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Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Yes, and some of them include looking down on those who think they are critical thinkers who "do their own research" online to support their preconceived notions. I also laugh at people who use "bleat" to reply a comment that hits close to home. I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt. I'll move on. Have a blessed day!

lol "bleat" is just a word, yet you think my usage of the word means something deeper. I guess that passes for critical thinking. No feelings hurt.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
So then why aren't you critically thinking yourself?

why don't you look up literature on its prevalence / incidence?
then look up what the common age group it happens in .

Then extrapolate what percentage of NFL plays make up for all the football plays in the country (college , HS , pee wee etc )

then you may see how rare this is

People trying to force that idiotic correlation have likely never taken even a single statistics, bio-statistics, nor epidemiology course and are at most just pubmed browsers that don't comprehend what they're reading. They are not critical thinkers and aren't going to understand what you're saying unfortunately.
[ Edited by blunt_probe on Jan 3, 2023 at 12:29 PM ]
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Dude , the tweet I showed you has pictures . Just look at them . You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see how this physically happens with a perfect blunt force at the most perfect time .

You aren't critically thinking bc you are ignoring the numbers I told you to look up .

Yes, that tweet thread is well known by now. Blunt force object from a baseball or hockey puck seems different from a regular nfl tackle. Maybe they're the same, but they seem very different in terms of being able to delivery blunt trauma to a very specific area, and I wonder why this hasn't occurred in the NFL, ever? This last part is the biggest factor for me - it's never happened before. Was Hamlin just THAT unlucky?
Originally posted by bsyde82:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Dude , the tweet I showed you has pictures . Just look at them . You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see how this physically happens with a perfect blunt force at the most perfect time .

You aren't critically thinking bc you are ignoring the numbers I told you to look up .

Yes, that tweet thread is well known by now. Blunt force object from a baseball or hockey puck seems different from a regular nfl tackle. Maybe they're the same, but they seem very different in terms of being able to delivery blunt trauma to a very specific area, and I wonder why this hasn't occurred in the NFL, ever? This last part is the biggest factor for me - it's never happened before. Was Hamlin just THAT unlucky?

i mean, it's very possible. what else do you think happened
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Commotio cordis is ventricular fibrillation precipitated by blunt trauma to the heart, not attributable to structural damage to the heart or surrounding structures.[1] Its Latin etymology, "agitation of the heart," describes the suspected mechanism whereby significant distortion of the myocardium creates enough mechanical energy to cause inappropriate depolarization, resulting in an unstable dysrhythmia.

but could myocarditis weaken a heart, and then leave that person more vulnerable to commotio cordis? That's what I would like to know.
Originally posted by bsyde82:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Yes, and some of them include looking down on those who think they are critical thinkers who "do their own research" online to support their preconceived notions. I also laugh at people who use "bleat" to reply a comment that hits close to home. I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt. I'll move on. Have a blessed day!

lol "bleat" is just a word, yet you think my usage of the word means something deeper. I guess that passes for critical thinking. No feelings hurt.
Awesome!

DM me when JFK returns, please. Thanks!
Originally posted by luv49rs:
i mean, it's very possible. what else do you think happened

if you say a one in a billion chance event is very possible, then I think it's fair to say it's possible that vax-induced heart issues left him more vulnerable to this sort of event.
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
There was a world study on this and there were only 60 international cases (outside the USA ) in 2011 .

their theory was it only involved hard objects like bats , baseballs. , pucks.

but soccer (air filled projectile ) caused over 20% of these accidents .

it really all about the perfect force angle and timing .
Following up on the second and third lines above. Are you implying that the conclusion was inaccurate because softer objects were also a cause?

In any case, don't you think that it is worth better mitigation efforts? Do you think that's possible?

The study basically said mild / moderate force can trigger these events .

and think about how many international soccers games , cricket , baseball , karate etc...... and only 60
cases .

Is it worth it to mitigate when you have a better chance of winning the powerball?
Originally posted by bsyde82:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
So then why aren't you critically thinking yourself?

why don't you look up literature on its prevalence / incidence?
then look up what the common age group it happens in .

