Coach - Steve Wilks thread

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
I said it a couple pages back, but I think it really comes down to how the players feel. They're vets, they know how great they can be and they know how much of the defense's failures are on them and how much is on Wilks. If they get together and have a players only meeting about this and bring their concerns to Kyle, changes will be made. If it had more to do with them acclimating to a new defense and going through growing pains, we'll have to endure.

These were my thoughts as well, I am guessing players have already addressed Kyle idk..but I could see Chase and Bosa calling a meeting lol. Chase doesn't seem like the type that f**ks around with s**t. Though new to the team..his voice could have an effect..if Wilks keeps Wilking.

imo, a lot of the failures are due because the defense is so tired because wilks calls aren't getting them off the field, therefore they start gassing out and missing tackles and sacks. This is something they're not used to and probably something they can't do anything about, unfortunately.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's not getting fired mid season.

He's not, but he probably should.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
I said it a couple pages back, but I think it really comes down to how the players feel. They're vets, they know how great they can be and they know how much of the defense's failures are on them and how much is on Wilks. If they get together and have a players only meeting about this and bring their concerns to Kyle, changes will be made. If it had more to do with them acclimating to a new defense and going through growing pains, we'll have to endure.

These were my thoughts as well, I am guessing players have already addressed Kyle idk..but I could see Chase and Bosa calling a meeting lol. Chase doesn't seem like the type that f**ks around with s**t. Though new to the team..his voice could have an effect..if Wilks keeps Wilking.

imo, a lot of the failures are due because the defense is so tired because wilks calls aren't getting them off the field, therefore they start gassing out and missing tackles and sacks. This is something they're not used to and probably something they can't do anything about, unfortunately.

I am sure that is some of it...but look at the angles to the ball on alot of the failed defensive snaps...plain as day the defense is being manipulated out of position.

Tired or fresh, the defense is simply not sound. I think the missed tackles are a by product of over compensation to make the defensive call work.

This is an ugly system. Yes the change in coverage has produced some interceptions, but it is giving up yardage in bunches.

Live long enough and you will learn somethings, we all learned how much a d-coordinator matters. If some one asked me 2 years ago how much the system matters, I would have very confidently proclaimed tons of "great" DCs rode on the production of a star player. IE Lawrence Taylor is the system. What makes a DC great is the dudes who can find talent and plug them in.

I now painfully know how wrong I was, you can in fact take a bunch of studs and make them look an expansion team defense.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's not getting fired mid season.

He's not, but he probably should.

why cuz he goofed one call end of half? I saw KS dial up a run up the gut with the FB, into Aaron Donald and A Robinson, on 3rd and a long yard, get stuffed, he then took a penalty on himself, and punted in plus territory, in the 4th qtr of the NFC Champ game

a robot on twitter in real time told us he was lowering our win odds considerably, with his decision making
to get to the SB

He's a great one, any coach who is honest will say they effed up a call, it happens
these guys aren't perfect, no one is

our D is currently ranked 4th in ppg, and ppl do the chicken little routine, we see it every season, the sky is falling
no, it isn't

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
why cuz he goofed one call end of half? I saw KS dial up a run up the gut with the FB, into Aaron Donald and A Robinson, on 3rd and a long yard, get stuffed, he then took a penalty on himself, and punted in plus territory, in the 4th qtr of the NFC Champ game

a robot on twitter in real time told us he was lowering our win odds considerably, with his decision making
to get to the SB

He's a great one, any coach who is honest will say they effed up a call, it happens
these guys aren't perfect, no one is

our D is currently ranked 4th in ppg, and ppl do the chicken little routine, we see it every season, the sky is falling
no, it isn't

Fire Kyle, Hire Wilks and Bring Back Jimmy!!!!

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
why cuz he goofed one call end of half? I saw KS dial up a run up the gut with the FB, into Aaron Donald and A Robinson, on 3rd and a long yard, get stuffed, he then took a penalty on himself, and punted in plus territory, in the 4th qtr of the NFC Champ game

a robot on twitter in real time told us he was lowering our win odds considerably, with his decision making
to get to the SB

He's a great one, any coach who is honest will say they effed up a call, it happens
these guys aren't perfect, no one is

our D is currently ranked 4th in ppg, and ppl do the chicken little routine, we see it every season, the sky is falling
no, it isn't

Fire Kyle, Hire Wilks and Bring Back Jimmy!!!!

strawman lol, the arguments are easy, when you make em up
ain't no one saying that

Keep Kyle
Keep Wilks
and eff Jimmy

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's not getting fired mid season.

