Prayers for Damar Hamlin

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
And? It could have been the donut you ate that morning. It's possible.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I am an emergency medicine and critical care physician. I deal with cardiac arrests from numerous causes all the time. This has nothing to do with the vaccine. End of story.

Is there an infinitesimal small remote possibility that a prior COVID infection caused myocarditis in this young man leading to higher chance of VF/VT? Yes, but he also couldn't even have gone through a warm up/workout let alone a practice or a game without having extreme symptoms. This is almost 100% certainty not related to COVID in any way (despite what internet and message board trolls might suggest).

There's also a small chance of a preexisting heart condition (HOCM, long QT, Brugada) that could have precipitated this event but that's also extraordinarily rare. Athletes are screened with ECHOs / ECGs to evaluate for these abnormalities (though they can sometimes be missed) after Reggie Lewis' unfortunate death in 1993. My sister is a Cardiologist in Arizona and did the screenings for the AZ Diamondbacks so I know they do at least ECHOs / ECGs.

The most likely cause is what everyone on the internet and twitter is already saying. A cardiac contusion leading to VF/VT or Commotio cordis as a result of blunt force trauma from the hit he took to the chest. The replay of the hit also suggests this.

The doctors in the ICU at his hospital are aware of all of this and are evaluating him for every possible cause and working up all injuries.

Let's just let him recover, hope for the best, and await official updates.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Haha, guess not. I didn't want to address the troll directly but my post was meant for him.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Hope he pulls through. Like everyone else I was struck with emotions watching it unfold. I can't even imagine being on the field when it happened, I hope Tee Higgins is okay and everyone knows it's not his fault.

Also, don't mean to be too political, but the people that use this to further whatever vaccine agenda they have are clowns.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

I am an emergency medicine and critical care physician. I deal with cardiac arrests from numerous causes all the time. This has nothing to do with the vaccine. End of story.

Is there an infinitesimal small remote possibility that a prior COVID infection caused myocarditis in this young man leading to higher chance of VF/VT? Yes, but he also couldn't even have gone through a warm up/workout let alone a practice or a game without having extreme symptoms. This is almost 100% certainty not related to COVID in any way (despite what internet and message board trolls might suggest).

There's also a small chance of a preexisting heart condition (HOCM, long QT, Brugada) that could have precipitated this event but that's also extraordinarily rare. Athletes are screened with ECHOs / ECGs to evaluate for these abnormalities (though they can sometimes be missed) after Reggie Lewis' unfortunate death in 1993. My sister is a Cardiologist in Arizona and did the screenings for the AZ Diamondbacks so I know they do at least ECHOs / ECGs.

The most likely cause is what everyone on the internet and twitter is already saying. A cardiac contusion leading to VF/VT or Commotio cordis as a result of blunt force trauma from the hit he took to the chest. The replay of the hit also suggests this.

The doctors in the ICU at his hospital are aware of all of this and are evaluating him for every possible cause and working up all injuries.

Let's just let him recover, hope for the best, and await official updates.

Originally posted by bsyde82:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Haha, guess not. I didn't want to address the troll directly but my post was meant for him.

Oh I'm a troll? for expressing a different opinion? Where in my comments do I come off like a troll? You are aware there are many physicians besides you that hold different opinions, right?

Originally posted by IGSXIII:
I came here for any updates on the kid's condition and find myself in an anti-vax thread?

Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:

Originally posted by bsyde82:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Haha, guess not. I didn't want to address the troll directly but my post was meant for him.

Oh I'm a troll? for expressing a different opinion? Where in my comments do I come off like a troll? You are aware there are many physicians besides you that hold different opinions, right?

If the shoe fits. Anyone that equates "infinitesimal small remote possibility" and "This is almost 100% certainty not related to COVID in any way" to "it's possible", says all. Then dismissing a physician's opinion because it's not served with tinfoil, is the cherry on top.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I am an emergency medicine and critical care physician. I deal with cardiac arrests from numerous causes all the time. This has nothing to do with the vaccine. End of story.

Is there an infinitesimal small remote possibility that a prior COVID infection caused myocarditis in this young man leading to higher chance of VF/VT. Yes, but he also couldn't even have gone through a warm up/workout let alone a practice or a game without having extreme symptoms.

