Coach - Steve Wilks thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Hey everyone, so if our defense is complete trash again this week and we lose I think Wilks has to be fired going into the bye week.

But my question is, does anyone know who could possibly replace him? Do we have any fiery younger positional coaches on the defense that might have potential?

If you ever listen to guys like Donte Whitner and Richard Sherman break down plays you can see how knowledgeable they are. Of course they're not in coaching right now and I don't know how they would be as coaches, but young former players like that who are coaching should be looked into. Need a D coordinator who relates to the players more and fires them up on the sidelines like Demeco and Saleh did. I think that was actually an important part of their coaching

I like Whitner's post game analysis but it is post game. It's always easier to 2nd guess when you know the results and can go back and look at the film. The DC has to call the alignment based on what he sees the other team doing. The problem is they don't always do it. Offenses are designed to fool the defense. It becomes a game of cat and mouse. Sometimes the D guesses right and sometimes they're completely fooled.

If I have any problems with Wilks it's his failure to change things up. I don't see a lot of stunts in his defense and his blitzes aren't getting home. Maybe they aren't disguised very well. I also prefer the DC on the sideline. Spotters in the both can relay things to him but I like seeing the DC fire up the players when they come off the field. Saleh and Ryans did it that way. Pete Carroll does it. Maybe Wilks should try it. It also allows him to get direct feedback from the players during the game.

Yeah, I agree with all that. Even when we were winning though I was pissed with his soft zone coverage with corners playing way back. Stafford had no problem picking that apart. Playing off so often, gives the Dline no time to get home. Teams just get the ball out quick and work their way down the field. Also there is no creativity with the defensive line pressure, like twists and stunts that catch offensive linemen off guard. Seems to mostly just be guys rushing straight from their spot and then he thinks he'll get pressure by throwing in corner and linebacker blitzes. His whole scheme sucks and teams easily pick that apart.

if we lose and defense gets destroyed again this week, Wilks needs to go.

My question though is, does anyone know who are some potential candidates that could bring some of that fire back on the sidelines and use more of the schemes that Demeco did? The Dline needs to be doing twists and stunts every now and then.. we have the talent there and those guys should be able to get home with the correct defensive schemes we've used past few years.

Is there any position coaches that have potential on Niners staff? I know our Dline coach is good, but of course idk what he'd be like as a coordinator. Who are guys on the staff or maybe outside that might be good replacements if we have to make a move mid season to save our season?

Any names anyone knows?

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

Well... when you consider the context of those 17-point games, then it starts to get a lot less comical IMO.

Field conditions @ CLE, 2 missed kicks. Defense dominated in the run game, giving our offense less time on the field.

1 missed kick @ MIN. Defense was embarrassed in the run AND pass game, allowing MIN massive TOP and our offense less time on the field.

On top of all that, realistically, offense isn't gonna put up 28+ every week.

Context? You mean excuses. If weather affected Purdy's ability to grip the football that much, affected receivers ability to run routes that much, etc. Why did Shanahan abandon the run in a 1 score game? In fact, he did just that 2 weeks in a row.

The defense set up the offense in great field position after an INT in the MIN game and the offense came away with zero points after making it into the redzone. Must have been the defenses fault, right? Because perhaps Ward should have scored for them as well

I am not saying that the defense doesn't deserve some of the blame but they certainly do not deserve most of the blame as a lot of 49ers fans have been stating over the past few days. Everyone needs to take a look in the mirror. That includes Shanahan, Wilks and all players on offense, defense and ST's.

I'm not being combative about this, FYI. Just making an observation. One could say: What's the excuse for Wilks' play-calling and the defense getting obliterated against the run?

My point was definitely not that it was "all their fault," it's that they've had a huge part to play in all this. They know it, they've admitted it. I'm not absolving the offense of blame for their mistakes, I'm merely pointing out the fact that getting dominated in the TOP battle because the defense can't get off the field can and does absolutely affect the amount of scoring opportunities. The offense moved the ball well, and blaming them for lower scoring output due to the combination of Moody's misses, Purdy's post-concussion mistakes (getting the feeling that had a huge part in those), and the defense being out there so long and limiting our time on offense, I think does not totally put proper context into the scoring total. That's all I'm saying.

We are in full agreement that it's not been all one thing. I posted in the game thread the other day stating it was yet another game full of mistakes where if you take a single one away we still win. Offense, defense, special teams all have had mistakes.

