Justin Fields and his Steelers

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
People really don't grasp the situation that Fields is in. His rookie year was as rough a situation any rookie QB could be in. It was so bad that after the Cleveland game ESPN had a segment dedicated to whether or not Nagy was intentionally trying to ruin Fields. Most quarterbacks don't come out of that year not ruined, let alone alive.

Fast forward to year two, a completely gutted offensive roster with a new GM, coach and coordinator. This is essentially his rookie year, and they spent the first half trying to figure out how to use him. They realize they can't protect him, so they've been rolling him out more and moving the pocket. Even then, his receivers have an almost 8% percent drop rate, good for 4th worse in the NFL. JT O'Sullivan reviewed the Dolphins tape and literally laughed at how bad the receivers were. They can't separate in man coverage and have no idea how to sit down in zones.

All this has led to a lack of passing yards, but he's somehow managed to be brutally efficient with the football with few opportunities. He's taking less sacks, not throwing picks and not fumbling. He's not taking hits and he's throwing with timing. The running is incredible, but it's his growth as a passer in a dire situation that is most exciting.

He's on a terrible team with zero weapons and a bad offensive line. Despite it all he's playing really well. That says it all IMO. His upside is huge. He's already pretty good with terrible talent around him. Imagine him on this team with these weapons. Wow.

again im not disagreeing with any of that. but how do you know our guy is bad when he has played 3 games. seems like an overreaction no? you may very well be right in your assessment it just seems very hasty to claim onces a bust and one will be good. For all we know they both can be very good. or both very terrible.

Im surprised cus SD has been a poster for a long time with alot of ups and downs to have such a knee jerk reaction to one game. Geno smith is doing well. If that guy can revive his career theres a chance for the young qb. Give him a chance. Last I checked they let Fields play almost two seasons.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Pandering for 123 passing yards and a loss.

If Trey Lance had this game people on here would be losing their minds. But continue hating Fields

Actually for the most part, they would be killing Kyle. That is now 4 games for Justin with over 10+ carries.

Half the board would be pissed at Shanny for 14 carries yesterday. The other half would be calling for his head because the offensive genius couldn't muster more than 123 pass yards and in 9 games this year he has 4 outings with under 125 yards passing. Only one game out 9 with 200 yards or more passing

They weren't all designed runs. Completely different. If Fields drops back, escapes the pocket and gets you 60 yards and a TD, that is awesome.

When the coach "designs" 10+ runs between the tackles for your QB, that is not the same.

They weren't all designed runs here either for Trey but ya'll openly chose and as evidenced by your post above, continue to ignore that.

Trey was running designed runs, or options. Completely different than a QB in the shotgun, dropping back, escaping the pass rush and running. Trey has more than twice as Many rush attempts as throws.

That is why you have a mobile QB. Someone to throw it first, but able to make something happen if and when a play breaks down. Maybe the random designed run to catch a team off balance. Escapability. I didn't see that approach with Trey.

We all watched the same games. You can try as you wish to whitewash history to fit your narrative but it does not change the reality.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Pandering for 123 passing yards and a loss.

If Trey Lance had this game people on here would be losing their minds. But continue hating Fields

Actually for the most part, they would be killing Kyle. That is now 4 games for Justin with over 10+ carries.

Half the board would be pissed at Shanny for 14 carries yesterday. The other half would be calling for his head because the offensive genius couldn't muster more than 123 pass yards and in 9 games this year he has 4 outings with under 125 yards passing. Only one game out 9 with 200 yards or more passing

They weren't all designed runs. Completely different. If Fields drops back, escapes the pocket and gets you 60 yards and a TD, that is awesome.

When the coach "designs" 10+ runs between the tackles for your QB, that is not the same.

They weren't all designed runs here either for Trey but ya'll openly chose and as evidenced by your post above, continue to ignore that.

Trey was running designed runs, or options. Completely different than a QB in the shotgun, dropping back, escaping the pass rush and running. Trey has more than twice as Many rush attempts as throws.

