Josh Allen and his Buffalo Bills

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
It's time to have a conversation about Josh Allen's playoff failures, and how the media and casual fans pushed the "best QB in football" narrative when it was far from deserved. Since everyone loves the QB record stat, here we go. Josh Allen is 4-4 in his three playoff appearances, and during that time he has had the #1, #2, and #2 ranked defenses.

The idea that Josh Allen is the best QB in football is laughable. He is very good, but turns the ball over far too much.

How does he have 4 playoff losses in 3 appearances?

It was a error filled post all around. I also take issue with using season ranks when there are mitigating factors. For example, BUF went out and signed Von Miller specifically for playoffs to get after FQBs and he didn't play vs CIN. That means although they may have a good season rank, they weren't at full go when it mattered most. The season rank isn't relevant. It would be like us having Bosa out and saying we are #1 D.. well not anymore.

I corrected myself about the post. Sorry. You can take issue with it all you'd like, but just because you dont like using season ranks for the playoffs, doesnt make it an error filled post.

You noted that asking Allen to throw the ball 42 times in the snow was ridiculous, yet Burrow threw 36 times and stopped throwing a few minutes into the 4th quarter. So basically the same gameplan as Buffalo...so yeah not seeing how you can dump on Buffalo's gameplan when it was literally the same as Cincinnati's....the Bengals and specifically Burrow just executed better than Buffalo and Allen.

Look, I am not trying to claim Allen is the reason the team is losing. But he simply didnt play well in THIS playoff run, and was annointed the best QB in the league after last year's playoffs. Cant get down with that, personally.

Come on mate.. these takes are so off I question if you are genuine here..

CIN splits - 36 passes 34 runs
BUF splits - 42 passes 19 runs

CIN leading ball carrier - Mixon 20 carries
BUF leading ball carrier - Josh Allen 8 carries

this is 'literally the same gameplan'? Is it really now?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
It's time to have a conversation about Josh Allen's playoff failures, and how the media and casual fans pushed the "best QB in football" narrative when it was far from deserved. Since everyone loves the QB record stat, here we go. Josh Allen is 4-4 in his three playoff appearances, and during that time he has had the #1, #2, and #2 ranked defenses.

The idea that Josh Allen is the best QB in football is laughable. He is very good, but turns the ball over far too much.

How does he have 4 playoff losses in 3 appearances?

It was a error filled post all around. I also take issue with using season ranks when there are mitigating factors. For example, BUF went out and signed Von Miller specifically for playoffs to get after FQBs and he didn't play vs CIN. That means although they may have a good season rank, they weren't at full go when it mattered most. The season rank isn't relevant. It would be like us having Bosa out and saying we are #1 D.. well not anymore.

I corrected myself about the post. Sorry. You can take issue with it all you'd like, but just because you dont like using season ranks for the playoffs, doesnt make it an error filled post.

You noted that asking Allen to throw the ball 42 times in the snow was ridiculous, yet Burrow threw 36 times and stopped throwing a few minutes into the 4th quarter. So basically the same gameplan as Buffalo...so yeah not seeing how you can dump on Buffalo's gameplan when it was literally the same as Cincinnati's....the Bengals and specifically Burrow just executed better than Buffalo and Allen.

Look, I am not trying to claim Allen is the reason the team is losing. But he simply didnt play well in THIS playoff run, and was annointed the best QB in the league after last year's playoffs. Cant get down with that, personally.

Come on mate.. these takes are so off I question if you are genuine here..

CIN splits - 36 passes 34 runs
BUF splits - 42 passes 19 runs

CIN leading ball carrier - Mixon 20 carries
BUF leading ball carrier - Josh Allen 8 carries

this is 'literally the same gameplan'? Is it really now?

Buffalo definitely has a problem sticking to the run. I think yesterday they even had a few series where they just threw it all 3 times. That being said I agree with the other thought too, Josh Allen isn't as great as everyone makes him to be.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
It's time to have a conversation about Josh Allen's playoff failures, and how the media and casual fans pushed the "best QB in football" narrative when it was far from deserved. Since everyone loves the QB record stat, here we go. Josh Allen is 4-4 in his three playoff appearances, and during that time he has had the #1, #2, and #2 ranked defenses.

The idea that Josh Allen is the best QB in football is laughable. He is very good, but turns the ball over far too much.

How does he have 4 playoff losses in 3 appearances?

It was a error filled post all around. I also take issue with using season ranks when there are mitigating factors. For example, BUF went out and signed Von Miller specifically for playoffs to get after FQBs and he didn't play vs CIN. That means although they may have a good season rank, they weren't at full go when it mattered most. The season rank isn't relevant. It would be like us having Bosa out and saying we are #1 D.. well not anymore.

I corrected myself about the post. Sorry. You can take issue with it all you'd like, but just because you dont like using season ranks for the playoffs, doesnt make it an error filled post.