Do you think if the offense was able to sustain drives they wouldn't have had more TOP? Both us and MIN had 9 possessions each. It wasn't like MIN was driving the length of the field every drive. We were mostly giving up FG's. The defense gave up a TD on the bad play call by Wilks. He absolutely deserves full blame for that play at the end of the half. That was a 60 yard play though. Take that away and we're under 400 yards. Now take into account that 9 missed tackles just may have had something to do with alot of those yards given up. Kirk was throwing to his first read or dumping it off the entire game. Should have been picked twice. The truth is, the players just did not tackle well and the pass rush could not get home. We are currently 5-2 with one game to go before the bye week. Kyle has been great at self scouting during the bye week. There is too much talent on this defense for it to continue to slide. Bosa and Warner are taking accountability. Lets see what happens over the next few weeks before we start talking about give up on this guy is all I'm saying.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Do you think if the offense was able to sustain drives they wouldn't have had more TOP? Both us and MIN had 9 possessions each. It wasn't like MIN was driving the length of the field every drive. We were mostly giving up FG's. The defense gave up a TD on the bad play call by Wilks. He absolutely deserves full blame for that play at the end of the half. That was a 60 yard play though. Take that away and we're under 400 yards. Now take into account that 9 missed tackles just may have had something to do with alot of those yards given up. Kirk was throwing to his first read or dumping it off the entire game. Should have been picked twice. The truth is, the players just did not tackle well and the pass rush could not get home. We are currently 5-2 with one game to go before the bye week. Kyle has been great at self scouting during the bye week. There is too much talent on this defense for it to continue to slide. Bosa and Warner are taking accountability. Lets see what happens over the next few weeks before we start talking about give up on this guy is all I'm saying.

Yac doing good work today

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

Well... when you consider the context of those 17-point games, then it starts to get a lot less comical IMO.

Field conditions @ CLE, 2 missed kicks. Defense dominated in the run game, giving our offense less time on the field.

1 missed kick @ MIN. Defense was embarrassed in the run AND pass game, allowing MIN massive TOP and our offense less time on the field.

On top of all that, realistically, offense isn't gonna put up 28+ every week.

Context? You mean excuses. If weather affected Purdy's ability to grip the football that much, affected receivers ability to run routes that much, etc. Why did Shanahan abandon the run in a 1 score game? In fact, he did just that 2 weeks in a row.

The defense set up the offense in great field position after an INT in the MIN game and the offense came away with zero points after making it into the redzone. Must have been the defenses fault, right? Because perhaps Ward should have scored for them as well

I am not saying that the defense doesn't deserve some of the blame but they certainly do not deserve most of the blame as a lot of 49ers fans have been stating over the past few days. Everyone needs to take a look in the mirror. That includes Shanahan, Wilks and all players on offense, defense and ST's.

I'm not being combative about this, FYI. Just making an observation. One could say: What's the excuse for Wilks' play-calling and the defense getting obliterated against the run?

My point was definitely not that it was "all their fault," it's that they've had a huge part to play in all this. They know it, they've admitted it. I'm not absolving the offense of blame for their mistakes, I'm merely pointing out the fact that getting dominated in the TOP battle because the defense can't get off the field can and does absolutely affect the amount of scoring opportunities. The offense moved the ball well, and blaming them for lower scoring output due to the combination of Moody's misses, Purdy's post-concussion mistakes (getting the feeling that had a huge part in those), and the defense being out there so long and limiting our time on offense, I think does not totally put proper context into the scoring total. That's all I'm saying.

We are in full agreement that it's not been all one thing. I posted in the game thread the other day stating it was yet another game full of mistakes where if you take a single one away we still win. Offense, defense, special teams all have had mistakes.

Do you think if the offense was able to sustain drives they wouldn't have had more TOP? Both us and MIN had 9 possessions each. It wasn't like MIN was driving the length of the field every drive. We were mostly giving up FG's. The defense gave up a TD on the bad play call by Wilks. He absolutely deserves full blame for that play at the end of the half. That was a 60 yard play though. Take that away and we're under 400 yards. Now take into account that 9 missed tackles just may have had something to do with alot of those yards given up. Kirk was throwing to his first read or dumping it off the entire game. Should have been picked twice. The truth is, the players just did not tackle well and the pass rush could not get home. We are currently 5-2 with one game to go before the bye week. Kyle has been great at self scouting during the bye week. There is too much talent on this defense for it to continue to slide. Bosa and Warner are taking accountability. Lets see what happens over the next few weeks before we start talking about give up on this guy is all I'm saying.

Though I would prefer Wilks down on the sideline, I think it is far too early to throw him under the bus. The issue is that in close games, a single mistake can have such a huge impact that it turns the whole batch sour. That is what happened in Minnesota.

