordinator when it comes time to promote and in turn they'll get looks when it comes head coaching time.

One of the complaints filed is that Ross wanted to pay $100,000 to Flores for every loss in 2019 to tank? If that is true, then isn't Flores somewhat complicit in this, since he still coached the team for another two full years, through the 2021 season? If he felt that this was so egregious, shouldn't he made this claim back then, or turned in his resignation?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
What I find most difficult to believe is the level of denial that owners, who are 95% white and who lived during the days of segregation, would not treat black people less favourably.

Now, it is difficult to separate out and out racism, with bias that may even be unconscious, but it's undeniably present in the league.

The simple fact is that you have to be better than a white person to get, or to keep, a job. The NFL is not alone in this. Until people start acknowledging that things will never change.

I applaud Flores for taking a stand, but I'm not sure his timing is great. The Giants were always going for Daboll once they hired the Bills Asst GM. Now they have to interview other candidates to show fairness, and yes to comply with the Rooney rule, but they had made up their minds, and is that wrong?

People are foolish to bring up Flores' overall record, that Dolphins team in his first year is the worst I've ever seen and every win should be counted at least double.

Flores will also struggle to show that Ross treated him less favourably as Grier is also Black, if this was a Baalke/Harbaugh power struggle deal then the firing is legit, if it's based on performance then it absolutely is not.

Crazy to think someone has to be better than someone to get a job or keep a job.
208 million salary cap with 75% of that money going to minorities.
Truth is the league is a copy cat offensive league.
Everyone wants what's successful mcvay, shanny, lafleaur, Taylor.
If the young minority coaches start having more success it will trickle down league wide.

Real problem is nfl making the league so offensive leaning and the qb position imo too important.
Most of upcoming minority coaches are on the defensive side.

He's going to get the Kaepernick treatment