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Originally posted by captveg:
A large part of "the problem" is that opposing offenses are scheming to get the ball out as soon as possible. They know the DL is great, so they simply give up on any longer developing plays that lead to sacks. Niners defense is winning the battle before the games even start because teams are refusing to have pass plays that keeps the ball in the QB's hands for more than 2 seconds. A team forcing itself to dink and dunk isn't as sexy, but it certainly eats a ton of the clock and makes it harder for them to score as much as they need to if our offense continues to run as well as it has been.


When offense's gameplan to get the ball out faster, and when the 49ers are playing zone, the offense really limits themselves on what they are able to call. We don't see those longer developing crossers and hard playaction passes. It's all quick throws to the flat or curls over the middle that doesn't allow for much threat of YAC. 49ers aren't giving up many explosives and this is one reason why.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by captveg:
A large part of "the problem" is that opposing offenses are scheming to get the ball out as soon as possible. They know the DL is great, so they simply give up on any longer developing plays that lead to sacks. Niners defense is winning the battle before the games even start because teams are refusing to have pass plays that keeps the ball in the QB's hands for more than 2 seconds. A team forcing itself to dink and dunk isn't as sexy, but it certainly eats a ton of the clock and makes it harder for them to score as much as they need to if our offense continues to run as well as it has been.


When offense's gameplan to get the ball out faster, and when the 49ers are playing zone, the offense really limits themselves on what they are able to call. We don't see those longer developing crossers and hard playaction passes. It's all quick throws to the flat or curls over the middle that doesn't allow for much threat of YAC. 49ers aren't giving up many explosives and this is one reason why.

That was true until last week. hey gave up some longer plays because of missed assignments or missed tackles. They gave up a TD on a 99 yard drive. I think they said it was the first time since 2002 that they had done that. I would like to see a little more blitzing this week. Maybe 3 or 4 times just to keep Dallas guessing.
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CB opposite of Ward is a huge question mark. Hopefully Darell Luter Jr can step up and fill the void when healthy.

What are the chances we draft a CB in the 1st or 2nd round in the draft?

Bring that this brain trust has never done it in 7 drafts? Pretty low.

Expecting Luter to start as a small school rook is a big ask. They need to go outside the org at the deadline.

IF Surtain's on the trading block, I say we put a package and get him here.. this will complete our D.. Sean's gonna get desparate and will try to build Denver and we can offer them a 2nd and a 3rd..

No way they move him for less than a 1st. No way.

High performer on rookie contract.

IF Denver is 4-0, no way Sean moves Surtain less than a first.. the fact is, every players on that team's stock is down because they are NOT winning, and ALL should have the common sense that their HC will try to use all his aces in order to build his KINDA team.
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by captveg:
A large part of "the problem" is that opposing offenses are scheming to get the ball out as soon as possible. They know the DL is great, so they simply give up on any longer developing plays that lead to sacks. Niners defense is winning the battle before the games even start because teams are refusing to have pass plays that keeps the ball in the QB's hands for more than 2 seconds. A team forcing itself to dink and dunk isn't as sexy, but it certainly eats a ton of the clock and makes it harder for them to score as much as they need to if our offense continues to run as well as it has been.


When offense's gameplan to get the ball out faster, and when the 49ers are playing zone, the offense really limits themselves on what they are able to call. We don't see those longer developing crossers and hard playaction passes. It's all quick throws to the flat or curls over the middle that doesn't allow for much threat of YAC. 49ers aren't giving up many explosives and this is one reason why.

Quick throws are annoying as hell to see thrown against the 9ers defense!!! It just seems to wear out the defense, then boom double move on Ambry Thomas!!! Smfh
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by captveg:
A large part of "the problem" is that opposing offenses are scheming to get the ball out as soon as possible. They know the DL is great, so they simply give up on any longer developing plays that lead to sacks. Niners defense is winning the battle before the games even start because teams are refusing to have pass plays that keeps the ball in the QB's hands for more than 2 seconds. A team forcing itself to dink and dunk isn't as sexy, but it certainly eats a ton of the clock and makes it harder for them to score as much as they need to if our offense continues to run as well as it has been.


When offense's gameplan to get the ball out faster, and when the 49ers are playing zone, the offense really limits themselves on what they are able to call. We don't see those longer developing crossers and hard playaction passes. It's all quick throws to the flat or curls over the middle that doesn't allow for much threat of YAC. 49ers aren't giving up many explosives and this is one reason why.