He's not, but he probably should.

why cuz he goofed one call end of half? I saw KS dial up a run up the gut with the FB, into Aaron Donald and A Robinson, on 3rd and a long yard, get stuffed, he then took a penalty on himself, and punted in plus territory, in the 4th qtr of the NFC Champ game

a robot on twitter in real time told us he was lowering our win odds considerably, with his decision making
to get to the SB

He's a great one, any coach who is honest will say they effed up a call, it happens
these guys aren't perfect, no one is

our D is currently ranked 4th in ppg, and ppl do the chicken little routine, we see it every season, the sky is falling
no, it isn't

No. Because I've watched every game, and its clear the players are clearly not buying into his coaching, yet.

Also, I know how to differentiate talent from coaching, something you clearly struggle with.

Kyle, for all the blame you constantly give him, has moments of greatness to combat his FB dive call in the NFC championship.

It's not even remotely the same.

It's true the sky is not falling, but i'm not convinced we wouldn't be better without Wilks.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's not getting fired mid season.

He's not, but he probably should.

why cuz he goofed one call end of half? I saw KS dial up a run up the gut with the FB, into Aaron Donald and A Robinson, on 3rd and a long yard, get stuffed, he then took a penalty on himself, and punted in plus territory, in the 4th qtr of the NFC Champ game

a robot on twitter in real time told us he was lowering our win odds considerably, with his decision making
to get to the SB

He's a great one, any coach who is honest will say they effed up a call, it happens
these guys aren't perfect, no one is

our D is currently ranked 4th in ppg, and ppl do the chicken little routine, we see it every season, the sky is falling
no, it isn't

No. Because I've watched every game, and its clear the players are clearly not buying into his coaching, yet.

Also, I know how to differentiate talent from coaching, something you clearly struggle with.

Kyle, for all the blame you constantly give him, has moments of greatness to combat his FB dive call in the NFC championship.

It's not even remotely the same.

It's true the sky is not falling, but i'm not convinced we wouldn't be better without Wilks.

I don't give KS blame, and if I do, it's easier to focus on the 1% he isn't getting right, as opposed to the 99% he is. Pro KS here, from the Mike Shanahan days, I was into all those guys, Lynch, Griese, cuz of Mike being in SF and some were former 49ers, like Papa McCaffrey.

So let's see if I understand, Wilks in your words, 'probably should' get canned,
in half a season, and we are 4th in ppg allowed in the league. Is that your honest take?

hopefully this bye week, kyle has prepped one of the position D coaches to be ready to take over if we have any s**t performance by Wilks against the Jags.
So much talent esp now with Chase Young that if he continues to allow teams to walk down the field for long drives resulting in losses then he has to be fired.
If he continues to be a coach after f**king up and we lose then I'm shifting my blame to Kyle because as HC you need to make the big boy calls on firing an inadequate coordinator.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
I said it a couple pages back, but I think it really comes down to how the players feel. They're vets, they know how great they can be and they know how much of the defense's failures are on them and how much is on Wilks. If they get together and have a players only meeting about this and bring their concerns to Kyle, changes will be made. If it had more to do with them acclimating to a new defense and going through growing pains, we'll have to endure.

These were my thoughts as well, I am guessing players have already addressed Kyle idk..but I could see Chase and Bosa calling a meeting lol. Chase doesn't seem like the type that f**ks around with s**t. Though new to the team..his voice could have an effect..if Wilks keeps Wilking.

imo, a lot of the failures are due because the defense is so tired because wilks calls aren't getting them off the field, therefore they start gassing out and missing tackles and sacks. This is something they're not used to and probably something they can't do anything about, unfortunately.

But they've been getting shredded in the first half especially, and buckled down a bit in the second half. That's on the coaching and adjustments. Stafford, Burrow and Cousins eviscerated them in the first halves of their games. Even Dobbs led that 99 yard drive in the first half. The problems are almost all on the coaching and play calls.

Originally posted by Disp:
But they've been getting shredded in the first half especially, and buckled down a bit in the second half. That's on the coaching and adjustments. Stafford, Burrow and Cousins eviscerated them in the first halves of their games. Even Dobbs led that 99 yard drive in the first half. The problems are almost all on the coaching and play calls.

what's interesting is the energy in here, vs reality, if this thread ran NFL clubs, every team would fire their DC, with every loss

for example, you mention Dobbs, ATL hosted Dobbs and lost, they gave up 31
Dobbs was in MIN for like 5 days. With no JJ. So that DC needs to go. The DC who gave up 70 needs to go. The DC in Indy when PJ Walker went for near 40, he needs to go. Dan Quinn in DAL when we put up a 40 spot, he needs to go..

