Justin Fields and his Steelers

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
You didnt know that going into the draft. In fairness to him he couldnt have been put into a worse position. If he had gone to Baltimore , for example, and sat and learned behind Lamar i think he would have a chance to be darn good. I admit that i wanted him over Lance though. I just never saw anything special with Trey.

No matter where he went, nothing was going to fix his primary issue which is that he's oblivious to pressure and seems to have no awareness of what is going on around him. He was one of the worst in college when it comes to pressure leading to sacks and that has continued in the NFL. CJ Beathard has the same issue, Fields is just a lot more explosive and talented.

All the measurables are great but his near complete lack of anticipation will always limit him.

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:
Looks like a David Lombardi graph lol otherwise Justin Fields isn't that good. I see Jayden Daniels doing similar things in the league

Daniels is one of a very few major college QB prospects of the last eight years that had a worse pressure to sack rate than Fields so we'll see how that goes but at least he shows some improvement there.

He also got a lot better at avoiding sacks. In 2022, he had a pressure-to-sack rate of 30.8%, meaning he took a sack on 30.8% of his pressured dropbacks. That is catastrophic. Few players who take sacks at this rate will ever work out in the NFL. Thankfully, he improved a lot in this area, lowering his pressure-to-sack rate to 20.2% in 2023. That mark is still high, but his struggles in this area might be manageable if he keeps generating big plays at the rate like he did this past season.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The 49ers got a 4th rounder for Lance even though he had barely played. The Bears get a 6th rounder next year for a guy that started for 3 seasons. One more example of why the Bears have one SB in their history.

There is still a pretty decent level of "unknown" when it comes to Trey Lance. There isnt that level of unknown for Justin Fields. Everyone knows Fields sucks.

You didnt know that going into the draft. In fairness to him he couldnt have been put into a worse position. If he had gone to Baltimore , for example, and sat and learned behind Lamar i think he would have a chance to be darn good. I admit that i wanted him over Lance though. I just never saw anything special with Trey.

Oh no I am not talking about before the draft. I am talking about now. Catch's post was talking about how Lance yielded more than Fields, and is judging the Bears because of it. I dont think the trade compensation the Bears received was a reflection of the Bears being the Bears, but more so because the tape is out on Fields and teams didnt find much value in trading for him. Lance on the other hand, has simply not had the amount of playing time that Fields has (for one reason or another), so there is still a level of unknown with him that there isnt with Fields.

Thats all I meant.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The 49ers got a 4th rounder for Lance even though he had barely played. The Bears get a 6th rounder next year for a guy that started for 3 seasons. One more example of why the Bears have one SB in their history.

Trey Lance hasn't played enough for the league to definitively decide that he has no future. There's a mystery box bonus there.

I do think that the Bears would have gotten a lot more back had they cut ties with Fields a year ago.

Exactly my point. Lance may or may not have a future. With Fields, there is at least much more evidence that he doesnt.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Lance may or may not have a future.

If Kyle Shanahan cannot develop and hone the talents needed to become a successful starting QB in the NFL, I really doubt anyone can.

That said? I am often wrong.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Lance may or may not have a future.

If Kyle Shanahan cannot develop and hone the talents needed to become a successful starting QB in the NFL, I really doubt anyone can.

That said? I am often wrong.

Kyle has a s**tty track record with QBs. This idea that he is a QB guru is insane.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Lance may or may not have a future.

If Kyle Shanahan cannot develop and hone the talents needed to become a successful starting QB in the NFL, I really doubt anyone can.

That said? I am often wrong.

Kyle has a s**tty track record with QBs. This idea that he is a QB guru is insane.

