Carolina Fire Sale

Originally posted by Tman:
We have steadily declined for 4 straight years with the same qb or worse so that kinda invalidates that argument

Curious because I really don't know, what is Wilson's yards after contact and any idea where that ranks in the nfl? Going to have to look that up when I get a moment

A high number would tell me he is overcoming poor blocking a low number would tell me he is benefiting from good blocking, given his high ypc.

And lol at just wanting a flashy name. I could give a f**k what the name on the jersey is, if Sermon could do what CMC could do then I'd be saying the same thing. I just want to see the team win.

No it doesn't invalidate it because the playcalling has changed as the years have gone on….teams have adapted to playing against SF with Jimmy. even in Lance's couple starts that EPA rush/per is much better with him vs JG.

wilson avg 1.3 Yards after contact, not amazing not the worst. It also doesn't tell the story of how we run OZ. This isn't a tackle breaking running offense. It's find the hole. hit it, and run as fast as possible through it. There is no dancing around trying to break tackles, hence sermon getting cut.

a RB isn't changing a whole offense. If you want to talk about him as a pass catcher that's different. We do not have a playmaker issue though.

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Tman:
Lol ok let me get right on that all-22 for you

These are just the numbers, take it for what it's worth.

Wilson has a good ypc, but he isn't scaring anybody and rarely breaks off chunk runs that we used to see so much of back in 2019. This offense needs those chunk runs to be at its optimal level.

And why is CMC breaking off all these chunk runs on the regular….What Mostert did for a short period of time wasn't something that was repeatable forever. It was special but not normal.

Avg almost 5 yards per carry as a backup is stupid good. Again we don't have a RB issue. You want a flashy big name at a position thy doesn't matter all that much.

Like I said that number has more to do with who's playing QB (playing out of shotgun more) and avg RBLK.

We have steadily declined for 4 straight years with the same qb or worse so that kinda invalidates that argument

Curious because I really don't know, what is Wilson's yards after contact and any idea where that ranks in the nfl? Going to have to look that up when I get a moment

A high number would tell me he is overcoming poor blocking a low number would tell me he is benefiting from good blocking, given his high ypc.

And lol at just wanting a flashy name. I could give a f**k what the name on the jersey is, if Sermon could do what CMC could do then I'd be saying the same thing. I just want to see the team win.

Ok just looked it up

Jeff Wilson has one of the lowest "yards after contact per rushing attempt" at 1.3

He also has one of the highest "yards before contact per rushing attempt" at 3.7

Averages 4.9 yards a carry

CMC current has a "yards after contact per rushing attempt" at 2.1

and a "yards before contact per rushing attempt" at 2.5

Averages 4.6 yards a carry

JWJ is getting more then a full yard of blocking before getting hit then CMC

We are near the bottom in the league in rushing EPA while rolling out Wilson and Tevin freakin Coleman and RB isn't the problem Lollol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Tman:
We have steadily declined for 4 straight years with the same qb or worse so that kinda invalidates that argument

Curious because I really don't know, what is Wilson's yards after contact and any idea where that ranks in the nfl? Going to have to look that up when I get a moment

A high number would tell me he is overcoming poor blocking a low number would tell me he is benefiting from good blocking, given his high ypc.

And lol at just wanting a flashy name. I could give a f**k what the name on the jersey is, if Sermon could do what CMC could do then I'd be saying the same thing. I just want to see the team win.

No it doesn't invalidate it because the playcalling has changed as the years have gone on….teams have adapted to playing against SF with Jimmy. even in Lance's couple starts that EPA rush/per is much better with him vs JG.

wilson avg 1.3 Yards after contact, not amazing not the worst. It also doesn't tell the story of how we run OZ. This isn't a tackle breaking running offense. It's find the hole. hit it, and run as fast as possible through it. There is no dancing around trying to break tackles, hence sermon getting cut.

a RB isn't changing a whole offense. If you want to talk about him as a pass catcher that's different. We do not have a playmaker issue though.

If CMC maintained his same yards after contact and had the same blocking as JWJ then he would almost averaging 6 yards per carry…..obviously not fully transferable but just think about that

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
did deebo have no effect on the offense last year ?

Lol you won't answer my question because you know the answer. He was effective for a short amount of time in given situations…a couple carries a game. Stop acting like he was a RB taking 20 carries a game.

Why isn't he running well this yr??

you won't answer my question because you know it's true.. NY, when you get asked a question, you answer the question.. not reply with a question.. basic etiquette

Man the stupid Rams better not get CMC I'll be pissed AF. He would kill with the Niners, come on John make it happen.

