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Originally posted by Cisco0623:
It really is roulette with a QB, but almost everyone needs one so this is how it goes.
Personally I don't think Caleb is anything amazing, no more than Fields tbh. Maybe marginally better?
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Seriously? That is stupid. Do that trade and take Harrison jr. or dangle him to the Cards and step back again. Now looking at #4 and #9 to get your young QB a talented OL/weapon or go get a QB you like end of 1st.
You can dangle #2 to the Vikings for their QB choice.
#5 from LAC for Harrison jr.
The sheer amount of bites at talent they can get is insane. The Commanders' '25 pick will likely be a top 10 again, maybe even both. And bring in a rookie QB with no reliable talent or protection, will likely be a failure.
I might be on board if it was JUST next years 1st, throw in '26 2nd and i am calling the trade in.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by krizay:
Just read the Bears turned down #2 a 2025 1st and a 2026 1st for Caleb Williams essentially.
That's FN insane to turn that down
This is what I have been talking about. The top of the draft is more highly regarded than those picks are actually worth. I mean this pick literally came from Carolina, a team that moved up to pick 1 last year, took what appears to be as of now a dud, and lost this #1 pick C Williams pick, which is now worth a fortune.
It really is roulette with a QB, but almost everyone needs one so this is how it goes.
Personally I don't think Caleb is anything amazing, no more than Fields tbh. Maybe marginally better?
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Correct it is a roulette. Recall Z Wilson and T Lance were judged as better than Fields. Fields has probably done more so far than they maybe ever will. Pick 1 may even give you the highest ROI if one looks historically, but that doesn't mean it's worth the price of admission. If CHI can get pick 2 and future ones, okay that's way more ROI than pick 1, historically.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Correct it is a roulette. Recall Z Wilson and T Lance were judged as better than Fields. Fields has probably done more so far than they maybe ever will. Pick 1 may even give you the highest ROI if one looks historically, but that doesn't mean it's worth the price of admission. If CHI can get pick 2 and future ones, okay that's way more ROI than pick 1, historically.
Not in terms of the QB position (or really any others) it isn't.
Besides, there is no price of admission for Chicago. They currently hold the pick.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
There is always price of admission it's called opportunity cost.
so i guess he gets cut in August instead of April now, lol
Originally posted by 91til:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39916756/chiefs-rashee-rice-facing-8-charges-relation-high-speed-wreck
article says Rice was driving the Lambo and someone named Theodore Knox (not our Danny Gray) was driving the Corvette
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
There is always price of admission it's called opportunity cost.
But you can't assess opportunity cost in any terms beyond historical data (where you're definitely mistaken) until you see the results of the specific picks involved years down the road.
Hit on a franchise QB with that 1st pick and the value crushes what you gain in a trade unless you also happen to land a franchise QB with one of those picks (which again, historically, is much less likely to happen).
This is why such a trade is so expensive!
Originally posted by 91til:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39916756/chiefs-rashee-rice-facing-8-charges-relation-high-speed-wreck
article says Rice was driving the Lambo and someone named Theodore Knox (not our Danny Gray) was driving the Corvette
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
OJ passed away from cancer. Ended up as tragic figure after his trials and prison time but was still one of the 2 greatest running backs I ever saw in college of pros. I was at the USC-Stanford game that was close until Simpson broke a 64 yard TD run.
RIP is often used for people when they die. It is especially appropriate for him. OJ must have really been tormented in is later years after his fall from grace. He was one of the most popular people in the country until his wife's murder.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
OJ passed away from cancer. Ended up as tragic figure after his trials and prison time but was still one of the 2 greatest running backs I ever saw in college of pros. I was at the USC-Stanford game that was close until Simpson broke a 64 yard TD run.
RIP is often used for people when they die. It is especially appropriate for him. OJ must have really been tormented in is later years after his fall from grace. He was one of the most popular people in the country until his wife's murder.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
It really is roulette with a QB, but almost everyone needs one so this is how it goes.
Personally I don't think Caleb is anything amazing, no more than Fields tbh. Maybe marginally better?
Lol, he's a much better prospect than Fields. The passing ability is miles apart and so is the pocket awareness and capacity to read defenses.
Originally posted by Howlett49:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
There is always price of admission it's called opportunity cost.
But you can't assess opportunity cost in any terms beyond historical data (where you're definitely mistaken) until you see the results of the specific picks involved years down the road.
Hit on a franchise QB with that 1st pick and the value crushes what you gain in a trade unless you also happen to land a franchise QB with one of those picks (which again, historically, is much less likely to happen).
This is why such a trade is so expensive!
No. The value to trade the pick and get the additional first rounders for the next two years is clearly the better option. You're definitely mistaken. It's your opinion, not fact. You probably shouldn't tell people they're mistaken on your opinion. IMO. Lol
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Maybe but I've seen some who think he is over hyped (can be said about anyone) but he's no trevor lawrence etc coming out. I think it was wise to move on from Fields.
Hence Roulette lol
I get it though, teams should swing big for the franchise QB. Sadly when you miss (more often than not) you're almost always done and fired, but as a fan imo its the chance they should take vs missing a top pick on other positions.
Example, Lance was a colossal miss. Purdy redeemed them. If not for Purdy the fire Kyle crowd may have had their wish already lol