😂 😂 😂

f**king trolls

Rumored to be a possible return man next year lol

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Rumored to be a possible return man next year lol

it's like the Steelers are being run by a 12 year old playing Madden

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it's like the Steelers are being run by a 12 year old playing Madden

Why not try to get the guy to contribute in other ways? He is a really explosive runner. Maybe not so much on kick returns specifically, but at WR too if possible.

i enjoy Rosenthal every year projected starters, he projects Fields over Russ. i tend to agree with his reasoning, also expecting Russ to be QB1 out of the gate:

• Justin Fields and Russell Wilson are such similar players. I expect the Steelers will go with the younger, more explosive version once they see them side by side. Even if Wilson wins the Week 1 job, Fields is my pick to play the most games.

https://www.nfl.com/news/afc-north-projected-starters-for-2024-nfl-season-justin-fields-to-emerge-for-steelers

Maybe add a question mark on the thread title

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i enjoy Rosenthal every year projected starters, he projects Fields over Russ. i tend to agree with his reasoning, also expecting Russ to be QB1 out of the gate:

• Justin Fields and Russell Wilson are such similar players. I expect the Steelers will go with the younger, more explosive version once they see them side by side. Even if Wilson wins the Week 1 job, Fields is my pick to play the most games.

https://www.nfl.com/news/afc-north-projected-starters-for-2024-nfl-season-justin-fields-to-emerge-for-steelers

Justin Fields and Russell Wilson are such similar players? You've got to be kidding me,Russell Wilson is extremely accurate and fields is nothing close to accurate. They both run around and buy time but Russell Wilson usually buys time to throw whereas fields can look at wide-open receivers, not throw the ball and decide to run, take a sack or throw interceptions. What a horrific take by Rosenthal.

Wilson has diminished as a passer and runner so I expect Pittsburgh to lose some games bc if it, but if they put in fields because of that they should be prepared to lose even more games

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i enjoy Rosenthal every year projected starters, he projects Fields over Russ. i tend to agree with his reasoning, also expecting Russ to be QB1 out of the gate:

• Justin Fields and Russell Wilson are such similar players. I expect the Steelers will go with the younger, more explosive version once they see them side by side. Even if Wilson wins the Week 1 job, Fields is my pick to play the most games.

https://www.nfl.com/news/afc-north-projected-starters-for-2024-nfl-season-justin-fields-to-emerge-for-steelers

Justin Fields and Russell Wilson are such similar players? You've got to be kidding me,Russell Wilson is extremely accurate and fields is nothing close to accurate. They both run around and buy time but Russell Wilson usually buys time to throw whereas fields can look at wide-open receivers, not throw the ball and decide to run, take a sack or throw interceptions. What a horrific take by Rosenthal.

Wilson has diminished as a passer and runner so I expect Pittsburgh to lose some games bc if it, but if they put in fields because of that they should be prepared to lose even more games

Wilson isn't the same thrower anymore either. Rosenthal is probably right on this. They will go with Wilson early on, but it just won't do much and they will switch to Fields.

With Fields you at least still have the unknown. You already know what you will get with RW at this stage of his career.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i enjoy Rosenthal every year projected starters, he projects Fields over Russ. i tend to agree with his reasoning, also expecting Russ to be QB1 out of the gate:

• Justin Fields and Russell Wilson are such similar players. I expect the Steelers will go with the younger, more explosive version once they see them side by side. Even if Wilson wins the Week 1 job, Fields is my pick to play the most games.

https://www.nfl.com/news/afc-north-projected-starters-for-2024-nfl-season-justin-fields-to-emerge-for-steelers

Justin Fields and Russell Wilson are such similar players? You've got to be kidding me,Russell Wilson is extremely accurate and fields is nothing close to accurate. They both run around and buy time but Russell Wilson usually buys time to throw whereas fields can look at wide-open receivers, not throw the ball and decide to run, take a sack or throw interceptions. What a horrific take by Rosenthal.

Wilson has diminished as a passer and runner so I expect Pittsburgh to lose some games bc if it, but if they put in fields because of that they should be prepared to lose even more games

Wilson isn't the same thrower anymore either. Rosenthal is probably right on this. They will go with Wilson early on, but it just won't do much and they will switch to Fields.

With Fields you at least still have the unknown. You already know what you will get with RW at this stage of his career.

That's exactly why I said Wilson isn't the same thrower anymore, but there isn't much unknown about Fields, what is known however is he's a horrible processor, has horrible accuracy, has horrible pocket prescence takes too many sacks and makes too many poor decisions. Not to mention, he almost averages a turnover a game and fumbles like it's going out of style. What you get out of Russell Wilson at this stage in his career is so much better than fields but either way the Steelers aren't going to do much except the wildcard team.

So Rosenthal probably isn't right on this. There are nothing close to the same player. That's laughable. Anyone that watches, film or simply watches a football game would know this.