Coach - Steve Wilks thread

He's young, gotta give him time to turn it around.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
can't we say it's both? ball went thru Ward, and Gip seemingly misplayed it badly. that's execution, if Wilks schemed it where players were not in position to make a play, that's scheme, I saw two guys in position to make a play, one bit on the wrong route, the other had the ball go thru him,

Two major things changed on the defense this offseason.

1. They signed Hargrave

2. They hired Wilks

If most if your defense is suddenly underperforming, that's a coaching/playcalling issue. I haven't seen the defense simply be unable to get off the field this badly since 2016.

is it underperforming tho? let's start with the premise

we are 3rd in points
we are 8th in yds
we are #1 in most INTs
we concede 15.6 ppg (which in today's NFL is elite)

numbers like that don't jive with the FIRE WILKS vibes I am reading
if Ward catches a ball last night, we probably win the game, he had that ball, just make the plays on a platter to be made

grief, 15.6 ppg, with Shanny and all the All Pros on O, that should be a fantastic recipe, one would think, and I think it is over time
just had a sloppy 2 weeks, mostly on O let's not forget that,
last week was the I think lowest yards output of the KS era on O
ton of turnovers last night on O

I think a LOT of us want to be WRONG that Wilks is the problem, and that last night's atrocious pass defense/pass rush was a fluke associated with the fact that the Niners cannot in any capacity win in Minneapolis, while Daniel Jones is nearly 2-0 there.

That's the sincere hope.

But is it the reality?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
He's young, gotta give him time to turn it around.

Wilks is older than Vic Fangio was when he became the 49ers DC. Youth waved bye bye to him awhile ago.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
can't we say it's both? ball went thru Ward, and Gip seemingly misplayed it badly. that's execution, if Wilks schemed it where players were not in position to make a play, that's scheme, I saw two guys in position to make a play, one bit on the wrong route, the other had the ball go thru him,

Two major things changed on the defense this offseason.

1. They signed Hargrave

2. They hired Wilks

If most if your defense is suddenly underperforming, that's a coaching/playcalling issue. I haven't seen the defense simply be unable to get off the field this badly since 2016.

is it underperforming tho? let's start with the premise

we are 3rd in points
we are 8th in yds
we are #1 in most INTs
we concede 15.6 ppg (which in today's NFL is elite)

numbers like that don't jive with the FIRE WILKS vibes I am reading
if Ward catches a ball last night, we probably win the game, he had that ball, just make the plays on a platter to be made

grief, 15.6 ppg, with Shanny and all the All Pros on O, that should be a fantastic recipe, one would think, and I think it is over time
just had a sloppy 2 weeks, mostly on O let's not forget that,
last week was the I think lowest yards output of the KS era on O
ton of turnovers last night on O

I think a LOT of us want to be WRONG that Wilks is the problem, and that last night's atrocious pass defense/pass rush was a fluke associated with the fact that the Niners cannot in any capacity win in Minneapolis, while Daniel Jones is nearly 2-0 there.

That's the sincere hope.

But is it the reality?

what are we talking about, we allow 15.6 ppg, that's better than Ryans, or Saleh
let's bring some reality to the convo, not chicken little sky is falling, which is all too easy after an L
Daniel Jones is not a part of this, he's irrelevant

It. Justs.Feel.Like.Scheme to me.

Every blitz/rush feels like it's standard up the middle, one-on-one. Granted we should be winning those but there's no creativity. You're telling me that we can't move Bosa around much like Dallas moves Parsons around?

I'm definitely putting this loss on the defense and the play calling of the defense.

Calling of the blitz at the end of the half was a bad play call. 16 seconds and no time outs. instead of potentially going into the half 10-7 at worst maybe 13-7. But no, we give them a TD instead making it 16-7 losing all momentum we built.

The 0 sacks is what kills me. 40% of the damn cap is invested in the damn DL and we got nothing from them. Where the hell is Armstead? A name haven't heard much from. Kept this fool instead of Buckner. Hargrave had some pressure, Bosa fails to live up to his contract thus far.

Without pressure our DB's are getting exposed and it's showing very clearly.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
He's young, gotta give him time to turn it around.

Wilks is older than Vic Fangio was when he became the 49ers DC. Youth waved bye bye to him awhile ago.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
can't we say it's both? ball went thru Ward, and Gip seemingly misplayed it badly. that's execution, if Wilks schemed it where players were not in position to make a play, that's scheme, I saw two guys in position to make a play, one bit on the wrong route, the other had the ball go thru him,

Two major things changed on the defense this offseason.