Arguing that CMC isn't the worth the draft pick capital/salary cap space due to injury history or not a position of need is one thing, but are some really arguing that Jeff Wilson is a comparable ( or even in the same league) as CMC???
CMC is a top 5 skill position player in the league when healthy. And this is on a team with no QB and absolutely no other skill guys to take the focus off him.
Any one of CMC ( or David Montgomery) would be a huge upgrade any one of the Niner backs.

Originally posted by fip24:
Arguing that CMC isn't the worth the draft pick capital/salary cap space due to injury history or not a position of need is one thing, but are some really arguing that Jeff Wilson is a comparable ( or even in the same league) as CMC???
CMC is a top 5 skill position player in the league when healthy. And this is on a team with no QB and absolutely no other skill guys to take the focus off him.
Any one of CMC ( or David Montgomery) would be a huge upgrade any one of the Niner backs.

Some have argued that Wilson is "good enough" for this offense and CMC wouldn't make that much of a difference.

Won't even dream about McCaffrey at this point. It's too far fetched.

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by fip24:
Arguing that CMC isn't the worth the draft pick capital/salary cap space due to injury history or not a position of need is one thing, but are some really arguing that Jeff Wilson is a comparable ( or even in the same league) as CMC???
CMC is a top 5 skill position player in the league when healthy. And this is on a team with no QB and absolutely no other skill guys to take the focus off him.
Any one of CMC ( or David Montgomery) would be a huge upgrade any one of the Niner backs.

Some have argued that Wilson is "good enough" for this offense and CMC wouldn't make that much of a difference.

The thing is, he'll help us on third down as a WR. He'll help us better conceal Deebo run plays. And so on.

But it's too good to be true, so I won't be expecting it.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by fip24:
Arguing that CMC isn't the worth the draft pick capital/salary cap space due to injury history or not a position of need is one thing, but are some really arguing that Jeff Wilson is a comparable ( or even in the same league) as CMC???
CMC is a top 5 skill position player in the league when healthy. And this is on a team with no QB and absolutely no other skill guys to take the focus off him.
Any one of CMC ( or David Montgomery) would be a huge upgrade any one of the Niner backs.

Some have argued that Wilson is "good enough" for this offense and CMC wouldn't make that much of a difference.

The thing is, he'll help us on third down as a WR. He'll help us better conceal Deebo run plays. And so on.

But it's too good to be true, so I won't be expecting it.

Yup, he would help so many elements of the offense.

and it is pretty much a pipe dream but a nice dream to have

Trade for their lineman. Brian burns. Any of their offensive lineman. Literally any of those offensive lineman would be an upgrade.

eli Mitchell is pretty good. We gotta hope he can be ok. We do not need another high priced rb.

we need to try for these free agents. This could be the last chance for a long time

I don't understand how people think we could afford a player like Burns. When he gets his contract next year he'll be one of the top 5 highest paid edge rushers in the game just like Bosa will be. We simply can't afford him. Panthers would be dumb to let him go too since he is still young.

As far as CMC goes, if the price is right i'd do it. I wouldnt give up a lot for him though. Wilson plus a 3rd rd would be my max offer.

Originally posted by Tman:
If CMC maintained his same yards after contact and had the same blocking as JWJ then he would almost averaging 6 yards per carry…..obviously not fully transferable but just think about that

Mitchell was avging more yards after contact last yr then CMC is avging. It isn't just about our current backup RB, I was talking about JWJ because he's doing more than fine until we get Mitchell back.

RB is not the issue

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The thing is, he'll help us on third down as a WR. He'll help us better conceal Deebo run plays. And so on.

But it's too good to be true, so I won't be expecting it.

This is where he would have worth, which I stated (as a receiver). That will also take away from the other playmakers that people are currently b***hing about not getting enough targets.

people need to understand player A on team A doesn't mean equal results when moved. He's not getting 100+ targets here. We don't have a trash team with no other talent where he has to be forced fed the ball.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The thing is, he'll help us on third down as a WR. He'll help us better conceal Deebo run plays. And so on.

But it's too good to be true, so I won't be expecting it.

This is where he would have worth, which I stated (as a receiver). That will also take away from the other playmakers that people are currently b***hing about not getting enough targets.

people need to understand player A on team A doesn't mean equal results when moved. He's not getting 100+ targets here. We don't have a trash team with no other talent where he has to be forced fed the ball.

Don't do my guy DJ Moore like that