DT Robert Nkemdiche

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It shouldn't be too hard to elevate over Kevin Givens and/or Maurice Hurst.

Most likely a hurst replacement since hurst can't get on the field

Truth.

Have you seen how many games this guy has missed with injuries? Hurst averages 10.5 games a year and Nkemdiche 7.5

Well, at least we didn't draft him. No damage done here as a look-over in FA. Had it been draft…way different deal.

he's not coming in as savior. only to give other guys a rest.

Similar to the Key signing last year..

For real. More mold for KK to work with and find out if he has some value. If so, he'll share snaps with our pool of 9 other first-third rounders.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It shouldn't be too hard to elevate over Kevin Givens and/or Maurice Hurst.

Givens who was undrafted has done way more than this guy easily.

Sad, huh? These guys are a dime a dozen now.

So dime a dozen OGs to block dime a dozen DTs. Sounds about right.

OL are rarely available. One is a massive saturated market. The other is the opposite of that.

Sure they are.

Are you for real? There's no comparison. Teams have been drafting DL so much for so long the FA pool is ridiculous.

When Laken Tomlinson is the #1 FA that tells you how empty the OL market is and how teams have locked them up early.

Yah i"m for real. Are you? Go look at the over saturated G FA market right now. Filled with the likes of ex 1st founders and guys from your very own offseason bucket like Quinten Spain . Dime a dozen
and LT wasn't the #1 FA G

well please elaborate. I gave you facts, what do you have?
dime a dozen.

The offseason of linemen debates continues

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Notice we rarely target UDFAs to play on the DL. Almost every acquisition had high round talent grade or has proven they can play at some level in the league. Koucerk's assistants are impressive. They keep an eye on the league more than any I've seen the 49ers have for any group in a long time.

Highest sack total is 4.5 in 2018. Nice. Had a knee injury (ACL tear) also in the 2018 season, not so nice , but looks like he's - hopefully 💯% healthwise from it by now and ready to produce.

Knowing Kocurek's coaching abilities - very Nice!

Not that this big news anyway but has anyone confirmed this signing?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It shouldn't be too hard to elevate over Kevin Givens and/or Maurice Hurst.

Givens who was undrafted has done way more than this guy easily.

Sad, huh? These guys are a dime a dozen now.

So dime a dozen OGs to block dime a dozen DTs. Sounds about right.

OL are rarely available. One is a massive saturated market. The other is the opposite of that.

Sure they are.

Are you for real? There's no comparison. Teams have been drafting DL so much for so long the FA pool is ridiculous.

When Laken Tomlinson is the #1 FA that tells you how empty the OL market is and how teams have locked them up early.

Yah i"m for real. Are you? Go look at the over saturated G FA market right now. Filled with the likes of ex 1st founders and guys from your very own offseason bucket like Quinten Spain . Dime a dozen
and LT wasn't the #1 FA G

well please elaborate. I gave you facts, what do you have?
dime a dozen.

Simple, check the FA pool each off season. You don't even need to go that far...just look at our team; dudes like Key, Willis, Nkemdiche, etc. are available every late off season. Dudes like Laken Tomlinson are now the top FA's getting paid $13M APY because the bucket is so small.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Simple, check the FA pool each off season. You don't even need to go that far...just look at our team; dudes like Key, Willis, Nkemdiche, etc. are available every late off season. Dudes like Laken Tomlinson are now the top FA's getting paid $13M APY because the bucket is so small.

Yup and guys like Flowers, Price, Spain etc are still sitting on an over saturated G market.
show me how the buckets compare and how one is smaller than the other. I'm looking at both (FA G signed/available vs FA DT signed/available) at this very moment and there is virtually no difference in the bucket. Let's not deal I'm opinions here, just show me the difference. They are virtually identical. and I don't want to hear about LT getting 13 mil, that's irrelevant. LT only got 3 mil more than DJ Jones and LT is an Ironman every down player coming off a pro bowl year whereas DJ is not. You are very big on total snaps right?
Dime a dozen

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Simple, check the FA pool each off season. You don't even need to go that far...just look at our team; dudes like Key, Willis, Nkemdiche, etc. are available every late off season. Dudes like Laken Tomlinson are now the top FA's getting paid $13M APY because the bucket is so small.

Yup and guys like Flowers, Price, Spain etc are still sitting on an over saturated G market.
show me how the buckets compare and how one is smaller than the other. I'm looking at both (FA G signed/available vs FA DT signed/available) at this very moment and there is virtually no difference in the bucket. Let's not deal I'm opinions here, just show me the difference. They are virtually identical. and I don't want to hear about LT getting 13 mil, that's irrelevant. LT only got 3 mil more than DJ Jones and LT is an Ironman every down player coming off a pro bowl year whereas DJ is not. You are very big on total snaps right?
Dime a dozen

LMAO. Thanks for the chuckle. Then again, you're the same dude saying we've attributed similar resources on the OL to DL after 6 off seasons. Impressive.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Simple, check the FA pool each off season. You don't even need to go that far...just look at our team; dudes like Key, Willis, Nkemdiche, etc. are available every late off season. Dudes like Laken Tomlinson are now the top FA's getting paid $13M APY because the bucket is so small.

Yup and guys like Flowers, Price, Spain etc are still sitting on an over saturated G market.
show me how the buckets compare and how one is smaller than the other. I'm looking at both (FA G signed/available vs FA DT signed/available) at this very moment and there is virtually no difference in the bucket. Let's not deal I'm opinions here, just show me the difference. They are virtually identical. and I don't want to hear about LT getting 13 mil, that's irrelevant. LT only got 3 mil more than DJ Jones and LT is an Ironman every down player coming off a pro bowl year whereas DJ is not. You are very big on total snaps right?
Dime a dozen

LMAO. Thanks for the chuckle. Then again, you're the same dude saying we've attributed similar resources on the OL to DL after 6 off seasons. Impressive.

