Justin Fields and his Steelers

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
BLUD helped me win MY FANTASY CHIP!!!

4 BANDS SECURED!!!

Same here (3rd championship in 9 seasons in this league), well I played him in the Semi's but started CJ Stroud over him in the Final. I still won easily and outscored everyone else that week but that was the only blemish.

Fields was my pick over Lance if the Niners were indeed going to trade all those picks for #3. He has flashed at time and he does have a rocket for an arm (>>>> Lance by a mile). I don't know how he works through his progressions though. He can work on this and his rushing/escape/scrambling ability is something that will always come in handy. If I had to pick at this very time I'd keep him, and trade the #1 for a haul (including a 1st rounder in a future year) and hedge my QB bet on Fields being the franchise starter.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Bears are out of their minds if they don't draft caleb

I guess... Idk what I would do if I'm the Bears GM. OL is a mess. Very rarely is a young QB gonna be successful under a bad OL. Defense still needs a lot of work, and they can definitely use another weapon or two on offense. Idk if I'm the Bears I probably trade down and try and get more picks. Or if Marvin lands to them, they should take him and they can have the best one two WR duo in the NFL.

QB classes are now very deep in the NFL, every year now it seems there's some can't miss prospect.

Trade down, draft BPA, have another good offseason and see if Fields can get better if not, trade, FA, or draft that next QB the following season when the team will be better all around

Bears might be out of their minds IF they draft Caleb.

And that's not just because as an Ohio State fans I like Fields... but know of course that he's not exactly been consistent.

But, and I don't know Caleb Williams but I have heard/read all sorts of noise about selfishness, lack of leadership, sulkiness, attitude issues in short. Kind of a Kyler Murray type of deal coming out of college in that sense or someone mentioned Josh Rosen. At an Ohio State forum someone mentioned that USC players were yelling "We're a team now" in the bowl game in which the backup threw 6 touchdown passes. So he may not even be particularly liked by his own teammates.

But, I can't claim to know all of that either. But if there's smoke there it has to at least be looked at and considered. He didn't play quite as well this year as he did the year before either. Kinda like Sam Darnold coming out of college didn't play as well his last year in college as he did the year before, went to a bad team and situation and well...

He wasn't even the best quarterback in his conference this year. That would be the guy playing for a national title against Jim Harbaugh who absolutely shredded Texas to pieces. But admittedly, I don't see anyone taking Penix Jr. #1 overall with that injury history.

People get hung up on a quarterback because everyone hypes him up. I think it was here, someone called Trevor Lawrence a bust. I wouldn't call him that but I understand where the person is coming from in that Lawrence hasn't exactlylooked/played like a generational best prospect since Andrew Luck. He's good, but once again probably the second best quarterback in his own division this year behind C.J. Stroud. Or at least having the second best year after C.J. Stroud.

If they can get a 2nd or 3rd then trade him immediately

Originally posted by lamontb:
If they can get a 2nd or 3rd then trade him immediately

That would be great value. But who are you drafting at QB?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by lamontb:
If they can get a 2nd or 3rd then trade him immediately

That would be great value. But who are you drafting at QB?

It kind of amazes me that Niners fans in particular are pushing for them to trade Fields and draft Williams or whomever.

I mean, I know we have nothing invested in the Bears. But how did our own move on from Jimmy plan work out? It failed pretty solidly. I mean, if not for good scouting and some dumb luck in landing Purdy with the very last pick of the draft we might be pretty stuck.

Fields has his issues for sure and maybe going to a different situation might be best for him. Maybe a clean break is best for both. But you never know what you're getting with a rookie quarterback out of college. There's a lot of people calling Trevor Lawrence a bust after yesterday. A bit rash and harsh perhaps but he certainly has not been a game changing quarterback. There's people calling that entire draft class a bust. Lawrence, Fields, Lance, Jones, Wilson. And yes you sometimes get a Joe Burrow. But even with that Burrow has already had 2 season ending injuries. That of course is unpredictable and everything is a risk. But if I'm the Bears I either roll with Fields and get better players and maybe some new coaches or I actually see if I can get a more established quarterback with that money I have.

Again, the only quarterback I see being absolutely ready is Penix Jr and taking him number one... I don't know.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by lamontb:
If they can get a 2nd or 3rd then trade him immediately

That would be great value. But who are you drafting at QB?

It kind of amazes me that Niners fans in particular are pushing for them to trade Fields and draft Williams or whomever.

I mean, I know we have nothing invested in the Bears. But how did our own move on from Jimmy plan work out? It failed pretty solidly. I mean, if not for good scouting and some dumb luck in landing Purdy with the very last pick of the draft we might be pretty stuck.

