Coach - Steve Wilks thread

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
talk is cheap wilks!

u was supposed to fix it after the browns but instead it got worse, now u got joe burrow to deal with

"...there's certain things that go with (this) particular defense. I'm learning that. There's certain things that you can't sway away from. So as we evaluate, as I evaluate and talk to the coaches, most importantly as well as Kyle, I see those things. So again, that's why I'm not panicking. I know we have the personnel. I know we have the talent. I just got to do a better job putting them in a position."

He's saying what we want to hear, so it sounds like he recognizes what we've all been saying.

Now he's gotta go put action behind those words. Like the saying goes.. "Don't tell me, show me!"

I dont think it is an over sensilization to say we all kind of expect a vet coordinator to have a fundamental understanding of how the parts fit together.

This ain't a 40 hour a week manager that jacked up his labor availability because he forgot next weekend if a major holiday, one would kind of expect he had broken down every aspect of what he had and what he could do with it, with in weeks of taking the position. We are not talking about the complex social interactions and make up of the roster...we are talking fundamental Xs and Os of football.

So yeah....he is saying what we want to hear, he is saying anything that will turn down the heat and buy him more time.

anyway.....

TBH what I am hearing is, hey guys I did not take ownership of this defense....my bad....ill get right on it.

I don't know enough about the guy to even speculate about why. Maybe he is low-keyed offended that he has to mesh what he wants to do, to what the players have done in the past. Maybe he loves the idea and thought he was clever enough to do that, and like the rest of us he is learning first hand it just does not work...I dont know....

Maybe this mistake is on Kyle and John.... and they should have just gotten a guy who has a track record of doing what they want done on defense, and it is not Wilk's fault he cant make two very different systems mesh.

The only real upside in all this is the team is feeling the heat. That is a good thing, it means they are in the same boat as the fans. There is a real opportunity this season and none of us want it to go to waste.

Calls like that get coordinators fired. Inexcusable risk for no real reason.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Calls like that get coordinators fired. Inexcusable risk for no real reason.

We could still be undefeated If not for that dumb call before the half and If Moody had made that fg against the Browns.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Calls like that get coordinators fired. Inexcusable risk for no real reason.

We could still be undefeated If not for that dumb call before the half and If Moody had made that fg against the Browns.

wilks has been making bonehead calls a lot in all games. Teams know to just run screens as we won't adjust

Originally posted by Niners99:
Calls like that get coordinators fired. Inexcusable risk for no real reason.

Other than frustration but that's not good either.

As long as this a*****e is DC we always have the opportunity to blow a game.

Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

Well... when you consider the context of those 17-point games, then it starts to get a lot less comical IMO.

Field conditions @ CLE, 2 missed kicks. Defense dominated in the run game, giving our offense less time on the field.

1 missed kick @ MIN. Defense was embarrassed in the run AND pass game, allowing MIN massive TOP and our offense less time on the field.

On top of all that, realistically, offense isn't gonna put up 28+ every week.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

Well... when you consider the context of those 17-point games, then it starts to get a lot less comical IMO.

Field conditions @ CLE, 2 missed kicks. Defense dominated in the run game, giving our offense less time on the field.

1 missed kick @ MIN. Defense was embarrassed in the run AND pass game, allowing MIN massive TOP and our offense less time on the field.

On top of all that, realistically, offense isn't gonna put up 28+ every week.

Context? You mean excuses. If weather affected Purdy's ability to grip the football that much, affected receivers ability to run routes that much, etc. Why did Shanahan abandon the run in a 1 score game? In fact, he did just that 2 weeks in a row.

The defense set up the offense in great field position after an INT in the MIN game and the offense came away with zero points after making it into the redzone. Must have been the defenses fault, right? Because perhaps Ward should have scored for them as well

I am not saying that the defense doesn't deserve some of the blame but they certainly do not deserve most of the blame as a lot of 49ers fans have been stating over the past few days. Everyone needs to take a look in the mirror. That includes Shanahan, Wilks and all players on offense, defense and ST's.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

well deserved team Ls in all phases

Hey everyone, so if our defense is complete trash again this week and we lose I think Wilks has to be fired going into the bye week.

But my question is, does anyone know who could possibly replace him? Do we have any fiery younger positional coaches on the defense that might have potential?