Then extrapolate what percentage of NFL plays make up for all the football plays in the country (college , HS , pee wee etc )

then you may see how rare this is

Well I think I am by at least asking questions and digging around, instead of just accepting 100% the first medical tweet diagnosis that gets released.

I think it's very relevant to point out that in all the years of NFL play, this has literally never happened. I've seen someone point out that this has occurred in football before, but they're all teens/kids and I'll bet a lot of them had pre-existing heart conditions, simply because testing at that level is not like the NFL, where they try very hard to weed out any such pre-existing conditions.

So maybe he had a pre-existing condition, but it seems unlikely given the level of testing the NFL does and their legal incentive to not allow players with such conditions to play. So if he didn't have a pre-existing condition, then what else could factor in? It seems reasonable to me to at least speculate that his heart was compromised in a way that made him more vulnerable, and it's fair IMO to ask well if his heart was compromised, why? I'm not coming to any conclusions but I think these are fair questions to ask.

I've read a lot of reports about athletes collapsing like this around the world but I took it with a grain of salt because it's not here, so it felt less reliable. But to see it happen here was eye-opening, when you take all the other reports into account, as well as many medical studies showing an increased risk of myocarditis in young men who have taken the vaccine.

Even with rigorous testing in the NFL and other sports leagues, there are underlying heart conditions that require more in depth testing than what's normally done, such as a heart CT or a nuclear stress test, to be detected.

My best friend collapsed and died of a heart attack in front of me while we were playing high school soccer. He was one of the fastest guys on our team. My state now requires defibrillators on site during games, as a result. In May of '21, Denmark's Christian Eriksen went into cardiac arrest for five minutes during a game. Fortunately he was resuscitated and after surgery is now playing again. Neither his club, Inter Milan (worth $1 Billion), or country detected anything in testing. In professional leagues there have been numerous heart related fatalities. None of them related to a vaccine.
Originally posted by bsyde82:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Commotio cordis is ventricular fibrillation precipitated by blunt trauma to the heart, not attributable to structural damage to the heart or surrounding structures.[1] Its Latin etymology, "agitation of the heart," describes the suspected mechanism whereby significant distortion of the myocardium creates enough mechanical energy to cause inappropriate depolarization, resulting in an unstable dysrhythmia.

but could myocarditis weaken a heart, and then leave that person more vulnerable to commotio cordis? That's what I would like to know.

It has nothing to do with the structure . It has everything to do with interrupting the electrical wave in the heart at the perfect angle and time .
Originally posted by bsyde82:
Originally posted by luv49rs:
i mean, it's very possible. what else do you think happened

if you say a one in a billion chance event is very possible, then I think it's fair to say it's possible that vax-induced heart issues left him more vulnerable to this sort of event.

dude if the vax caused heart issues there would be an dramatic uptick in heart attacks, cardiac arrests, etc period. Get this antivax nonsense out of here.
Just got to hope now he didn't lose too much oxygen to the Brain.
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
So then why aren't you critically thinking yourself?

why don't you look up literature on its prevalence / incidence?
then look up what the common age group it happens in .

Then extrapolate what percentage of NFL plays make up for all the football plays in the country (college , HS , pee wee etc )

then you may see how rare this is

People trying to force that idiotic correlation have likely never taken even a single statistics, bio-statistics, nor epidemiology course and are at most just pubmed browsers that don't comprehend what they're reading. They are not critical thinkers and aren't going to understand what you're saying unfortunately.
You are so right
Originally posted by bsyde82:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:

this doctor explains it in very easy language to understand how it's not the vaccine . He even gives examples of this happening to other athlete pre COVID .

case closed then right?

Why has this literally never happened in the NFL before?

Extremely rare events should happen extremely rarely.
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
dude if the vax caused heart issues there would be an dramatic uptick in heart attacks, cardiac arrests, etc period. Get this antivax nonsense out of here.

why? a compromised heart can mean many things. Doesn't necessarily have to lead to a bunch of people dropping dead. look up myocarditis - people don't just drop dead when they develop it, but it can lead to complications that don't show up until way later.
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