Now, about the pass rush, or lack there of...

Originally posted by dj43:
Though I would prefer Wilks down on the sideline, I think it is far too early to throw him under the bus. The issue is that in close games, a single mistake can have such a huge impact that it turns the whole batch sour. That is what happened in Minnesota.

Now, about the pass rush, or lack there of...

Regarding the pass rush, all Wilks has to do is refer to Koceruk. "What'd you do last year?". Done. Let's get back to that.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
Though I would prefer Wilks down on the sideline, I think it is far too early to throw him under the bus. The issue is that in close games, a single mistake can have such a huge impact that it turns the whole batch sour. That is what happened in Minnesota.

Now, about the pass rush, or lack there of...

Regarding the pass rush, all Wilks has to do is refer to Koceruk. "What'd you do last year?". Done. Let's get back to that.

Yep...that's it.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
Though I would prefer Wilks down on the sideline, I think it is far too early to throw him under the bus. The issue is that in close games, a single mistake can have such a huge impact that it turns the whole batch sour. That is what happened in Minnesota.

Now, about the pass rush, or lack there of...

Regarding the pass rush, all Wilks has to do is refer to Koceruk. "What'd you do last year?". Done. Let's get back to that.

Yep...that's it.

Yes we can't full throw him under the bus like Brandon Staley situation, but there's no doubt that Wilks needs to make adjustments and continue making adjustments. It's sickening looking at all the talent Wilks has to work with.

Looks like they are trusting in and standing by their man, I don't trust we make the SB with Wilks, at all. But it doesn't really look like we are going in that direction at this point anyway.

"I'm learning that."..yeah..that makes me feel better...

Originally posted by Montana:
Looks like they are trusting in and standing by their man, I don't trust we make the SB with Wilks, at all. But it doesn't really look like we are going in that direction at this point anyway.

"I'm learning that."..yeah..that makes me feel better...

It's week 8. There's still time to adjust.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

Well... when you consider the context of those 17-point games, then it starts to get a lot less comical IMO.

Field conditions @ CLE, 2 missed kicks. Defense dominated in the run game, giving our offense less time on the field.

1 missed kick @ MIN. Defense was embarrassed in the run AND pass game, allowing MIN massive TOP and our offense less time on the field.

On top of all that, realistically, offense isn't gonna put up 28+ every week.

Context? You mean excuses. If weather affected Purdy's ability to grip the football that much, affected receivers ability to run routes that much, etc. Why did Shanahan abandon the run in a 1 score game? In fact, he did just that 2 weeks in a row.

The defense set up the offense in great field position after an INT in the MIN game and the offense came away with zero points after making it into the redzone. Must have been the defenses fault, right? Because perhaps Ward should have scored for them as well

I am not saying that the defense doesn't deserve some of the blame but they certainly do not deserve most of the blame as a lot of 49ers fans have been stating over the past few days. Everyone needs to take a look in the mirror. That includes Shanahan, Wilks and all players on offense, defense and ST's.

I'm not being combative about this, FYI. Just making an observation. One could say: What's the excuse for Wilks' play-calling and the defense getting obliterated against the run?

My point was definitely not that it was "all their fault," it's that they've had a huge part to play in all this. They know it, they've admitted it. I'm not absolving the offense of blame for their mistakes, I'm merely pointing out the fact that getting dominated in the TOP battle because the defense can't get off the field can and does absolutely affect the amount of scoring opportunities. The offense moved the ball well, and blaming them for lower scoring output due to the combination of Moody's misses, Purdy's post-concussion mistakes (getting the feeling that had a huge part in those), and the defense being out there so long and limiting our time on offense, I think does not totally put proper context into the scoring total. That's all I'm saying.

We are in full agreement that it's not been all one thing. I posted in the game thread the other day stating it was yet another game full of mistakes where if you take a single one away we still win. Offense, defense, special teams all have had mistakes.

Do you think if the offense was able to sustain drives they wouldn't have had more TOP? Both us and MIN had 9 possessions each. It wasn't like MIN was driving the length of the field every drive. We were mostly giving up FG's. The defense gave up a TD on the bad play call by Wilks. He absolutely deserves full blame for that play at the end of the half. That was a 60 yard play though. Take that away and we're under 400 yards. Now take into account that 9 missed tackles just may have had something to do with alot of those yards given up. Kirk was throwing to his first read or dumping it off the entire game. Should have been picked twice. The truth is, the players just did not tackle well and the pass rush could not get home. We are currently 5-2 with one game to go before the bye week. Kyle has been great at self scouting during the bye week. There is too much talent on this defense for it to continue to slide. Bosa and Warner are taking accountability. Lets see what happens over the next few weeks before we start talking about give up on this guy is all I'm saying.