That is why you have a mobile QB. Someone to throw it first, but able to make something happen if and when a play breaks down. Maybe the random designed run to catch a team off balance. Escapability. I didn't see that approach with Trey.

We all watched the same games. You can try as you wish to whitewash history to fit your narrative but it does not change the reality.

Lol, did we? I rarely saw Trey dropping back to pass. He was on target for 14+ runs a game and the most runs by an NFL QB in a season if it continued.

In the Chicago game, they had him running like mad the first half, then after they got behind in points and a monsoon ensued, then they decided to let him air it out.

I'm just saying he wasn't used appropriately, IMO. They should have dropped.him back to pass more, rolled him out on bootlegs, etc instead of hammering him in between the tackles. Had they done that he most likely isn't injured right now.

That said Jimmy played great two weeks ago and if he can continue that, the 49ers can compete in the post season. Go Niners!

Originally posted by Jubwub88:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
People really don't grasp the situation that Fields is in. His rookie year was as rough a situation any rookie QB could be in. It was so bad that after the Cleveland game ESPN had a segment dedicated to whether or not Nagy was intentionally trying to ruin Fields. Most quarterbacks don't come out of that year not ruined, let alone alive.

Fast forward to year two, a completely gutted offensive roster with a new GM, coach and coordinator. This is essentially his rookie year, and they spent the first half trying to figure out how to use him. They realize they can't protect him, so they've been rolling him out more and moving the pocket. Even then, his receivers have an almost 8% percent drop rate, good for 4th worse in the NFL. JT O'Sullivan reviewed the Dolphins tape and literally laughed at how bad the receivers were. They can't separate in man coverage and have no idea how to sit down in zones.

All this has led to a lack of passing yards, but he's somehow managed to be brutally efficient with the football with few opportunities. He's taking less sacks, not throwing picks and not fumbling. He's not taking hits and he's throwing with timing. The running is incredible, but it's his growth as a passer in a dire situation that is most exciting.

He's on a terrible team with zero weapons and a bad offensive line. Despite it all he's playing really well. That says it all IMO. His upside is huge. He's already pretty good with terrible talent around him. Imagine him on this team with these weapons. Wow.

again im not disagreeing with any of that. but how do you know our guy is bad when he has played 3 games. seems like an overreaction no? you may very well be right in your assessment it just seems very hasty to claim onces a bust and one will be good. For all we know they both can be very good. or both very terrible.

Im surprised cus SD has been a poster for a long time with alot of ups and downs to have such a knee jerk reaction to one game. Geno smith is doing well. If that guy can revive his career theres a chance for the young qb. Give him a chance. Last I checked they let Fields play almost two seasons.

Yeah it's yet to be written for Trey Lance. But you are looking at a guy who hasn't largely played in 3 years. 2 NFL, 1 College (Covid). So he has to come back from all of that and be a super star? I doubt it very much. As of now Fields is much further ahead in all aspects of the game. More experience too. He also is the the better athlete by far. I don't think that's even close. Lance is not that dynamic athletically in game speed on the field at least. Fields definitely is if you watch the games or the film. You can see it. It pops out at you.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Jubwub88:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
People really don't grasp the situation that Fields is in. His rookie year was as rough a situation any rookie QB could be in. It was so bad that after the Cleveland game ESPN had a segment dedicated to whether or not Nagy was intentionally trying to ruin Fields. Most quarterbacks don't come out of that year not ruined, let alone alive.

Fast forward to year two, a completely gutted offensive roster with a new GM, coach and coordinator. This is essentially his rookie year, and they spent the first half trying to figure out how to use him. They realize they can't protect him, so they've been rolling him out more and moving the pocket. Even then, his receivers have an almost 8% percent drop rate, good for 4th worse in the NFL. JT O'Sullivan reviewed the Dolphins tape and literally laughed at how bad the receivers were. They can't separate in man coverage and have no idea how to sit down in zones.