And so forth..

The problem isn't 'all on coaching', it's missed tackles, guys not making plays on a platter to be made, that's an issue also

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Disp:
But they've been getting shredded in the first half especially, and buckled down a bit in the second half. That's on the coaching and adjustments. Stafford, Burrow and Cousins eviscerated them in the first halves of their games. Even Dobbs led that 99 yard drive in the first half. The problems are almost all on the coaching and play calls.

what's interesting is the energy in here, vs reality, if this thread ran NFL clubs, every team would fire their DC, with every loss

for example, you mention Dobbs, ATL hosted Dobbs and lost, they gave up 31
Dobbs was in MIN for like 5 days. With no JJ. So that DC needs to go. The DC who gave up 70 needs to go. The DC in Indy when PJ Walker went for near 40, he needs to go. Dan Quinn in DAL when we put up a 40 spot, he needs to go..

And so forth..

The problem isn't 'all on coaching', it's missed tackles, guys not making plays on a platter to be made, that's an issue also

sooo then who's responsible for fixing missed tackles? asking for a friend

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Disp:
But they've been getting shredded in the first half especially, and buckled down a bit in the second half. That's on the coaching and adjustments. Stafford, Burrow and Cousins eviscerated them in the first halves of their games. Even Dobbs led that 99 yard drive in the first half. The problems are almost all on the coaching and play calls.

what's interesting is the energy in here, vs reality, if this thread ran NFL clubs, every team would fire their DC, with every loss

for example, you mention Dobbs, ATL hosted Dobbs and lost, they gave up 31
Dobbs was in MIN for like 5 days. With no JJ. So that DC needs to go. The DC who gave up 70 needs to go. The DC in Indy when PJ Walker went for near 40, he needs to go. Dan Quinn in DAL when we put up a 40 spot, he needs to go..

And so forth..

The problem isn't 'all on coaching', it's missed tackles, guys not making plays on a platter to be made, that's an issue also

I'm sorry, but guys missing tackles and racking up penalties is a coaching issue. And Atlanta/Denver don't have pro bowl/all pro players littered throughout the defense. Our unit has been top 3 in the league pretty much every year since 2019 (with the only drop in 2020 when half the team was on IR), so when we get absolutely lit up for an entire game by every average or better qb we face it's cause for concern.

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Disp:
But they've been getting shredded in the first half especially, and buckled down a bit in the second half. That's on the coaching and adjustments. Stafford, Burrow and Cousins eviscerated them in the first halves of their games. Even Dobbs led that 99 yard drive in the first half. The problems are almost all on the coaching and play calls.

what's interesting is the energy in here, vs reality, if this thread ran NFL clubs, every team would fire their DC, with every loss

for example, you mention Dobbs, ATL hosted Dobbs and lost, they gave up 31
Dobbs was in MIN for like 5 days. With no JJ. So that DC needs to go. The DC who gave up 70 needs to go. The DC in Indy when PJ Walker went for near 40, he needs to go. Dan Quinn in DAL when we put up a 40 spot, he needs to go..

And so forth..

The problem isn't 'all on coaching', it's missed tackles, guys not making plays on a platter to be made, that's an issue also

I'm sorry, but guys missing tackles and racking up penalties is a coaching issue. And Atlanta/Denver don't have pro bowl/all pro players littered throughout the defense. Our unit has been top 3 in the league pretty much every year since 2019 (with the only drop in 2020 when half the team was on IR).

eh, I mean go back to Burrow and he escapes two clear sacks. That's just guys not executing imo. KS said the same. It was schemed well. KS was talking about Burrow taking hitches, cuz it was covered up, and guys got home, got to bring him to the ground, this isn't that hard. Not everything is Wilks, if a guy is in a spot to make a play, that play has to be made. I don't blame any coordinator for Tartt having it bounce off the pads. Players gotta play, the game on D is won more by players than scheme imo. Watch with all our talent, we will start playing well, and ppl will say they are doing it, in spite of Wilks, you have created a scapegoat.. not you personally, but fans have

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

our D is currently ranked 4th in ppg, and ppl do the chicken little routine, we see it every season, the sky is falling
no, it isn't

your "better then last year" talking point lasted a week, I hope you prepare a new one cause your "we are number 4" might not survive either unless stuff takes a drastic 180.