Prayers for Damar Hamlin

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
no it isnt

The hit has to be 1) sufficient force and 2) exact perfect timing

Kids getting punched in the chest suffered this as well

If you wanna be a Q anon preacher im gonna keep opposing you

to say that it's not different just shows how hopelessly clueless you are. I didn't espouse any particular theories, only asking questions and pointing out obvious things (like this has never happened before in the NFL) and you go straight to Q anon accusations (what exactly did I "preach"?), another sign of your inability to critically think.

I can't imagine what life is like for people who actually think this is vaccine related.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
I can't imagine what life is like for people who actually think this is vaccine related.

It's actually nice to critically think. To dismiss out of hand the possibility of any relation to the vaccine is just pure ignorance. You all acting like this happens all the time in the NFL when it has literally never happened. It could be a one in a billion chance hit, or it could be heart complications that made him more vulnerable to this super rare event. What am I saying here that is so unreasonable? I don't know what happened, like all of you, but the facts that we do know begs questions.

You want to put all vax-skeptical people in the same boat, that's fine. But I don't speak for any others, and opinions range broadly. There should be room for discussion without instantly accusing people of being Q anon or whatever.

Originally posted by bsyde82:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
I can't imagine what life is like for people who actually think this is vaccine related.

It's actually nice to critically think. To dismiss out of hand the possibility of any relation to the vaccine is just pure ignorance. You all acting like this happens all the time in the NFL when it has literally never happened. It could be a one in a billion chance hit, or it could be heart complications that made him more vulnerable to this super rare event. What am I saying here that is so unreasonable? I don't know what happened, like all of you, but the facts that we do know begs questions.

You want to put all vax-skeptical people in the same boat, that's fine. But I don't speak for any others, and opinions range broadly. There should be room for discussion without instantly accusing people of being Q anon or whatever.

So then why aren't you critically thinking yourself?

why don't you look up literature on its prevalence / incidence?
then look up what the common age group it happens in .

Then extrapolate what percentage of NFL plays make up for all the football plays in the country (college , HS , pee wee etc )

then you may see how rare this is

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by bsyde82:
I'll get flamed for this, but I think it's fair to ask questions considering this has literally never happened before in the history of the NFL. We know these players go through extreme testing to weed out heart and other health issues so the possibility of him having some undiagnosed pre-existing heart condition seems unlikely. It's fair and worth it to ask questions IMO because JUST IN CASE it has something to do with effects caused by the vaccine, then the health and lives of lots of players are at stake.

I'm no doctor, which is why I want to ask questions. I have seen enough reports about young men getting myocarditis after the vax and I know that condition impacts the heart. What I would want to know is, if someone develops myocarditis, does that make them more vulnerable to super rare events like commotio cordis? Because that would be chilling, especially for the players.

Damar Hamlin

Suffered a cardiac arrest likely due to #commotiocordis.

Some important things to note:

1. Commotio cordis occurs when an object, usually a baseball, hits the chest well.

2. This has to happen at an exact spot in the cardiac cycle (T wave).

(1/) pic.twitter.com/IV8Bw6ITZY

— Jesse Morse, MD (@DrJesseMorse) January 3, 2023

this doctor explains it in very easy language to understand how it's not the vaccine . He even gives examples of this happening to other athlete pre COVID .

Thanks. Isn't the simple fix to increase chest protection in that area via a substance that dissipates and spreads the impact?

Baseball catchers with protection have had the same
thing happen to them

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/high-school-baseball-player-thomas-adams-dies-hit-chest-pitch-practice-article-1.469819

2010. Has equipment changed in 12 years? IDK as to this specifically. No doubt we have the technology to better mitigate this risk.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
So then why aren't you critically thinking yourself?

why don't you look up literature on its prevalence / incidence?
then look up what the common age group it happens in .

Then extrapolate what percentage of NFL plays make up for all the football plays in the country (college , HS , pee wee etc )

then you may see how rare this is

Well I think I am by at least asking questions and digging around, instead of just accepting 100% the first medical tweet diagnosis that gets released.

I think it's very relevant to point out that in all the years of NFL play, this has literally never happened. I've seen someone point out that this has occurred in football before, but they're all teens/kids and I'll bet a lot of them had pre-existing heart conditions, simply because testing at that level is not like the NFL, where they try very hard to weed out any such pre-existing conditions.

So maybe he had a pre-existing condition, but it seems unlikely given the level of testing the NFL does and their legal incentive to not allow players with such conditions to play. So if he didn't have a pre-existing condition, then what else could factor in? It seems reasonable to me to at least speculate that his heart was compromised in a way that made him more vulnerable, and it's fair IMO to ask well if his heart was compromised, why? I'm not coming to any conclusions but I think these are fair questions to ask.

I've read a lot of reports about athletes collapsing like this around the world but I took it with a grain of salt because it's not here, so it felt less reliable. But to see it happen here was eye-opening, when you take all the other reports into account, as well as many medical studies showing an increased risk of myocarditis in young men who have taken the vaccine.

lol at MAGAs and Qs being critical thinkers. The ultimate sheep.