All this has led to a lack of passing yards, but he's somehow managed to be brutally efficient with the football with few opportunities. He's taking less sacks, not throwing picks and not fumbling. He's not taking hits and he's throwing with timing. The running is incredible, but it's his growth as a passer in a dire situation that is most exciting.

He's on a terrible team with zero weapons and a bad offensive line. Despite it all he's playing really well. That says it all IMO. His upside is huge. He's already pretty good with terrible talent around him. Imagine him on this team with these weapons. Wow.

again im not disagreeing with any of that. but how do you know our guy is bad when he has played 3 games. seems like an overreaction no? you may very well be right in your assessment it just seems very hasty to claim onces a bust and one will be good. For all we know they both can be very good. or both very terrible.

Im surprised cus SD has been a poster for a long time with alot of ups and downs to have such a knee jerk reaction to one game. Geno smith is doing well. If that guy can revive his career theres a chance for the young qb. Give him a chance. Last I checked they let Fields play almost two seasons.

Yeah it's yet to be written for Trey Lance. But you are looking at a guy who hasn't largely played in 3 years. 2 NFL, 1 College (Covid). So he has to come back from all of that and be a super star? I doubt it very much. As of now Fields is much further ahead in all aspects of the game. More experience too. He also is the the better athlete by far. I don't think that's even close. Lance is not that dynamic athletically in game speed on the field at least. Fields definitely is if you watch the games or the film. You can see it. It pops out at you.

I 100% agree. Those who were raving about his running skills were flat out wrong. Lance looks like a fat fullback. He has dissapointed me when it comes to his running but I have a little bit of hope he will develop as a passer.

fields is In that Lamar jackson. 4.3 category it's not even close. let's hope he can throw the ball cus he sure as hell can't run worth a damn

Originally posted by Jubwub88:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Jubwub88:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
People really don't grasp the situation that Fields is in. His rookie year was as rough a situation any rookie QB could be in. It was so bad that after the Cleveland game ESPN had a segment dedicated to whether or not Nagy was intentionally trying to ruin Fields. Most quarterbacks don't come out of that year not ruined, let alone alive.

Fast forward to year two, a completely gutted offensive roster with a new GM, coach and coordinator. This is essentially his rookie year, and they spent the first half trying to figure out how to use him. They realize they can't protect him, so they've been rolling him out more and moving the pocket. Even then, his receivers have an almost 8% percent drop rate, good for 4th worse in the NFL. JT O'Sullivan reviewed the Dolphins tape and literally laughed at how bad the receivers were. They can't separate in man coverage and have no idea how to sit down in zones.

All this has led to a lack of passing yards, but he's somehow managed to be brutally efficient with the football with few opportunities. He's taking less sacks, not throwing picks and not fumbling. He's not taking hits and he's throwing with timing. The running is incredible, but it's his growth as a passer in a dire situation that is most exciting.

He's on a terrible team with zero weapons and a bad offensive line. Despite it all he's playing really well. That says it all IMO. His upside is huge. He's already pretty good with terrible talent around him. Imagine him on this team with these weapons. Wow.

again im not disagreeing with any of that. but how do you know our guy is bad when he has played 3 games. seems like an overreaction no? you may very well be right in your assessment it just seems very hasty to claim onces a bust and one will be good. For all we know they both can be very good. or both very terrible.

Im surprised cus SD has been a poster for a long time with alot of ups and downs to have such a knee jerk reaction to one game. Geno smith is doing well. If that guy can revive his career theres a chance for the young qb. Give him a chance. Last I checked they let Fields play almost two seasons.

Yeah it's yet to be written for Trey Lance. But you are looking at a guy who hasn't largely played in 3 years. 2 NFL, 1 College (Covid). So he has to come back from all of that and be a super star? I doubt it very much. As of now Fields is much further ahead in all aspects of the game. More experience too. He also is the the better athlete by far. I don't think that's even close. Lance is not that dynamic athletically in game speed on the field at least. Fields definitely is if you watch the games or the film. You can see it. It pops out at you.