Quick throws are annoying as hell to see thrown against the 9ers defense!!! It just seems to wear out the defense, then boom double move on Ambry Thomas!!! Smfh

CAN someone tell AA to just get to the QB 4 seconds sooner?
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by captveg:
A large part of "the problem" is that opposing offenses are scheming to get the ball out as soon as possible. They know the DL is great, so they simply give up on any longer developing plays that lead to sacks. Niners defense is winning the battle before the games even start because teams are refusing to have pass plays that keeps the ball in the QB's hands for more than 2 seconds. A team forcing itself to dink and dunk isn't as sexy, but it certainly eats a ton of the clock and makes it harder for them to score as much as they need to if our offense continues to run as well as it has been.


When offense's gameplan to get the ball out faster, and when the 49ers are playing zone, the offense really limits themselves on what they are able to call. We don't see those longer developing crossers and hard playaction passes. It's all quick throws to the flat or curls over the middle that doesn't allow for much threat of YAC. 49ers aren't giving up many explosives and this is one reason why.

When I watched the film from NY there was also a major concerted effort by Daboll to contain the 49ers DL. They had 6 and 7 man protections on, my rough estimate, probably 70% of their dropbacks or more and then had a ton of short throws. It does present a weird matchup for the defense in that, do you play man or zone? Oliver hasn't been great in man but if you play zone against max protect then you inevitably have guys defending grass and the offense will have more time to stretch zones with simpler reads for a QB. But, like you said, it limits an offenses answers for what exactly the defense is doing.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:

It's not playing poorly imo but we have to admit they've played three lackluster offenses in PIT NYG and ARI.

I think ARI's offense is suffering from low expectation. Dobbs hasn't thrown a pick through 4 games. Only he, Purdy and C.J. Stroud can say that.

They put up 28 points on Dallas that demolished the Giants and the Pats. Their rushing was ranked 7th, I think, coming in.

Fair enough. Then they've played two crappy offenses.

And against those 2 crappy offenses they only allowed 9.5 PPG and had 3 picks.
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by captveg:
A large part of "the problem" is that opposing offenses are scheming to get the ball out as soon as possible. They know the DL is great, so they simply give up on any longer developing plays that lead to sacks. Niners defense is winning the battle before the games even start because teams are refusing to have pass plays that keeps the ball in the QB's hands for more than 2 seconds. A team forcing itself to dink and dunk isn't as sexy, but it certainly eats a ton of the clock and makes it harder for them to score as much as they need to if our offense continues to run as well as it has been.


When offense's gameplan to get the ball out faster, and when the 49ers are playing zone, the offense really limits themselves on what they are able to call. We don't see those longer developing crossers and hard playaction passes. It's all quick throws to the flat or curls over the middle that doesn't allow for much threat of YAC. 49ers aren't giving up many explosives and this is one reason why.

That was true until last week. hey gave up some longer plays because of missed assignments or missed tackles. They gave up a TD on a 99 yard drive. I think they said it was the first time since 2002 that they had done that. I would like to see a little more blitzing this week. Maybe 3 or 4 times just to keep Dallas guessing.

I'm talking about explosive plays versus zone coverage and how it has been limited this season due to opposing offenses getting the ball out faster. The explosive catch over Ambry was versus man coverage. The one explosive ARI had versus zone was the intermediate crosser over Warner on that 99 yard drive.
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:

It's not playing poorly imo but we have to admit they've played three lackluster offenses in PIT NYG and ARI.

I think ARI's offense is suffering from low expectation. Dobbs hasn't thrown a pick through 4 games. Only he, Purdy and C.J. Stroud can say that.

They put up 28 points on Dallas that demolished the Giants and the Pats. Their rushing was ranked 7th, I think, coming in.

Fair enough. Then they've played two crappy offenses.

And against those 2 crappy offenses they only allowed 9.5 PPG and had 3 picks.

That's pretty good.
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by captveg:
A large part of "the problem" is that opposing offenses are scheming to get the ball out as soon as possible. They know the DL is great, so they simply give up on any longer developing plays that lead to sacks. Niners defense is winning the battle before the games even start because teams are refusing to have pass plays that keeps the ball in the QB's hands for more than 2 seconds. A team forcing itself to dink and dunk isn't as sexy, but it certainly eats a ton of the clock and makes it harder for them to score as much as they need to if our offense continues to run as well as it has been.


