Coach - Steve Wilks thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Blaming those losses all on Wilks when the offense has averaged 17 ppg over those 2 losses is comical at best.

Well... when you consider the context of those 17-point games, then it starts to get a lot less comical IMO.

Field conditions @ CLE, 2 missed kicks. Defense dominated in the run game, giving our offense less time on the field.

1 missed kick @ MIN. Defense was embarrassed in the run AND pass game, allowing MIN massive TOP and our offense less time on the field.

On top of all that, realistically, offense isn't gonna put up 28+ every week.

Context? You mean excuses. If weather affected Purdy's ability to grip the football that much, affected receivers ability to run routes that much, etc. Why did Shanahan abandon the run in a 1 score game? In fact, he did just that 2 weeks in a row.

The defense set up the offense in great field position after an INT in the MIN game and the offense came away with zero points after making it into the redzone. Must have been the defenses fault, right? Because perhaps Ward should have scored for them as well

I am not saying that the defense doesn't deserve some of the blame but they certainly do not deserve most of the blame as a lot of 49ers fans have been stating over the past few days. Everyone needs to take a look in the mirror. That includes Shanahan, Wilks and all players on offense, defense and ST's.

I'm not being combative about this, FYI. Just making an observation. One could say: What's the excuse for Wilks' play-calling and the defense getting obliterated against the run?

My point was definitely not that it was "all their fault," it's that they've had a huge part to play in all this. They know it, they've admitted it. I'm not absolving the offense of blame for their mistakes, I'm merely pointing out the fact that getting dominated in the TOP battle because the defense can't get off the field can and does absolutely affect the amount of scoring opportunities. The offense moved the ball well, and blaming them for lower scoring output due to the combination of Moody's misses, Purdy's post-concussion mistakes (getting the feeling that had a huge part in those), and the defense being out there so long and limiting our time on offense, I think does not totally put proper context into the scoring total. That's all I'm saying.

We are in full agreement that it's not been all one thing. I posted in the game thread the other day stating it was yet another game full of mistakes where if you take a single one away we still win. Offense, defense, special teams all have had mistakes.

Do you think if the offense was able to sustain drives they wouldn't have had more TOP? Both us and MIN had 9 possessions each. It wasn't like MIN was driving the length of the field every drive. We were mostly giving up FG's. The defense gave up a TD on the bad play call by Wilks. He absolutely deserves full blame for that play at the end of the half. That was a 60 yard play though. Take that away and we're under 400 yards. Now take into account that 9 missed tackles just may have had something to do with alot of those yards given up. Kirk was throwing to his first read or dumping it off the entire game. Should have been picked twice. The truth is, the players just did not tackle well and the pass rush could not get home. We are currently 5-2 with one game to go before the bye week. Kyle has been great at self scouting during the bye week. There is too much talent on this defense for it to continue to slide. Bosa and Warner are taking accountability. Lets see what happens over the next few weeks before we start talking about give up on this guy is all I'm saying.

Though I would prefer Wilks down on the sideline, I think it is far too early to throw him under the bus. The issue is that in close games, a single mistake can have such a huge impact that it turns the whole batch sour. That is what happened in Minnesota.

Now, about the pass rush, or lack there of...

40% pressure rate and 3.0 seconds TTT before being pressured for opposing QB's tells me the pass rush is bringing the heat. Its just so hard to bring the QB down when his first read is almost always open.

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Of course it's hard. That's why the Niners brought in Hargrave to help with the pressure up the middle. There are 17 teams with more sacks than the Niners and 3 tied with them at 15. The Ravens with 29 and the Bills with 28 are nearly double what the Niners have. That's unacceptable with the line they have. Bosa alone should have 8 or 9 instead of 2.5. Drake with 3 is barely playing now with the addition of Gregory.