I 100% agree. Those who were raving about his running skills were flat out wrong. Lance looks like a fat fullback. He has dissapointed me when it comes to his running but I have a little bit of hope he will develop as a passer.

fields is In that Lamar jackson. 4.3 category it's not even close. let's hope he can throw the ball cus he sure as hell can't run worth a damn

Yes I agree with all of those ones you said. Totally so.

Thru first 19 starts:

Justin Fields --
59% Completion Pct
17-15 TD/INT Ratio
79.4 Passer Rating
988 Rush Yards

Josh Allen --
56.8% Completion Pct
20-19 TD/INT Ratio
74.9 Passer Rating
852 Rush Yards

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
You're right, if we were 3-6 and Trey Lance just had a game where he passed for 121 yards on 4.4 YPA and lost, people here would be losing their minds. No disrespect to Fields, he has shown a lot of improvement, but he's just the latest shiny thing for people here to grasp onto to attack the FO. Last year it was Mac Jones, but since Jones has been mediocre at best, they're now latching onto Fields.

Very true. At 4.5 YPA, that is not only embarrassingly low but utterly futile. He will improve as a passer but people need to pump the breaks on Fields. A hell of a runner but Jackson ran all over New England AND Miami as well, but also did a LOT better as a passer which is to be expected. In week 1 vs the Bears, Lance looked WAY better than Fields as a passer. Layering his throws at all levels of the field until the Monsoon made it almost impossible to pass. So let's all pump the breaks. I think Lance will be the best passer out of all the qbs in that years draft and Fields will be the best runner. Both will be good imo

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Pandering for 123 passing yards and a loss.

If Trey Lance had this game people on here would be losing their minds. But continue hating Fields

Actually for the most part, they would be killing Kyle. That is now 4 games for Justin with over 10+ carries.

Half the board would be pissed at Shanny for 14 carries yesterday. The other half would be calling for his head because the offensive genius couldn't muster more than 123 pass yards and in 9 games this year he has 4 outings with under 125 yards passing. Only one game out 9 with 200 yards or more passing

They weren't all designed runs. Completely different. If Fields drops back, escapes the pocket and gets you 60 yards and a TD, that is awesome.

When the coach "designs" 10+ runs between the tackles for your QB, that is not the same.

They weren't all designed runs here either for Trey but ya'll openly chose and as evidenced by your post above, continue to ignore that.

Trey was running designed runs, or options. Completely different than a QB in the shotgun, dropping back, escaping the pass rush and running. Trey has more than twice as Many rush attempts as throws.

That is why you have a mobile QB. Someone to throw it first, but able to make something happen if and when a play breaks down. Maybe the random designed run to catch a team off balance. Escapability. I didn't see that approach with Trey.

We all watched the same games. You can try as you wish to whitewash history to fit your narrative but it does not change the reality.

Lol, did we? I rarely saw Trey dropping back to pass. He was on target for 14+ runs a game and the most runs by an NFL QB in a season if it continued.

In the Chicago game, they had him running like mad the first half, then after they got behind in points and a monsoon ensued, then they decided to let him air it out.

I'm just saying he wasn't used appropriately, IMO. They should have dropped.him back to pass more, rolled him out on bootlegs, etc instead of hammering him in between the tackles. Had they done that he most likely isn't injured right now.

That said Jimmy played great two weeks ago and if he can continue that, the 49ers can compete in the post season. Go Niners!

Gotta love bringing up the Chicago game as an example. Do you really believe that will be the normal plan?

This is getting awkward for some

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Pandering for 123 passing yards and a loss.

If Trey Lance had this game people on here would be losing their minds. But continue hating Fields

Actually for the most part, they would be killing Kyle. That is now 4 games for Justin with over 10+ carries.

Half the board would be pissed at Shanny for 14 carries yesterday. The other half would be calling for his head because the offensive genius couldn't muster more than 123 pass yards and in 9 games this year he has 4 outings with under 125 yards passing. Only one game out 9 with 200 yards or more passing

They weren't all designed runs. Completely different. If Fields drops back, escapes the pocket and gets you 60 yards and a TD, that is awesome.

