NFL Breaking News Thread-2024 Edition

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This is exactly why so many teams are willing to part with #1 draft picks in favor of established players. Every year we see draft busts or 2nd and 3rd year players fizzling out after a good rookie year. It's an old saying but it's still true. You need to wait 3 years before you can evaluate a draft. Give the players time to adjust to the NFL and then for the league to adjust to the player.

This is why I wish the 9ers traded their 1st round picks for a veteran QB and not a rookie. And to top it all off they didn't even get all the way to the #1 overall pick after spending three 1st round picks.

can't trade, if you have no one to trade with

... and the 49ers drafted the best QB of the 2021 and (had he come out this year) 2022 draft classes. This will be more apparent as time passes.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This is exactly why so many teams are willing to part with #1 draft picks in favor of established players. Every year we see draft busts or 2nd and 3rd year players fizzling out after a good rookie year. It's an old saying but it's still true. You need to wait 3 years before you can evaluate a draft. Give the players time to adjust to the NFL and then for the league to adjust to the player.

This is why I wish the 9ers traded their 1st round picks for a veteran QB and not a rookie. And to top it all off they didn't even get all the way to the #1 overall pick after spending three 1st round picks.

I hadn't thought about that, we could have got Watson, Rogers, or Brady for those picks.

Hard to say our Head Coach & GM know what they are doing with QB's after watching them pass up on guys (Mahomes/Watson/L.Jackson).

Only to trade three 1st round picks for a rookie QB that they didn't even plan to start.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This is exactly why so many teams are willing to part with #1 draft picks in favor of established players. Every year we see draft busts or 2nd and 3rd year players fizzling out after a good rookie year. It's an old saying but it's still true. You need to wait 3 years before you can evaluate a draft. Give the players time to adjust to the NFL and then for the league to adjust to the player.

This is why I wish the 9ers traded their 1st round picks for a veteran QB and not a rookie. And to top it all off they didn't even get all the way to the #1 overall pick after spending three 1st round picks.

I hadn't thought about that, we could have got Watson, Rogers, or Brady for those picks.

Hard to say our Head Coach & GM know what they are doing with QB's after watching them pass up on guys (Mahomes/Watson/L.Jackson).

Only to trade three 1st round picks for a rookie QB that they didn't even plan to start.

I think they plan to start Lance next year. The pros and cons of spending 3 1st rounders on any QB is risky for different reasons for rookie vs. vet. The pro of doing it with a rookie is the cheap salary for 5 years to take full advantage of it by year 3 of their rookie contract. The con is the rookie is an unknown commodity who could be anywhere from elite to a bust. The pro of spending it on a vet is a proven commodity as an elite talent. The con is how many years the vet can play at that level and the $40+M contract tying the team down.

Originally posted by ltrain:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This is exactly why so many teams are willing to part with #1 draft picks in favor of established players. Every year we see draft busts or 2nd and 3rd year players fizzling out after a good rookie year. It's an old saying but it's still true. You need to wait 3 years before you can evaluate a draft. Give the players time to adjust to the NFL and then for the league to adjust to the player.

This is why I wish the 9ers traded their 1st round picks for a veteran QB and not a rookie. And to top it all off they didn't even get all the way to the #1 overall pick after spending three 1st round picks.

I hadn't thought about that, we could have got Watson, Rogers, or Brady for those picks.

Hard to say our Head Coach & GM know what they are doing with QB's after watching them pass up on guys (Mahomes/Watson/L.Jackson).

Only to trade three 1st round picks for a rookie QB that they didn't even plan to start.

I think they plan to start Lance next year. The pros and cons of spending 3 1st rounders on any QB is risky for different reasons for rookie vs. vet. The pro of doing it with a rookie is the cheap salary for 5 years to take full advantage of it by year 3 of their rookie contract. The con is the rookie is an unknown commodity who could be anywhere from elite to a bust. The pro of spending it on a vet is a proven commodity as an elite talent. The con is how many years the vet can play at that level and the $40+M contract tying the team down.

The Pro; would be to have a true talent evaluator that can properly evaluate QB's. Then it wouldn't matter either way. See Andy Reid who can coach a QB as well as evaluate a QB for his system. Reid can also adjust his system to the strengths of his QB.

The Con; How many years will it set us back if Tray is a bust? I would say more than usual due to the draft capital that we gave up to get him.

But if Tray is what I think he is, then he could be the steal of his draft class similar to Mahomes.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This is exactly why so many teams are willing to part with #1 draft picks in favor of established players. Every year we see draft busts or 2nd and 3rd year players fizzling out after a good rookie year. It's an old saying but it's still true. You need to wait 3 years before you can evaluate a draft. Give the players time to adjust to the NFL and then for the league to adjust to the player.

This is why I wish the 9ers traded their 1st round picks for a veteran QB and not a rookie. And to top it all off they didn't even get all the way to the #1 overall pick after spending three 1st round picks.