Yes but sacks aren't all created equal. 3.0 seconds TTT is #1 in the league when it comes to how fast a pass rush puts pressure on the QB. The 49ers pass rush is #1 in that category, top 5 in pressure rate and yet only 15 sacks. That says more about the coverage than it does about the pass rush.

That's true to some extent but good QBs find a way to complete passes under pressure. It's actually a stat that indicates how good the QB is since most QBs can hit the target if they aren't pressured. The Niners are mid pack in passing yards allowed and completion percentage. They have a league high in INTs which may be a result from that pressure but I still want to see more sacks. Those sacks put the teams behind on down and distance and they often result in the team having to punt. That's a big deal for a team that's had trouble getting off the field on 3rd down.They'e allowed way too many big completions on 3rd down.

If they can convert some of thise pressures into sacks I'll be happy. Until then I consider them a job half done.

Yes. I would to. I would love to actually see some coverage sacks.

Originally posted by BP13:
for me it's not the PPG that's concerning, it's not getting stops on 3rd down, allowing over 350 plus passing yards or over 150 rushing yards (cle) per game, and of course, the pass rush not getting home; these are all indicative of a defensive that can be schemed against. Its early enough for Wilkes to turn it around, and with a 5-2 record, even 5-3, the defense can correct this and go on a run. I don't think anyone should be talking about the 1 seed though, that must be earned. just get to the playoffs

Points have a greater impact on winning and losing than yards do.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by BP13:
for me it's not the PPG that's concerning, it's not getting stops on 3rd down, allowing over 350 plus passing yards or over 150 rushing yards (cle) per game, and of course, the pass rush not getting home; these are all indicative of a defensive that can be schemed against. Its early enough for Wilkes to turn it around, and with a 5-2 record, even 5-3, the defense can correct this and go on a run. I don't think anyone should be talking about the 1 seed though, that must be earned. just get to the playoffs

Points have a greater impact on winning and losing than yards do.

YES !! I don't care how much 3rd down we give up, or total yards.. as long as we STOP them enough where the final score is US over them.... I'M ALL GOOD W/IT !!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Well, you could compare the talent from last year to this year and it seems to have improved. I'm really hoping this is just a case of Wilks still feeling the players out and not a problem that can't easily be corrected. Having 2nd string QBs have success against what should be the best D in the league is unacceptable.

Wilks can dial up stuff, but at the end of the day, players have to go play the game and execute, win their individual matchups

He dialed up that play that let the Vikings score at the end of the half.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Well, you could compare the talent from last year to this year and it seems to have improved. I'm really hoping this is just a case of Wilks still feeling the players out and not a problem that can't easily be corrected. Having 2nd string QBs have success against what should be the best D in the league is unacceptable.

Wilks can dial up stuff, but at the end of the day, players have to go play the game and execute, win their individual matchups

He dialed up that play that let the Vikings score at the end of the half.

And if Ward executed his coverage correctly, Wilks call would've lead to a int. It's not Wilks or the players. It's both.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Well, you could compare the talent from last year to this year and it seems to have improved. I'm really hoping this is just a case of Wilks still feeling the players out and not a problem that can't easily be corrected. Having 2nd string QBs have success against what should be the best D in the league is unacceptable.

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Wilks can dial up stuff, but at the end of the day, players have to go play the game and execute, win their individual matchups

He dialed up that play that let the Vikings score at the end of the half.

And if Ward executed his coverage correctly, Wilks call would've lead to a int. It's not Wilks or the players. It's both.

You have to look at the risk vs reward. What would the INT have gained in that situation? Imo, it would have gained nothing that a soft coverage and tackle would have in that same situation. The risk far outweighed the reward.

* No pressures.
* No sacks.
* Can't get off the field or stop a drive.
* Can't cover in the secondary.
* Dumbest play calls in history given the situation.
* Working with among the most talent in the league with the least results.

He seems great.