When the coach "designs" 10+ runs between the tackles for your QB, that is not the same.

They weren't all designed runs here either for Trey but ya'll openly chose and as evidenced by your post above, continue to ignore that.

Trey was running designed runs, or options. Completely different than a QB in the shotgun, dropping back, escaping the pass rush and running. Trey has more than twice as Many rush attempts as throws.

That is why you have a mobile QB. Someone to throw it first, but able to make something happen if and when a play breaks down. Maybe the random designed run to catch a team off balance. Escapability. I didn't see that approach with Trey.

We all watched the same games. You can try as you wish to whitewash history to fit your narrative but it does not change the reality.

Lol, did we? I rarely saw Trey dropping back to pass. He was on target for 14+ runs a game and the most runs by an NFL QB in a season if it continued.

In the Chicago game, they had him running like mad the first half, then after they got behind in points and a monsoon ensued, then they decided to let him air it out.

I'm just saying he wasn't used appropriately, IMO. They should have dropped.him back to pass more, rolled him out on bootlegs, etc instead of hammering him in between the tackles. Had they done that he most likely isn't injured right now.

That said Jimmy played great two weeks ago and if he can continue that, the 49ers can compete in the post season. Go Niners!

Gotta love bringing up the Chicago game as an example. Do you really believe that will be the normal plan?

How many more chances did he get? The Seattle gameplan was no better. Hence the injury.

Fields looks good. We should have drafted Fields and kept our first rounders. We could a traded for Tyreek Hill. Dumb decisions.

Trey may pan out. May he trash. Who knows. Nine of us do. If you say you do, your speculating and hoping...nothing more.

I'm still cautiously optimistic but I'm high on Fields. We couoda had him....no trades required. Instead they traded up for an FCS project that cost three first rounders.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
You're right, if we were 3-6 and Trey Lance just had a game where he passed for 121 yards on 4.4 YPA and lost, people here would be losing their minds. No disrespect to Fields, he has shown a lot of improvement, but he's just the latest shiny thing for people here to grasp onto to attack the FO. Last year it was Mac Jones, but since Jones has been mediocre at best, they're now latching onto Fields.

Very true. At 4.5 YPA, that is not only embarrassingly low but utterly futile. He will improve as a passer but people need to pump the breaks on Fields. A hell of a runner but Jackson ran all over New England AND Miami as well, but also did a LOT better as a passer which is to be expected. In week 1 vs the Bears, Lance looked WAY better than Fields as a passer. Layering his throws at all levels of the field until the Monsoon made it almost impossible to pass. So let's all pump the breaks. I think Lance will be the best passer out of all the qbs in that years draft and Fields will be the best runner. Both will be good imo

His air yards are really high though so the Jimmy haters should love Fields.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
You're right, if we were 3-6 and Trey Lance just had a game where he passed for 121 yards on 4.4 YPA and lost, people here would be losing their minds. No disrespect to Fields, he has shown a lot of improvement, but he's just the latest shiny thing for people here to grasp onto to attack the FO. Last year it was Mac Jones, but since Jones has been mediocre at best, they're now latching onto Fields.

Very true. At 4.5 YPA, that is not only embarrassingly low but utterly futile. He will improve as a passer but people need to pump the breaks on Fields. A hell of a runner but Jackson ran all over New England AND Miami as well, but also did a LOT better as a passer which is to be expected. In week 1 vs the Bears, Lance looked WAY better than Fields as a passer. Layering his throws at all levels of the field until the Monsoon made it almost impossible to pass. So let's all pump the breaks. I think Lance will be the best passer out of all the qbs in that years draft and Fields will be the best runner. Both will be good imo

His air yards are really high though so the Jimmy haters should love Fields.

Air Yards yada yada. He's an Elite double threat QB and this is his second year...with all new coaching.

His running ability has been great these past few games. He's definitely a burner when he gets open field!

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
His running ability has been great these past few games. He's definitely a burner when he gets open field!

He's getting me some fantasy wins, that's fasho!