Though I would prefer Wilks down on the sideline, I think it is far too early to throw him under the bus. The issue is that in close games, a single mistake can have such a huge impact that it turns the whole batch sour. That is what happened in Minnesota.

Now, about the pass rush, or lack there of...

40% pressure rate and 3.0 seconds TTT before being pressured for opposing QB's tells me the pass rush is bringing the heat. Its just so hard to bring the QB down when his first read is almost always open.

To me it's much beyond that stupid zero blitz. I forgive it. Everyone makes mistakes. That was a big one. But it's 1 play in 1 game. How are we not getting to the QB? We don't get pressures or sacks. Our secondary is also getting torched. They only thing playing well is the LB's. But you expect that with Warner and Greenlaw. You almost can't mess that up. Simply too good. But there is way too much talent on this team all over to be struggling so badly at the pass. Teams even run it on us now. Which is unacceptable with this group.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
Though I would prefer Wilks down on the sideline, I think it is far too early to throw him under the bus. The issue is that in close games, a single mistake can have such a huge impact that it turns the whole batch sour. That is what happened in Minnesota.

Now, about the pass rush, or lack there of...

Regarding the pass rush, all Wilks has to do is refer to Koceruk. "What'd you do last year?". Done. Let's get back to that.

the problem with that is other than Bosa our pass rush sucked last year. We really need Armstead and Hargrave to step it up!

Gregory has looked promising so far.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
he owned it

"I take full responsibility for that call," Wilks said. "I have to do a better job and put the guys in a better position. We have good players. I know that, and can't really press the issue. And with that, moving forward, it's my responsibility to do that. So I wish I could take it back, but again, I got to do better."

and Ward also had his coaches back

"I feel like I played it good," Ward said via NBC Sports Bay Area. "I was in perfect position to make the play. Once coach calls the play, we got to go out and execute it. It doesn't matter whether he calls cover-1, cover-2, cover-3, cover-zero. If I'd picked that ball off, it would be a completely different story."

As far as the rest of the 49ers' defensive woes in recent weeks, Wilks praised the supporting cast around him, adding, "We're all in this together. I'm not hitting the panic button at all."

I really like that Kyle called this out honestly and Wilks owned up to it. I'm sure there were some stiff convos this week about getting this s**t figured out.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

Well... when you consider the context of those 17-point games, then it starts to get a lot less comical IMO.

Field conditions @ CLE, 2 missed kicks. Defense dominated in the run game, giving our offense less time on the field.

1 missed kick @ MIN. Defense was embarrassed in the run AND pass game, allowing MIN massive TOP and our offense less time on the field.

On top of all that, realistically, offense isn't gonna put up 28+ every week.

Context? You mean excuses. If weather affected Purdy's ability to grip the football that much, affected receivers ability to run routes that much, etc. Why did Shanahan abandon the run in a 1 score game? In fact, he did just that 2 weeks in a row.

The defense set up the offense in great field position after an INT in the MIN game and the offense came away with zero points after making it into the redzone. Must have been the defenses fault, right? Because perhaps Ward should have scored for them as well

I am not saying that the defense doesn't deserve some of the blame but they certainly do not deserve most of the blame as a lot of 49ers fans have been stating over the past few days. Everyone needs to take a look in the mirror. That includes Shanahan, Wilks and all players on offense, defense and ST's.

I'm not being combative about this, FYI. Just making an observation. One could say: What's the excuse for Wilks' play-calling and the defense getting obliterated against the run?

My point was definitely not that it was "all their fault," it's that they've had a huge part to play in all this. They know it, they've admitted it. I'm not absolving the offense of blame for their mistakes, I'm merely pointing out the fact that getting dominated in the TOP battle because the defense can't get off the field can and does absolutely affect the amount of scoring opportunities. The offense moved the ball well, and blaming them for lower scoring output due to the combination of Moody's misses, Purdy's post-concussion mistakes (getting the feeling that had a huge part in those), and the defense being out there so long and limiting our time on offense, I think does not totally put proper context into the scoring total. That's all I'm saying.

We are in full agreement that it's not been all one thing. I posted in the game thread the other day stating it was yet another game full of mistakes where if you take a single one away we still win. Offense, defense, special teams all have had mistakes.