There's also a small chance of a preexisting heart condition (HOCM, long QT, Brugada) that could have precipitated this event but that's also extraordinarily rare. Athletes are screened with ECHOs / ECGs to evaluate for these abnormalities (though they can sometimes be missed) after Reggie Lewis' unfortunate death in 1993. My sister is a Cardiologist in Arizona and did the screenings for the AZ Diamondbacks so I know they do at least ECHOs / ECGs.

The most likely cause if what everyone on the internet and twitter is already saying. A cardiac contusion leading to VF/VT or Commotio cordis as a result of blunt force trauma from the hit he took to the chest.

The doctors in the ICU at his hospital are aware of all of this and are evaluating him for every possible cause and working up all injuries.

Let's just let him recover, hope for the best, and await official updates.

Well, you are clearly not a critical thinker.

Haha, guess not. I didn't want to address the troll directly but my post was meant for him.

Originally posted by IGSXIII:
I came here for any updates on the kid's condition and find myself in an anti-vax thread?

Originally posted by bsyde82:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

And? It could have been the donut you ate that morning. It's possible.

he's saying it's possible. That's all, is that too hard to comprehend? Because it seems like most here are saying it's impossible.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

I am an emergency medicine and critical care physician. I deal with cardiac arrests from numerous causes all the time. This has nothing to do with the vaccine. End of story.

Is there an infinitesimal small remote possibility that a prior COVID infection caused myocarditis in this young man leading to higher chance of VF/VT? Yes, but he also couldn't even have gone through a warm up/workout let alone a practice or a game without having extreme symptoms. This is almost 100% certainty not related to COVID in any way (despite what internet and message board trolls might suggest).

There's also a small chance of a preexisting heart condition (HOCM, long QT, Brugada) that could have precipitated this event but that's also extraordinarily rare. Athletes are screened with ECHOs / ECGs to evaluate for these abnormalities (though they can sometimes be missed) after Reggie Lewis' unfortunate death in 1993. My sister is a Cardiologist in Arizona and did the screenings for the AZ Diamondbacks so I know they do at least ECHOs / ECGs.

The most likely cause is what everyone on the internet and twitter is already saying. A cardiac contusion leading to VF/VT or Commotio cordis as a result of blunt force trauma from the hit he took to the chest. The replay of the hit also suggests this.

The doctors in the ICU at his hospital are aware of all of this and are evaluating him for every possible cause and working up all injuries.

Let's just let him recover, hope for the best, and await official updates.

have you ever witnessed a grown man playing football experiencing an event like this? the hit was nothing special. In fact, it barely qualifies as a "hit" when you think about all the hits that occur all the time in the NFL.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Driving to grocery store is 1/3000 chance something bad happens .

this conditions is in the billions . It would be like making my house airplane proof incase a plane crashed into it .

+ Show all quotes I get the first point. You are side-stepping the issues that I am raising, as evidenced by the accented above, however.

Factors to consider are likelihood of negative result, severity of negative result, and cost of mitigation or prevention of negative result.

Using the first example (car crash), the odds of a negative result are quite low, but not minuscule. The current cost of mitigating that risk (since cars must have seat belts) is negligible - a second to buckle up. The impact of that choice is to greatly reduce risk of serious injury of death. In sum, a solid cost/benefit in favor of putting a seat belt on, right? Same would be true as to putting a child in a car seat.

Using your example (plane crash into house a la Donny Darko), the odds of a negative result are next to zero, the impact of the negative result is high (death and destruction), and the cost to prevent the harm is astronomical (adamantium structure?) if not impossible. Conclusion - not worth it.

The situation here is in the middle. Assuming for our discussion that players could wear a chest pad that drops the risk of cardiac arrest to near zero and that the cost for such a pad is small($50 or less), is it worth it? You appear to say no, it is not. I disagree. I suspect that many parents would as well, particularly in the aftermath of this high profile tragedy and assuming the cause is as suspected.

Think of this way , how is the prevention of concussions going ?

but it's a great business idea. Bc you can probably sell a billion of them before you get sued for it not working .

I think the prevention of concussions is probably up since helmet use has increased (and technology has improved) in football, baseball, hockey and other sports. I also know first-hand that youth sports have really focused on diagnosing and preventing the issue in recent years, which has helped. Do you disagree?

On the last point, if the product worked, why would the manufacturer get sued? Again, I am assuming for arguments sake that fairly cheap technology exists to reduce the current level of risk to zero.

I think you are misunderstanding me. Or else you just don't want to discuss this seriously. I'm not attacking you at all - just trying to have a conversation - yet you shoot back glib and tangential responses.