So you got nothing and that's that I thought. When presented with facts you deflect with exaggerations, you said the resources invested in OL are not in the same stratosphere as the DL. I and others laid out actual facts about the actual resources invested in both, and low and behold they were in the sane stratosphere. But because you didn't like that you resorted to saying "see haha hoov says they prioritize OL just like DL" when you know perfectly well I never said that. I've always stated DL is their bread and butter, all I was doing was poking holes in your false claim about them not in sane stratosphere. I thought I'd take a different approach with you the last day or so and just present facts rather than going back and forth with you on your opinions and theories, but you seem incapable of doing that. Think I had the right idea when I advised others to just ignore lol.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Simple, check the FA pool each off season. You don't even need to go that far...just look at our team; dudes like Key, Willis, Nkemdiche, etc. are available every late off season. Dudes like Laken Tomlinson are now the top FA's getting paid $13M APY because the bucket is so small.

Yup and guys like Flowers, Price, Spain etc are still sitting on an over saturated G market.
show me how the buckets compare and how one is smaller than the other. I'm looking at both (FA G signed/available vs FA DT signed/available) at this very moment and there is virtually no difference in the bucket. Let's not deal I'm opinions here, just show me the difference. They are virtually identical. and I don't want to hear about LT getting 13 mil, that's irrelevant. LT only got 3 mil more than DJ Jones and LT is an Ironman every down player coming off a pro bowl year whereas DJ is not. You are very big on total snaps right?
Dime a dozen

LMAO. Thanks for the chuckle. Then again, you're the same dude saying we've attributed similar resources on the OL to DL after 6 off seasons. Impressive.

So you got nothing and that's that I thought. When presented with facts you deflect with exaggerations, you said the resources invested in OL are not in the same stratosphere as the DL. I and others laid out actual facts about the actual resources invested in both, and low and behold they were in the sane stratosphere. But because you didn't like that you resorted to saying "see haha hoov says they prioritize OL just like DL" when you know perfectly well I never said that. I've always stated DL is their bread and butter, all I was doing was poking holes in your false claim about them not in sane stratosphere. I thought I'd take a different approach with you the last day or so and just present facts rather than going back and forth with you on your opinions and theories, but you seem incapable of doing that. Think I had the right idea when I advised others to just ignore lol.

The fact you put these three words in the same sentence together is what makes me chuckle.

I would need several hours to put together for you what this team started with on a rebuild and all the transactions made to that position group in both quality and quantity over the past 6 off off seasons to date.

But it would be futile because, 1) everyone already knows the answer to that, and 2) you'd ignore it all anyways and try to debate it again next week.

Doesn't this guy have work ethic issues? Like he came into TC really overweight?

Originally posted by NCommand:
The fact you put these three words in the same sentence together is what makes me chuckle.

I would need several hours to put together for you what this team started with on a rebuild and all the transactions made to that position group in both quality and quantity over the past 6 off off seasons to date.

But it would be futile because, 1) everyone already knows the answer to that, and 2) you'd ignore it all anyways and try to debate it again next week.

Problem is You can't back anything up when presented with actual facts. I showed you all the resources that have been invested into both groups and it flew in the face of your not in this stratosphere opinion. Also presented you with actual FA buckets for both signed/available G/DT FA What did you provide? A whole lot of nothing. This little experiment was a failure lol. Not shocking though. Have at it

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The fact you put these three words in the same sentence together is what makes me chuckle.

I would need several hours to put together for you what this team started with on a rebuild and all the transactions made to that position group in both quality and quantity over the past 6 off off seasons to date.

But it would be futile because, 1) everyone already knows the answer to that, and 2) you'd ignore it all anyways and try to debate it again next week.

Problem is You can't back anything up when presented with actual facts.

You ask for evidence in everything. I guarantee you I'm the only one who provides that for you. And every single time I do, which is every time, not once do you say thanks, acknowledge it or admit your original stance was wrong.

Therefore, if you actually need evidence on something everyone and their mother already knows, backed by the FO's own words and actions, go for it. Humble me.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You ask for evidence in everything. I guarantee you I'm the only one who provides that for you. And every single time I do, which is every time, not once do you say thanks, acknowledge it or admit your original stance was wrong.

Therefore, if you actually need evidence on something everyone and their mother already knows, backed by the FO's own words and actions, go for it. Humble me.

🤣 say thank you?? You rarely provide any evidence to back up your assertions. . You either exaggerate things or outright make things up., which is why people always ask you to back up what you are saying. It's all assertions with you. Providing you actual resources invested in both OL and DL is a fact. Providing you available/signed FAs for both G and DTs is a fact. Providing you pressure rates, qb hits and sacks falls under fact. The latter you have provided, but only when it fits your narrative lol.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You ask for evidence in everything. I guarantee you I'm the only one who provides that for you. And every single time I do, which is every time, not once do you say thanks, acknowledge it or admit your original stance was wrong.

Therefore, if you actually need evidence on something everyone and their mother already knows, backed by the FO's own words and actions, go for it. Humble me.

🤣 say thank you?? You rarely provide any evidence to back up your assertions. . You either exaggerate things or outright make things up., which is why people always ask you to back up what you are saying. It's all assertions with you. Providing you actual resources invested in both OL and DL is a fact. Providing you available/signed FAs for both G and DTs is a fact. Providing you pressure rates, qb hits and sacks falls under fact. The latter you have provided, but only when it fits your narrative lol.

i can't believe NC says he backs everything up with evidence ..every single time

i would like proof of that.. or is that everyone and thier mothers knowledge..