To me, Wilks has been mediocre so far. The talent is still there, and it has shown, but the scheme he's employing is changing things up too much. He needs to stick with what has made this defense good, not change it up as much as he has done. There are no excuses to what happened on Monday.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Well, you could compare the talent from last year to this year and it seems to have improved. I'm really hoping this is just a case of Wilks still feeling the players out and not a problem that can't easily be corrected. Having 2nd string QBs have success against what should be the best D in the league is unacceptable.

Wilks can dial up stuff, but at the end of the day, players have to go play the game and execute, win their individual matchups

He dialed up that play that let the Vikings score at the end of the half.

This is a coaching problem not players. There are all pros all over this defense which were put out of place to make plays and as mentioned a full blitz at the end of the half says it all. The one place it's good to have a prevent D scheme.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
* No pressures.
* No sacks.
* Can't get off the field or stop a drive.
* Can't cover in the secondary.
* Dumbest play calls in history given the situation.
* Working with among the most talent in the league with the least results.

He seems great.

Honestly, I think he will be looking for another job somewhere else before long. He doesn't have it

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Well, you could compare the talent from last year to this year and it seems to have improved. I'm really hoping this is just a case of Wilks still feeling the players out and not a problem that can't easily be corrected. Having 2nd string QBs have success against what should be the best D in the league is unacceptable.

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Wilks can dial up stuff, but at the end of the day, players have to go play the game and execute, win their individual matchups

He dialed up that play that let the Vikings score at the end of the half.

This is a coaching problem not players. There are all pros all over this defense which were put out of place to make plays and as mentioned a full blitz at the end of the half says it all. The one place it's good to have a prevent D scheme.

I think you may be right. This is essentially the same D they had last year with the addition of Ferrel and now Gregory plus Hargrave. Drake has a year under is belt. Everything says they should be better. They aren't. Why?

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
* No pressures.
* No sacks.
* Can't get off the field or stop a drive.
* Can't cover in the secondary.
* Dumbest play calls in history given the situation.
* Working with among the most talent in the league with the least results.

He seems great.

Honestly, I think he will be looking for another job somewhere else before long. He doesn't have it

I don't think he does either. There is enough talent there. If you just left everything alone and kept it like last year you would obviously be better off. Instead of changing a Ferrari into a Yugo.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
* No pressures.
* No sacks.
* Can't get off the field or stop a drive.
* Can't cover in the secondary.
* Dumbest play calls in history given the situation.
* Working with among the most talent in the league with the least results.

He seems great.

It is very fact straight. I wanted fired him right now. Wish me! He is too old and no brain with defensive coordinator!

I almost feel bad for Wilks cause of all the heat he has gotten. He is in over his head and that is kinda on K/L for making the hire. Kyle seems like a sharp guy.. which makes me scratch my head over really dumb choices made sometimes. It's like K/L overthink or don't think things through enough. And seem like they let nerves get to them or idk what. Some of these decisions, feel like..just so common sense dumb. Harsh maybe but it is the NFL. Not much room for screw ups. Not that ppl are going to be perfect but meh, some of the choices.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Well, you could compare the talent from last year to this year and it seems to have improved. I'm really hoping this is just a case of Wilks still feeling the players out and not a problem that can't easily be corrected. Having 2nd string QBs have success against what should be the best D in the league is unacceptable.

Wilks can dial up stuff, but at the end of the day, players have to go play the game and execute, win their individual matchups

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He dialed up that play that let the Vikings score at the end of the half.

And if Ward executed his coverage correctly, Wilks call would've lead to a int. It's not Wilks or the players. It's both.

You have to look at the risk vs reward. What would the INT have gained in that situation? Imo, it would have gained nothing that a soft coverage and tackle would have in that same situation. The risk far outweighed the reward.

Yup. It's the risk vs reward. Just go into halftime. Don't overthink it. I had a problem with them lining up as if to blitz pre snap. When they actually blitzed I thought it was dumb. When it resulted in a touchdown I was pissed.