When offense's gameplan to get the ball out faster, and when the 49ers are playing zone, the offense really limits themselves on what they are able to call. We don't see those longer developing crossers and hard playaction passes. It's all quick throws to the flat or curls over the middle that doesn't allow for much threat of YAC. 49ers aren't giving up many explosives and this is one reason why.

When I watched the film from NY there was also a major concerted effort by Daboll to contain the 49ers DL. They had 6 and 7 man protections on, my rough estimate, probably 70% of their dropbacks or more and then had a ton of short throws. It does present a weird matchup for the defense in that, do you play man or zone? Oliver hasn't been great in man but if you play zone against max protect then you inevitably have guys defending grass and the offense will have more time to stretch zones with simpler reads for a QB. But, like you said, it limits an offenses answers for what exactly the defense is doing.

I remember one play versus NYG where they went max protect and sent out two routes versus the 49ers zone coverage. Multiple defenders covering grass on the other side of the field. League wide, offenses are becoming more patient, out of necessity, as defenses are adopting coverage principles from the Fangio defense that puts a lid on top of the field (Quarters, two high shells). I think where this is headed is that offenses must run the ball well in order to get those safeties cheating up. Only then will playaction to hit explosives work.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by captveg:
A large part of "the problem" is that opposing offenses are scheming to get the ball out as soon as possible. They know the DL is great, so they simply give up on any longer developing plays that lead to sacks. Niners defense is winning the battle before the games even start because teams are refusing to have pass plays that keeps the ball in the QB's hands for more than 2 seconds. A team forcing itself to dink and dunk isn't as sexy, but it certainly eats a ton of the clock and makes it harder for them to score as much as they need to if our offense continues to run as well as it has been.


When offense's gameplan to get the ball out faster, and when the 49ers are playing zone, the offense really limits themselves on what they are able to call. We don't see those longer developing crossers and hard playaction passes. It's all quick throws to the flat or curls over the middle that doesn't allow for much threat of YAC. 49ers aren't giving up many explosives and this is one reason why.

Quick throws are annoying as hell to see thrown against the 9ers defense!!! It just seems to wear out the defense, then boom double move on Ambry Thomas!!! Smfh

Yeah, there is a danger if the opposing team has a patient QB and a WR who can consistently win against defenders. The Rams game in our NFCCG loss is the prime example of it. On the defensive side of the ball, we couldn't get off the field. Stafford just kept converting third downs to Kupp. By the end of the game, our defense just didn't seem to have as much juice.

That said, this year, the defense can afford to play off coverage and just make sure they tackle everything.
1- The offense is playing lights out. If teams have to methodically drive down the field all game long, keeping up with our 30ppg offense will be hard to do. Sooner or later, penalties, drops, and other offensive errors will stall their drives. The Rams tried, but haven't been able to replicate what they did in the NFCCG two years ago.

2-Teams may be able to keep it close through the second, third quarters. But if their offense doesn't have any explosives, they're just burning clock and if our offense has a lead, opposing offenses won't have much to threaten our defense with. In the end, they'll become one dimensional on offense in the fourth quarter.

3- Very few offenses in the league can actually do this gameplan against us successfully. It's why the chess match will be really interesting when we play elite QB's.
This might be the game we alow Wilks to show what he can do with blitz packs
Originally posted by Since07:
This might be the game we alow Wilks to show what he can do with blitz packs

The key is unpredictability
The TTT is average time to throw before being pressured. As you can see, offenses are getting rid of the ball quicker against us than they are against other defenses they have faced this season. And so consequently they are for the most part gaining less yards per pass attempt against us. The only outlier is Dobbs. He played exceptionally well against us.

YPA by game for QB's 49ers defense has faced.

Pickett
SF- 5.0 YPA
CLV- 7.0 YPA
LV- 8.4 YPA
HST- 5.0 YPA

Stafford
SEA- 8.9 YPA
SF- 5.6 YPA
CIN- 8.2 YPA
IND- 8.0 YPA

Jones
DAL- 4.0 YPA
ARI- 8.7 YPA
SF- 4.3 YPA
SEA- 6.0 YPA

Dobbs
WAS- 4.4 YPA
NYG- 7.4 YPA
DAL- 9.0 YPA
SF- 6.5 YPA
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