Fields has his issues for sure and maybe going to a different situation might be best for him. Maybe a clean break is best for both. But you never know what you're getting with a rookie quarterback out of college. There's a lot of people calling Trevor Lawrence a bust after yesterday. A bit rash and harsh perhaps but he certainly has not been a game changing quarterback. There's people calling that entire draft class a bust. Lawrence, Fields, Lance, Jones, Wilson. And yes you sometimes get a Joe Burrow. But even with that Burrow has already had 2 season ending injuries. That of course is unpredictable and everything is a risk. But if I'm the Bears I either roll with Fields and get better players and maybe some new coaches or I actually see if I can get a more established quarterback with that money I have.

Again, the only quarterback I see being absolutely ready is Penix Jr and taking him number one... I don't know.

I don't think it's so clear cut which is why I asked who do you draft? Fields hasn't grown since year 1 but does he have the right staff to facilitate that growth and what work does he do on his own? Curious to see how this is handled.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by lamontb:
If they can get a 2nd or 3rd then trade him immediately

That would be great value. But who are you drafting at QB?

It kind of amazes me that Niners fans in particular are pushing for them to trade Fields and draft Williams or whomever.

I mean, I know we have nothing invested in the Bears. But how did our own move on from Jimmy plan work out? It failed pretty solidly. I mean, if not for good scouting and some dumb luck in landing Purdy with the very last pick of the draft we might be pretty stuck.

Fields has his issues for sure and maybe going to a different situation might be best for him. Maybe a clean break is best for both. But you never know what you're getting with a rookie quarterback out of college. There's a lot of people calling Trevor Lawrence a bust after yesterday. A bit rash and harsh perhaps but he certainly has not been a game changing quarterback. There's people calling that entire draft class a bust. Lawrence, Fields, Lance, Jones, Wilson. And yes you sometimes get a Joe Burrow. But even with that Burrow has already had 2 season ending injuries. That of course is unpredictable and everything is a risk. But if I'm the Bears I either roll with Fields and get better players and maybe some new coaches or I actually see if I can get a more established quarterback with that money I have.

Again, the only quarterback I see being absolutely ready is Penix Jr and taking him number one... I don't know.

I don't think it's so clear cut which is why I asked who do you draft? Fields hasn't grown since year 1 but does he have the right staff to facilitate that growth and what work does he do on his own? Curious to see how this is handled.

I mean, he's grown from Year 1. Year 1 his QBR was like 26 and he had 7 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

Last year, interestingly, and most probably don't even realize this, he finished in the Top Ten in league MVP voting in the AP. Now, most of that was his running.

This year his old school QB Rating has ticked up but his QBR has gone down. Some of that is on him but some of it again is it's like the coaching staff has/had no idea what they were doing, imo. They hit on something with him last year at the end of the year and at the beginning of this year they tried something else and it didn't work at all.

Again I'm an Ohio State fan admittedly and I'm rooting for him. I saw I would assume a Bears fan say if you take his Top 20 runs and throws they are some of the most exciting things you will ever see. But he holds the ball too long, misses open receivers, and takes too many sacks.

And I also saw earlier a QB who does tape evaluations say the Bears were running the most simplistic offense he'd almost ever seen at that level and receivers weren't getting any separation, the offensive line was horrible, and guys weren't even lining up or motioning right. The whole thing seems like a mess although of course oddly they got mildly hot toward the end of the year.

I just know it isn't just plug a new quarterback in and everything will be fine. Like I said it didn't go according to plan for us even.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
I mean, he's grown from Year 1. Year 1 his QBR was like 26 and he had 7 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

Last year, interestingly, and most probably don't even realize this, he finished in the Top Ten in league MVP voting in the AP. Now, most of that was his running.

This year his old school QB Rating has ticked up but his QBR has gone down. Some of that is on him but some of it again is it's like the coaching staff has/had no idea what they were doing, imo. They hit on something with him last year at the end of the year and at the beginning of this year they tried something else and it didn't work at all.

Again I'm an Ohio State fan admittedly and I'm rooting for him. I saw I would assume a Bears fan say if you take his Top 20 runs and throws they are some of the most exciting things you will ever see. But he holds the ball too long, misses open receivers, and takes too many sacks.

And I also saw earlier a QB who does tape evaluations say the Bears were running the most simplistic offense he'd almost ever seen at that level and receivers weren't getting any separation, the offensive line was horrible, and guys weren't even lining up or motioning right. The whole thing seems like a mess although of course oddly they got mildly hot toward the end of the year.

I just know it isn't just plug a new quarterback in and everything will be fine. Like I said it didn't go according to plan for us even.

Him getting votes for MVP was one of the more absurd happenings I can remember. He's a great athlete, and a bad quarterback. He had no business getting consideration in a year where he had some flashy highlights but was overall bad on a bad team.