I hadn't thought about that, we could have got Watson, Rogers, or Brady for those picks.

Hard to say our Head Coach & GM know what they are doing with QB's after watching them pass up on guys (Mahomes/Watson/L.Jackson).

Only to trade three 1st round picks for a rookie QB that they didn't even plan to start.

You don't know that they could have had any of those guys. I doubt D+GB would make that trade. Brady at his age isn't a long term solution and Watson has some issues both legal and personal. They didn't really trade away 3 first round picks. They moved from #12 to #3 in 2021 and traded away 2022 and 2023 first rounders. One of them is pick #29 in this years weak draft so they didn't lose much.

This season is going to be a meat grinder for the AFC west and NFC west. They both have tough divisions and will beat each other up and then they have to play the other conference western division teams and beat each other up. That's 9 brutal games for each team. Even if Seattle is down this year, it's never a great place to play. It's going to be really hard for any of those 8 teams to end up with the best overall record.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
... and the 49ers drafted the best QB of the 2021 and (had he come out this year) 2022 draft classes. This will be more apparent as time passes.

ok buddy, sure.....

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
... and the 49ers drafted the best QB of the 2021 and (had he come out this year) 2022 draft classes. This will be more apparent as time passes.

ok buddy, sure.....

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
... and the 49ers drafted the best QB of the 2021 and (had he come out this year) 2022 draft classes. This will be more apparent as time passes.

ok buddy, sure.....

He's no Trubisky that's for sure

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This is exactly why so many teams are willing to part with #1 draft picks in favor of established players. Every year we see draft busts or 2nd and 3rd year players fizzling out after a good rookie year. It's an old saying but it's still true. You need to wait 3 years before you can evaluate a draft. Give the players time to adjust to the NFL and then for the league to adjust to the player.

This is why I wish the 9ers traded their 1st round picks for a veteran QB and not a rookie. And to top it all off they didn't even get all the way to the #1 overall pick after spending three 1st round picks.

It was a knee jerk reaction by Shanalynch after LA got Stafford. They would have been better off to be patient (they were gonna play Jimmy anyways in 2021), and then deal for Watson this offseason. If Watson really wants to come play for us (and there are rumors he does), this could have happened !

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
... and the 49ers drafted the best QB of the 2021 and (had he come out this year) 2022 draft classes. This will be more apparent as time passes.

ok buddy, sure.....

What they did is very risky. We haven't seen anything to justify what they gave up yet for Lance.

Originally posted by DrEll:
It was a knee jerk reaction by Shanalynch after LA got Stafford. They would have been better off to be patient (they were gonna play Jimmy anyways in 2021), and then deal for Watson this offseason. If Watson really wants to come play for us (and there are rumors he does), this could have happened !

Watson is still facing a league suspension. i think Shannylynch are tired of waiting around for QB play whether it be from injury or suspension. i honestly dont blame them.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
... and the 49ers drafted the best QB of the 2021 and (had he come out this year) 2022 draft classes. This will be more apparent as time passes.

ok buddy, sure.....

What they did is very risky. We haven't seen anything to justify what they gave up yet for Lance.

Yet we've seen nothing to suggest what we gave up for the opportunity to draft Lance was unjustified.

Originally posted by DrEll:
It was a knee jerk reaction by Shanalynch after LA got Stafford. They would have been better off to be patient (they were gonna play Jimmy anyways in 2021), and then deal for Watson this offseason. If Watson really wants to come play for us (and there are rumors he does), this could have happened !

First off there are rumors he does but I've never actually heard them from Watson. Then you have the off field stuff. He could still be suspended for a few games and he's probably going to face civil suits. Leopards don't usually change their spots.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This is exactly why so many teams are willing to part with #1 draft picks in favor of established players. Every year we see draft busts or 2nd and 3rd year players fizzling out after a good rookie year. It's an old saying but it's still true. You need to wait 3 years before you can evaluate a draft. Give the players time to adjust to the NFL and then for the league to adjust to the player.

This is why I wish the 9ers traded their 1st round picks for a veteran QB and not a rookie. And to top it all off they didn't even get all the way to the #1 overall pick after spending three 1st round picks.

It was a knee jerk reaction by Shanalynch after LA got Stafford. They would have been better off to be patient (they were gonna play Jimmy anyways in 2021), and then deal for Watson this offseason. If Watson really wants to come play for us (and there are rumors he does), this could have happened !

If you check the timeline of events, the 49ers waiting to see if Watson would be cleared to play in 2022 would be extrememly risky.
A case was filed against Watson on March 16, 2021.
49ers acquired the third overall pick on March 26.
You are proposing that the 49ers take a risk that Watson would be cleared to play in 2022. At the time of the trade for #3 overall, there was a lot of uncertainty around Watson's legal issues. Asking the 49ers to be patient and wait for Watson's legal issues to get resolved was very risky because no one knew how it would unfold (at the time of acquiring #3 overall).