You noted that asking Allen to throw the ball 42 times in the snow was ridiculous, yet Burrow threw 36 times and stopped throwing a few minutes into the 4th quarter. So basically the same gameplan as Buffalo...so yeah not seeing how you can dump on Buffalo's gameplan when it was literally the same as Cincinnati's....the Bengals and specifically Burrow just executed better than Buffalo and Allen.

Look, I am not trying to claim Allen is the reason the team is losing. But he simply didnt play well in THIS playoff run, and was annointed the best QB in the league after last year's playoffs. Cant get down with that, personally.

Come on mate.. these takes are so off I question if you are genuine here..

CIN splits - 36 passes 34 runs
BUF splits - 42 passes 19 runs

CIN leading ball carrier - Mixon 20 carries
BUF leading ball carrier - Josh Allen 8 carries

this is 'literally the same gameplan'? Is it really now?

First of all, when I say the same gameplan, I clearly meant they both came out with a pass heavy offense. The Bengals had 5 called runs of their first 17 plays (2 drives), which is a lower percentage of runs than the Bills had.

Looking at raw numbers, yes the Bengals had 27 running back rushes to the Bills 11 running back rushes. But The Bengals had THIRTEEN rushing attempts in the 4th quarter, where they were up by 14-17 points. The Bills werent running the ball at all in the 4th quarter (Burrow three 4th quarter passing attempts, Allen fifteen 4th quarter passing attempts).

Are you really not understanding this? They both came out with pass heavy offenses, it just so happened that the Bengals opened up a big lead right away. Did you watch the game?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
It's time to have a conversation about Josh Allen's playoff failures, and how the media and casual fans pushed the "best QB in football" narrative when it was far from deserved. Since everyone loves the QB record stat, here we go. Josh Allen is 4-4 in his three playoff appearances, and during that time he has had the #1, #2, and #2 ranked defenses.

The idea that Josh Allen is the best QB in football is laughable. He is very good, but turns the ball over far too much.

How does he have 4 playoff losses in 3 appearances?

It was a error filled post all around. I also take issue with using season ranks when there are mitigating factors. For example, BUF went out and signed Von Miller specifically for playoffs to get after FQBs and he didn't play vs CIN. That means although they may have a good season rank, they weren't at full go when it mattered most. The season rank isn't relevant. It would be like us having Bosa out and saying we are #1 D.. well not anymore.

I corrected myself about the post. Sorry. You can take issue with it all you'd like, but just because you dont like using season ranks for the playoffs, doesnt make it an error filled post.

You noted that asking Allen to throw the ball 42 times in the snow was ridiculous, yet Burrow threw 36 times and stopped throwing a few minutes into the 4th quarter. So basically the same gameplan as Buffalo...so yeah not seeing how you can dump on Buffalo's gameplan when it was literally the same as Cincinnati's....the Bengals and specifically Burrow just executed better than Buffalo and Allen.

Look, I am not trying to claim Allen is the reason the team is losing. But he simply didnt play well in THIS playoff run, and was annointed the best QB in the league after last year's playoffs. Cant get down with that, personally.

Come on mate.. these takes are so off I question if you are genuine here..

CIN splits - 36 passes 34 runs
BUF splits - 42 passes 19 runs

CIN leading ball carrier - Mixon 20 carries
BUF leading ball carrier - Josh Allen 8 carries

this is 'literally the same gameplan'? Is it really now?

First of all, when I say the same gameplan, I clearly meant they both came out with a pass heavy offense. The Bengals had 5 called runs of their first 17 plays (2 drives), which is a lower percentage of runs than the Bills had.

Looking at raw numbers, yes the Bengals had 27 running back rushes to the Bills 11 running back rushes. But The Bengals had THIRTEEN rushing attempts in the 4th quarter, where they were up by 14-17 points. The Bills werent running the ball at all in the 4th quarter (Burrow three 4th quarter passing attempts, Allen fifteen 4th quarter passing attempts).

Are you really not understanding this? They both came out with pass heavy offenses, it just so happened that the Bengals opened up a big lead right away. Did you watch the game?

It's not on Allen imo, it's on the roster construction. They never figured out the slot, which is why they were street signing Cole Beasley late season. They don't have a single RB over 200 lbs which means Allen become the power back by default. They don't have a pass rush, they paid a fortune for Von who is now deep into the back 9 of his career and coming off major injury which may impact his 2023.

I would be open to flipping Diggs out like KC did with Hill, getting more pieces. Or you don't have to get that dramatic maybe just find a Jordan Mason type back in the draft, someone thick. Pacheco would have really helped this squad.

It's tough getting over the hump. The great Steeler teams didn't win in the playoffs early on, same for the Boys. The Bills will get there sooner rather than later.

Cincy out coached the Bills . The Bills had no idea where the blitz was coming from . They had corners and safety blitzes from all different levels of depth .