The problem with keeping (and trading for) Fields is that you are really deciding whether he's a player you'd want to give a 2nd contract to. The benefit of drafting another QB is not only are you getting a better prospect (not just Caleb) but you reset the timeline on the rookie deal. And you could probably get a 2nd or 3rd for Fields from a team who misses out on a top rookie. He gets a two year workout with out a ton of investment.

Would expect he's gone and the Bears get a new rookie. But they are the Bears so anything's possible.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Him getting votes for MVP was one of the more absurd happenings I can remember. He's a great athlete, and a bad quarterback. He had no business getting consideration in a year where he had some flashy highlights but was overall bad on a bad team.

The problem with keeping (and trading for) Fields is that you are really deciding whether he's a player you'd want to give a 2nd contract to. The benefit of drafting another QB is not only are you getting a better prospect (not just Caleb) but you reset the timeline on the rookie deal. And you could probably get a 2nd or 3rd for Fields from a team who misses out on a top rookie. He gets a two year workout with out a ton of investment.

Would expect he's gone and the Bears get a new rookie. But they are the Bears so anything's possible.

My thoughts; you want to trade out of #1. Clearly trading out of #1 was a wise move last year, they got DJ Moore and a round 1 last year, and the #1 overall this year. So even trading back to 3 or to top 10, teams will pay a ransom (think SF from 12 to 3). You have an opportunity to develop a deep gifted roster on both sides, around the QB. Forget who the QB is, it has lil to do with Fields, more to do with roster construction. You put a good team on O and D, and the QB may just take care of itself, whether Fields or someone to be named later.

If i were the Bears a trade back to 3 would be ideal. Take Marvin Harrsion JR and get more and more talent. They got a pass rusher in Sweat. I'd build the roster and give Fields one more year.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My thoughts; you want to trade out of #1. Clearly trading out of #1 was a wise move last year, they got DJ Moore and a round 1 last year, and the #1 overall this year. So even trading back to 3 or to top 10, teams will pay a ransom (think SF from 12 to 3). You have an opportunity to develop a deep gifted roster on both sides, around the QB. Forget who the QB is, it has lil to do with Fields, more to do with roster construction. You put a good team on O and D, and the QB may just take care of itself, whether Fields or someone to be named later.

Yea it wasn't wise at all considering it appears there was an elite talent at QB that was there for the taking. They need a QB. They have decent pieces on the team already and an additional top 10 pick. That's the benefit of the trade they already made and they shouldn't pass on potential elite talent just to kick the can down the road. Defense has played well down the stretch. They could be* a potential playoff contender right away.

Originally posted by lamontb:
If i were the Bears a trade back to 3 would be ideal. Take Marvin Harrsion JR and get more and more talent. They got a pass rusher in Sweat. I'd build the roster and give Fields one more year.

I agree and get some other QB in the room. Tyson Bagent undrafted and Nate Peterman that's a joke. Now if they like Bagent so be it, but wouldn't be bad to draft a guy round 4 or heck get someone like Sam Darnold. I hate this mentality of having a pretty unthreatening room, like you don't want your guy to be challenged.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by lamontb:
If i were the Bears a trade back to 3 would be ideal. Take Marvin Harrsion JR and get more and more talent. They got a pass rusher in Sweat. I'd build the roster and give Fields one more year.

I agree and get some other QB in the room. Tyson Bagent undrafted and Nate Peterman that's a joke. Now if they like Bagent so be it, but wouldn't be bad to draft a guy round 4 or heck get someone like Sam Darnold. I hate this mentality of having a pretty unthreatening room, like you don't want your guy to be challenged.

Not to mention they can draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th round that might work out for them.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My thoughts; you want to trade out of #1. Clearly trading out of #1 was a wise move last year, they got DJ Moore and a round 1 last year, and the #1 overall this year. So even trading back to 3 or to top 10, teams will pay a ransom (think SF from 12 to 3). You have an opportunity to develop a deep gifted roster on both sides, around the QB. Forget who the QB is, it has lil to do with Fields, more to do with roster construction. You put a good team on O and D, and the QB may just take care of itself, whether Fields or someone to be named later.

Yea it wasn't wise at all considering it appears there was an elite talent at QB that was there for the taking. They need a QB. They have decent pieces on the team already and an additional top 10 pick. That's the benefit of the trade they already made and they shouldn't pass on potential elite talent just to kick the can down the road. Defense has played well down the stretch. They could he a potential playoff contender right away.

If you were pounding the table for Stroud over Young, at 1 overall, good on you I suppose.. or is that take offered in hindsight?
If they took a QB maybe it's Young at #1, I don't know what their preference was. I think as SF demonstrates, or Wilson or others, the draft when it comes to QBs is a pretty inexact science. Alex over Rodgers, that type of stuff. JaMarcus was one of the best QB prospects of all time. I think NFL clubs can probably evaluate other positions with more clarity on how they project at the next level, and you get more bites at the apple so to speak.