Do you think if the offense was able to sustain drives they wouldn't have had more TOP? Both us and MIN had 9 possessions each. It wasn't like MIN was driving the length of the field every drive. We were mostly giving up FG's. The defense gave up a TD on the bad play call by Wilks. He absolutely deserves full blame for that play at the end of the half. That was a 60 yard play though. Take that away and we're under 400 yards. Now take into account that 9 missed tackles just may have had something to do with alot of those yards given up. Kirk was throwing to his first read or dumping it off the entire game. Should have been picked twice. The truth is, the players just did not tackle well and the pass rush could not get home. We are currently 5-2 with one game to go before the bye week. Kyle has been great at self scouting during the bye week. There is too much talent on this defense for it to continue to slide. Bosa and Warner are taking accountability. Lets see what happens over the next few weeks before we start talking about give up on this guy is all I'm saying.

Yeah I'm not giving up on Wilks, he has some time to adjust.

I think just too much is being made of the 17 point output the past two games. People are trying to say this means we can't sustain drives which is false.

The issue has been bad turnovers in scoring position and missed field goals the past two weeks. I don't put much stock into Purdy's final two drives that ended in scoring position now knowing he was concussed at the time, but McCaffrey MUST fix the fumbles. That was incredibly deflating.

Take those away and we're putting up at least 26+ the past two games. I'm not worried about the offense being able to move the ball, but I am worried about the mental mistakes.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

Well... when you consider the context of those 17-point games, then it starts to get a lot less comical IMO.

Field conditions @ CLE, 2 missed kicks. Defense dominated in the run game, giving our offense less time on the field.

1 missed kick @ MIN. Defense was embarrassed in the run AND pass game, allowing MIN massive TOP and our offense less time on the field.

On top of all that, realistically, offense isn't gonna put up 28+ every week.

Context? You mean excuses. If weather affected Purdy's ability to grip the football that much, affected receivers ability to run routes that much, etc. Why did Shanahan abandon the run in a 1 score game? In fact, he did just that 2 weeks in a row.

The defense set up the offense in great field position after an INT in the MIN game and the offense came away with zero points after making it into the redzone. Must have been the defenses fault, right? Because perhaps Ward should have scored for them as well

I am not saying that the defense doesn't deserve some of the blame but they certainly do not deserve most of the blame as a lot of 49ers fans have been stating over the past few days. Everyone needs to take a look in the mirror. That includes Shanahan, Wilks and all players on offense, defense and ST's.

I'm not being combative about this, FYI. Just making an observation. One could say: What's the excuse for Wilks' play-calling and the defense getting obliterated against the run?

My point was definitely not that it was "all their fault," it's that they've had a huge part to play in all this. They know it, they've admitted it. I'm not absolving the offense of blame for their mistakes, I'm merely pointing out the fact that getting dominated in the TOP battle because the defense can't get off the field can and does absolutely affect the amount of scoring opportunities. The offense moved the ball well, and blaming them for lower scoring output due to the combination of Moody's misses, Purdy's post-concussion mistakes (getting the feeling that had a huge part in those), and the defense being out there so long and limiting our time on offense, I think does not totally put proper context into the scoring total. That's all I'm saying.

We are in full agreement that it's not been all one thing. I posted in the game thread the other day stating it was yet another game full of mistakes where if you take a single one away we still win. Offense, defense, special teams all have had mistakes.

Do you think if the offense was able to sustain drives they wouldn't have had more TOP? Both us and MIN had 9 possessions each. It wasn't like MIN was driving the length of the field every drive. We were mostly giving up FG's. The defense gave up a TD on the bad play call by Wilks. He absolutely deserves full blame for that play at the end of the half. That was a 60 yard play though. Take that away and we're under 400 yards. Now take into account that 9 missed tackles just may have had something to do with alot of those yards given up. Kirk was throwing to his first read or dumping it off the entire game. Should have been picked twice. The truth is, the players just did not tackle well and the pass rush could not get home. We are currently 5-2 with one game to go before the bye week. Kyle has been great at self scouting during the bye week. There is too much talent on this defense for it to continue to slide. Bosa and Warner are taking accountability. Lets see what happens over the next few weeks before we start talking about give up on this guy is all I'm saying.

Yeah I'm not giving up on Wilks, he has some time to adjust.

I think just too much is being made of the 17 point output the past two games. People are trying to say this means we can't sustain drives which is false.

The issue has been bad turnovers in scoring position and missed field goals the past two weeks. I don't put much stock into Purdy's final two drives that ended in scoring position now knowing he was concussed at the time, but McCaffrey MUST fix the fumbles. That was incredibly deflating.

Take those away and we're putting up at least 26+ the past two games. I'm not worried about the offense being able to move the ball, but I am worried about the mental mistakes.

I feel the same about the defense.