Super Bowl LVII - First ever Super Bowl to feature two African American Quarterbacks.

Also, from the video posted by blizzuntz, it's pretty clear and obvious the hold did in fact affect the WRs motion. This argument is over. It was a foul, and it affected the route. Holding is not dependent on the pass being catchable. There is no debate about whether or not that was a foul.

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EDIT--the referenced video:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

NFL Films gets the perfect shot of the hold on Juju Smith-Schuster. #Chiefs pic.twitter.com/eB3CL0paW1

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) February 15, 2023

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Also, from the video posted by blizzuntz, it's pretty clear and obvious the hold did in fact affect the WRs motion. This argument is over. It was a foul, and it affected the route. Holding is not dependent on the pass being catchable. There is no debate about whether or not that was a foul.

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EDIT--the referenced video:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

NFL Films gets the perfect shot of the hold on Juju Smith-Schuster. #Chiefs pic.twitter.com/eB3CL0paW1

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) February 15, 2023

I think most aren't saying it wasn't a hold/foul. Most of the people I've talked to commented saying that stuff happens every play but doesn't get called or rarely does and it gets called at that moment in the game. I agree with them. Hell that holding probably happens to our receivers more than anyone and never gets called...

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
I think most aren't saying it wasn't a hold/foul. Most of the people I've talked to commented saying that stuff happens every play but doesn't get called or rarely does and it gets called at that moment in the game. I agree with them. Hell that holding probably happens to our receivers more than anyone and never gets called...

Whether it's soft or not, ya just can't be doing stuff like that in the SB & late in the game. Keep cryin Eagles

It was a penalty but my issue with it is the refs are not consistant. They won't call that in the 1st quarter but they will call it with less than 2 minutes left in the game. And whether the call was right or not it did decide the game. Also if DB's are not allowed to hold at all, Then neither should Olinemen. I am just sick of everything favoring the offense to the point that the defense is pretty much handicapped. Olinemen are allowed to hold constantly, QB's can't be breathed on, WR's are allowed to push off but DB's can't touch them at all. And now the rugby play is another advantage offenses have.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Also, from the video posted by blizzuntz, it's pretty clear and obvious the hold did in fact affect the WRs motion. This argument is over. It was a foul, and it affected the route. Holding is not dependent on the pass being catchable. There is no debate about whether or not that was a foul.

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EDIT--the referenced video:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

NFL Films gets the perfect shot of the hold on Juju Smith-Schuster. #Chiefs pic.twitter.com/eB3CL0paW1

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) February 15, 2023

Bad call. There is a reason they have to stop the video at the very moment he closes fist. Why do they feel the need to do that? Why try to make it look bad if it actually was bad? He's already opening his hand when they start the video back up lol. If you think .5 seconds of a closed fist is enough to end a SB, then you want this sport to go to trash.

Also the half second hands to face/face mask in the background on sweat needs to be called here if we want every little irrelevant technicality called in these situations

By the law, it's holding....but that 'ticky tack' call truly decided the Super Bowl. As has been mentioned, the refs can call a penalty on every play...but they let the vast majority go. Look at practically every single hail mary.....there is interference/holding on that play almost every time, and yet there hardly, if ever is a penalty called. Why is that? Because games shouldn't be decided on flags, and this Super Bowl was - and in large part because of the favoritism towards the KC QB.

The game itself would've been far better had that flag not been thrown - there is no doubt about that. Chiefs lead by three, with the Eagles getting a crack at it with a minute and a half left. That Super Bowl went from one of the best ones I've seen, to yet another dud. The league got what they want.....another Super Bowl from the face of the league.

I just don't watch the game to see to see stupid s**t like that. There are certain penalties that need to be called, but that just ain't it. I think we miss out on what makes the NFL (and sports in general) great. Imagine the moments that don't happen in the past with this kind of BS. 2 straight years they've iced the SB on ticky tack calls. This is not the direction we should be wanting to go down as fans

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I just don't watch the game to see to see stupid s**t like that. There are certain penalties that need to be called, but that just ain't it. I think we miss out on what makes the NFL (and sports in general) great. Imagine the moments that don't happen in the past with this kind of BS. 2 straight years they've iced the SB on ticky tack calls. This is not the direction we should be wanting to go down as fans

Yup I feel this way too. 56 was officiated so bad it's hard to tell who would have won a correctly officated game. It went both ways. This one I was enjoying them letting both teams play, then a ticky tack foul to deny a legendary Hurts final drive to maybe tie or even win. Greg Olson and Steve Young both a lot of football played, both did not like this call.

yeah consistency is the issue not the actual foul. so no "the argument" isn't over. holding happens in almost every play. when the refs choose to enforce it is the problem.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
By the law, it's holding....but that 'ticky tack' call truly decided the Super Bowl. As has been mentioned, the refs can call a penalty on every play...but they let the vast majority go. Look at practically every single hail mary.....there is interference/holding on that play almost every time, and yet there hardly, if ever is a penalty called. Why is that? Because games shouldn't be decided on flags

This is a good point remember that NYG vs SF comeback with Garcia and the Giants effed up the field goal so bad they ended up having their holder chuck it downfield and they actually wanted a PI on this. It would have been complete BS in my opinion. Almost like the refs need some common sense to say NYG messed up that play so bad, they don't get bailed out with a game winning field goal, they had their chance.

I have zero issue with the call. It was soft, yes. But a penalty is a penalty. And I do believe that the Chiefs were f**ked out of a fumble recovery touchdown earlier in the game, so I would say it more than evened out.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I have zero issue with the call. It was soft, yes. But a penalty is a penalty. And I do believe that the Chiefs were f**ked out of a fumble recovery touchdown earlier in the game, so I would say it more than evened out.

That was a fairly obvious incomplete pass by the rules of the game. They just let em play out, which is what they are taught to do.

the same vid shows hands to the face on Brown against Sweat but the refs chose not to call that one. just an example of how you can find a penalty on practically any play.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I have zero issue with the call. It was soft, yes. But a penalty is a penalty. And I do believe that the Chiefs were f**ked out of a fumble recovery touchdown earlier in the game, so I would say it more than evened out.

That was a fairly obvious incomplete pass by the rules of the game. They just let em play out, which is what they are taught to do.

Really? Because after he caught it, he turned his body upfield and took 1 step before he was hit. Is that not a football move? Just because it happened really really fast doesnt mean a football move wasnt made.

I actually think by the rules of the game, it was a completely blown call. The ONLY reason I think the refs said it wasnt was because of how fast the football move was made....which of course, is no where in the rules.

Originally posted by boast:
the same vid shows hands to the face on Brown against Sweat but the refs chose not to call that one. just an example of how you can find a penalty on practically any play.

NFL Films gets the perfect shot of the hold on Juju Smith-Schuster. #Chiefs pic.twitter.com/eB3CL0paW1

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) February 15, 2023

Just maybe 7 refs can't see what all 22 players are doing on a 120 yd by 50 yd field.