If there's even the slightest possibility of the vax causing myocarditis in athletes or compromising their heart in any way that would leave them more vulnerable to events like this, isn't it worth looking into? What would be the harm in doing so? Versus the potential benefit? I honestly don't understand the way people just shut down others who try to ask questions. I understand it's annoying to see people jump to conclusions, but I'm not doing that, same with many other people asking questions.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
lol at MAGAs and Qs being critical thinkers. The ultimate sheep.

Do you have thoughts? or do you just bleat out MAGA Q Anon, etc?

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by bsyde82:
I'll get flamed for this, but I think it's fair to ask questions considering this has literally never happened before in the history of the NFL. We know these players go through extreme testing to weed out heart and other health issues so the possibility of him having some undiagnosed pre-existing heart condition seems unlikely. It's fair and worth it to ask questions IMO because JUST IN CASE it has something to do with effects caused by the vaccine, then the health and lives of lots of players are at stake.

I'm no doctor, which is why I want to ask questions. I have seen enough reports about young men getting myocarditis after the vax and I know that condition impacts the heart. What I would want to know is, if someone develops myocarditis, does that make them more vulnerable to super rare events like commotio cordis? Because that would be chilling, especially for the players.

Damar Hamlin

Suffered a cardiac arrest likely due to #commotiocordis.

Some important things to note:

1. Commotio cordis occurs when an object, usually a baseball, hits the chest well.

2. This has to happen at an exact spot in the cardiac cycle (T wave).

(1/) pic.twitter.com/IV8Bw6ITZY

— Jesse Morse, MD (@DrJesseMorse) January 3, 2023

this doctor explains it in very easy language to understand how it's not the vaccine . He even gives examples of this happening to other athlete pre COVID .

Thanks. Isn't the simple fix to increase chest protection in that area via a substance that dissipates and spreads the impact?

Baseball catchers with protection have had the same
thing happen to them

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/high-school-baseball-player-thomas-adams-dies-hit-chest-pitch-practice-article-1.469819

2010. Has equipment changed in 12 years? IDK as to this specifically. No doubt we have the technology to better mitigate this risk.

There was a world study on this and there were only 60 international cases (outside the USA ) in 2011 .

their theory was it only involved hard objects like bats , baseballs. , pucks.

but soccer (air filled projectile ) caused over 20% of these accidents .

it really all about the perfect force angle and timing .

Originally posted by bsyde82:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
So then why aren't you critically thinking yourself?

why don't you look up literature on its prevalence / incidence?
then look up what the common age group it happens in .

Then extrapolate what percentage of NFL plays make up for all the football plays in the country (college , HS , pee wee etc )

then you may see how rare this is

Well I think I am by at least asking questions and digging around, instead of just accepting 100% the first medical tweet diagnosis that gets released.

I think it's very relevant to point out that in all the years of NFL play, this has literally never happened. I've seen someone point out that this has occurred in football before, but they're all teens/kids and I'll bet a lot of them had pre-existing heart conditions, simply because testing at that level is not like the NFL, where they try very hard to weed out any such pre-existing conditions.

So maybe he had a pre-existing condition, but it seems unlikely given the level of testing the NFL does and their legal incentive to not allow players with such conditions to play. So if he didn't have a pre-existing condition, then what else could factor in? It seems reasonable to me to at least speculate that his heart was compromised in a way that made him more vulnerable, and it's fair IMO to ask well if his heart was compromised, why? I'm not coming to any conclusions but I think these are fair questions to ask.

I've read a lot of reports about athletes collapsing like this around the world but I took it with a grain of salt because it's not here, so it felt less reliable. But to see it happen here was eye-opening, when you take all the other reports into account, as well as many medical studies showing an increased risk of myocarditis in young men who have taken the vaccine.

Dude , the tweet I showed you has pictures . Just look at them . You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see how this physically happens with a perfect blunt force at the most perfect time .

You aren't critically thinking bc you are ignoring the numbers I told you to look up .

Originally posted by bsyde82:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
lol at MAGAs and Qs being critical thinkers. The ultimate sheep.

Do you have thoughts? or do you just bleat out MAGA Q Anon, etc?

Yes, and some of them include looking down on those who think they are critical thinkers who "do their own research" online to support their preconceived notions. I also laugh at people who use "bleat" to reply a comment that hits close to home. I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt. I'll move on. Have a blessed day!

Saw the play live. First thought was of Thomas Herrion. Earily similar in many ways. Wife is in the medical field and saw it when they showed the first replay. Took one look and said it was cardiac arrest from the way he fell. Not something most people have ever even seen before. Feels like we're just waiting now to see what the underlying condition was, and for ffs it wasn't vaccines. Hoping he pulls through.

Commotio cordis is ventricular fibrillation precipitated by blunt trauma to the heart, not attributable to structural damage to the heart or surrounding structures.[1] Its Latin etymology, "agitation of the heart," describes the suspected mechanism whereby significant distortion of the myocardium creates enough mechanical energy to cause inappropriate depolarization, resulting in an unstable dysrhythmia.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
There was a world study on this and there were only 60 international cases (outside the USA ) in 2011 .

their theory was it only involved hard objects like bats , baseballs. , pucks.

but soccer (air filled projectile ) caused over 20% of these accidents .

it really all about the perfect force angle and timing .

Following up on the second and third lines above. Are you implying that the conclusion was inaccurate because softer objects were also a cause?

In any case, don't you think that it is worth better mitigation efforts? Do you think that's possible?