If you ever listen to guys like Donte Whitner and Richard Sherman break down plays you can see how knowledgeable they are. Of course they're not in coaching right now and I don't know how they would be as coaches, but young former players like that who are coaching should be looked into. Need a D coordinator who relates to the players more and fires them up on the sidelines like Demeco and Saleh did. I think that was actually an important part of their coaching

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

Well... when you consider the context of those 17-point games, then it starts to get a lot less comical IMO.

Field conditions @ CLE, 2 missed kicks. Defense dominated in the run game, giving our offense less time on the field.

1 missed kick @ MIN. Defense was embarrassed in the run AND pass game, allowing MIN massive TOP and our offense less time on the field.

On top of all that, realistically, offense isn't gonna put up 28+ every week.

Context? You mean excuses. If weather affected Purdy's ability to grip the football that much, affected receivers ability to run routes that much, etc. Why did Shanahan abandon the run in a 1 score game? In fact, he did just that 2 weeks in a row.

The defense set up the offense in great field position after an INT in the MIN game and the offense came away with zero points after making it into the redzone. Must have been the defenses fault, right? Because perhaps Ward should have scored for them as well

I am not saying that the defense doesn't deserve some of the blame but they certainly do not deserve most of the blame as a lot of 49ers fans have been stating over the past few days. Everyone needs to take a look in the mirror. That includes Shanahan, Wilks and all players on offense, defense and ST's.

I'm not being combative about this, FYI. Just making an observation. One could say: What's the excuse for Wilks' play-calling and the defense getting obliterated against the run?

My point was definitely not that it was "all their fault," it's that they've had a huge part to play in all this. They know it, they've admitted it. I'm not absolving the offense of blame for their mistakes, I'm merely pointing out the fact that getting dominated in the TOP battle because the defense can't get off the field can and does absolutely affect the amount of scoring opportunities. The offense moved the ball well, and blaming them for lower scoring output due to the combination of Moody's misses, Purdy's post-concussion mistakes (getting the feeling that had a huge part in those), and the defense being out there so long and limiting our time on offense, I think does not totally put proper context into the scoring total. That's all I'm saying.

We are in full agreement that it's not been all one thing. I posted in the game thread the other day stating it was yet another game full of mistakes where if you take a single one away we still win. Offense, defense, special teams all have had mistakes.

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Hey everyone, so if our defense is complete trash again this week and we lose I think Wilks has to be fired going into the bye week.

But my question is, does anyone know who could possibly replace him? Do we have any fiery younger positional coaches on the defense that might have potential?

If you ever listen to guys like Donte Whitner and Richard Sherman break down plays you can see how knowledgeable they are. Of course they're not in coaching right now and I don't know how they would be as coaches, but young former players like that who are coaching should be looked into. Need a D coordinator who relates to the players more and fires them up on the sidelines like Demeco and Saleh did. I think that was actually an important part of their coaching

I like Whitner's post game analysis but it is post game. It's always easier to 2nd guess when you know the results and can go back and look at the film. The DC has to call the alignment based on what he sees the other team doing. The problem is they don't always do it. Offenses are designed to fool the defense. It becomes a game of cat and mouse. Sometimes the D guesses right and sometimes they're completely fooled.

If I have any problems with Wilks it's his failure to change things up. I don't see a lot of stunts in his defense and his blitzes aren't getting home. Maybe they aren't disguised very well. I also prefer the DC on the sideline. Spotters in the both can relay things to him but I like seeing the DC fire up the players when they come off the field. Saleh and Ryans did it that way. Pete Carroll does it. Maybe Wilks should try it. It also allows him to get direct feedback from the players during the game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

well deserved team Ls in all phases

No doubt.

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Hey everyone, so if our defense is complete trash again this week and we lose I think Wilks has to be fired going into the bye week.

But my question is, does anyone know who could possibly replace him? Do we have any fiery younger positional coaches on the defense that might have potential?

If you ever listen to guys like Donte Whitner and Richard Sherman break down plays you can see how knowledgeable they are. Of course they're not in coaching right now and I don't know how they would be as coaches, but young former players like that who are coaching should be looked into. Need a D coordinator who relates to the players more and fires them up on the sidelines like Demeco and Saleh did. I think that was actually an important part of their coaching

This.
Not sure it would happen though but also not sure how much more crap DC performance he will put up with. Guessing not a whole lot lol. If it comes down to another crap performance, we can't afford it. I could see K/L making the cut, not sure who they would replace him with though.