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
It's time to have a conversation about Josh Allen's playoff failures, and how the media and casual fans pushed the "best QB in football" narrative when it was far from deserved. Since everyone loves the QB record stat, here we go. Josh Allen is 4-4 in his three playoff appearances, and during that time he has had the #1, #2, and #2 ranked defenses.

The idea that Josh Allen is the best QB in football is laughable. He is very good, but turns the ball over far too much.

How does he have 4 playoff losses in 3 appearances?

It was a error filled post all around. I also take issue with using season ranks when there are mitigating factors. For example, BUF went out and signed Von Miller specifically for playoffs to get after FQBs and he didn't play vs CIN. That means although they may have a good season rank, they weren't at full go when it mattered most. The season rank isn't relevant. It would be like us having Bosa out and saying we are #1 D.. well not anymore.

I corrected myself about the post. Sorry. You can take issue with it all you'd like, but just because you dont like using season ranks for the playoffs, doesnt make it an error filled post.

You noted that asking Allen to throw the ball 42 times in the snow was ridiculous, yet Burrow threw 36 times and stopped throwing a few minutes into the 4th quarter. So basically the same gameplan as Buffalo...so yeah not seeing how you can dump on Buffalo's gameplan when it was literally the same as Cincinnati's....the Bengals and specifically Burrow just executed better than Buffalo and Allen.

Look, I am not trying to claim Allen is the reason the team is losing. But he simply didnt play well in THIS playoff run, and was annointed the best QB in the league after last year's playoffs. Cant get down with that, personally.

Come on mate.. these takes are so off I question if you are genuine here..

CIN splits - 36 passes 34 runs
BUF splits - 42 passes 19 runs

CIN leading ball carrier - Mixon 20 carries
BUF leading ball carrier - Josh Allen 8 carries

this is 'literally the same gameplan'? Is it really now?

First of all, when I say the same gameplan, I clearly meant they both came out with a pass heavy offense. The Bengals had 5 called runs of their first 17 plays (2 drives), which is a lower percentage of runs than the Bills had.

Looking at raw numbers, yes the Bengals had 27 running back rushes to the Bills 11 running back rushes. But The Bengals had THIRTEEN rushing attempts in the 4th quarter, where they were up by 14-17 points. The Bills werent running the ball at all in the 4th quarter (Burrow three 4th quarter passing attempts, Allen fifteen 4th quarter passing attempts).

Are you really not understanding this? They both came out with pass heavy offenses, it just so happened that the Bengals opened up a big lead right away. Did you watch the game?

It's not on Allen imo, it's on the roster construction. They never figured out the slot, which is why they were street signing Cole Beasley late season. They don't have a single RB over 200 lbs which means Allen become the power back by default. They don't have a pass rush, they paid a fortune for Von who is now deep into the back 9 of his career and coming off major injury which may impact his 2023.

I would be open to flipping Diggs out like KC did with Hill, getting more pieces. Or you don't have to get that dramatic maybe just find a Jordan Mason type back in the draft, someone thick. Pacheco would have really helped this squad.

I mean, thats fair to say for sure. I just took issue with the fact that you said "Allen threw the ball 42 times" in a way to say the gameplan wasnt any good. I believe the major diffference in rushing attempts by the running backs had more to do with the fact that the Bills were down 14+ points for the majority of the game, rather than it not being the game plan. Especially because the Bengals gameplan was just as pass heavy as the Bills was.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Buffalo definitely has a problem sticking to the run. I think yesterday they even had a few series where they just threw it all 3 times. That being said I agree with the other thought too, Josh Allen isn't as great as everyone makes him to be.

Watched them a few times this year as a Singletary FF owner. He seems to suffer from the same thing Aaron Rodgers suffers from. They don't like running the football.

They tend to go to the P on the RPOs on running plays. They do it waaay more than they should.

If you watch Aaron Rodgers he usually only tries to get the defense to jump with hard counts on run plays so he can get a free pass play out of it.

My BIL is a diehard Nills fan and he told me earlier this year that he thinks Josh resorted back to his wayward ways with his passing.

One thing on Allen is his elbow was significantly jacked from midseason on. This is/was a known issue. Just played thru it.

Goes to show that once again just because you look like world beaters in September and October, won't mean anything when January comes around.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Goes to show that once again just because you look like world beaters in September and October, won't mean anything when January comes around.

Very true. NFL season takes on a life of it's own. Teams evolve of the course of a campaign. Look at us we genuinely had issues early season. Totally different squad.

The Bills should have gone ALL in on CMC

suckers

With McDermott as head coach I expected the Bills' ship to crash and burn earlier. It's surprising it took so long to come to this point where they've been exposed.

Having Daboll as his OC for so long helped Josh Allen immensely and led many to believe the Bills were actually legit, including myself.

I was wrong about that. The current OC (Ken Dorsey) needs to get better, or they need to get a better OC, and JA needs to get better, too.

Love Josh. Hell of a player. The Bills will win a Superbowl with him.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
The Bills should have gone ALL in on CMC

suckers

lol it would've been a waste, Bills don't commit to running the ball.