1. They signed Hargrave

2. They hired Wilks

If most if your defense is suddenly underperforming, that's a coaching/playcalling issue. I haven't seen the defense simply be unable to get off the field this badly since 2016.

is it underperforming tho? let's start with the premise

we are 3rd in points
we are 8th in yds
we are #1 in most INTs
we concede 15.6 ppg (which in today's NFL is elite)

numbers like that don't jive with the FIRE WILKS vibes I am reading
if Ward catches a ball last night, we probably win the game, he had that ball, just make the plays on a platter to be made

grief, 15.6 ppg, with Shanny and all the All Pros on O, that should be a fantastic recipe, one would think, and I think it is over time
just had a sloppy 2 weeks, mostly on O let's not forget that,
last week was the I think lowest yards output of the KS era on O
ton of turnovers last night on O

I think a LOT of us want to be WRONG that Wilks is the problem, and that last night's atrocious pass defense/pass rush was a fluke associated with the fact that the Niners cannot in any capacity win in Minneapolis, while Daniel Jones is nearly 2-0 there.

That's the sincere hope.

But is it the reality?

what are we talking about, we allow 15.6 ppg, that's better than Ryans, or Saleh
let's bring some reality to the convo, not chicken little sky is falling, which is all too easy after an L
Daniel Jones is not a part of this, he's irrelevant

ppg isn't the only measure for defensive success.

When you're unable to force punts and letting the other team have the ball 80% of the time, it creates fewer opportunities for your own offense against a much tougher, well-rested defense.

Purdy still should've won at the end. He had two chances, in fact. But the defense can't just let the Vikings hold the ball for 50 minutes and expect us to be able to score enough, even if they did okayish in the red zone.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
He's young, gotta give him time to turn it around.

HOO YOUNG? Wilks?

Brah, this is the NFL.. which stands for " NOT FOH LONG .. when he keeps making them calls "

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
I'm definitely putting this loss on the defense and the play calling of the defense.

Calling of the blitz at the end of the half was a bad play call. 16 seconds and no time outs. instead of potentially going into the half 10-7 at worst maybe 13-7. But no, we give them a TD instead making it 16-7 losing all momentum we built.

The 0 sacks is what kills me. 40% of the damn cap is invested in the damn DL and we got nothing from them. Where the hell is Armstead? A name haven't heard much from. Kept this fool instead of Buckner. Hargrave had some pressure, Bosa fails to live up to his contract thus far.

Without pressure our DB's are getting exposed and it's showing very clearly.

I feel the O is more to blame for last night, the D had real issues on 3rd downs, most of my concerns are execution, missed tackles, jumping the wrong route, not catching a ball you have to come down with,

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
He's young, gotta give him time to turn it around.

He's been an NFL coach since 2005. His job history shows that teams are only willing to let him stick around multiple years as a DB coach.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

let's look at ppg 15.6 this year
we allowed 16.3 last season
21.5 ppg in 2021

We are trending the wrong way, those numbers will keep going up.

we are trending better every year, this is our best year yet on ppg
15.6 is elite, now I know last night was a lil frustrating, but CLE didn't do much and we owned DAL
I think we are overreacting to last night, and putting all the blame on a scapegoat, the wrong one

you can't go on the road, run for 65 as a team, turn it over 3 times, blow a field goal and expect to win

even with all that, the D gave Brock two game winning drive attempts!
we have debatably, the best D in the game, ESPN just ran a piece labeling us as the top D I believe

let's spread the blame around plenty to go around folks, that OL was awful in the run game, CMC looked healthy I've never seen him so bottled up, in his career including Carolina days

You must analytical to a fault. Did you not see the game yesterday? The defense was on the field for three quarters and they gave up a massive amount of yards. Not ONE sack. This defense used to attack now they react.

Those numbers wont be anywhere near that in 5 more weeks. Then what?

The scheme looked bad.
Bosa dropping into coverage and never sniffed a sack.

Originally posted by _emanuel_:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
He's young, gotta give him time to turn it around.

He's been an NFL coach since 2005. His job history shows that teams are only willing to let him stick around multiple years as a DB coach.

I still believe he can be a franchise DC.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I still believe he can be a franchise DC.

Out here fly fishing, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Kirk Cousins was able to hit Jordan Addison vs Cover 0 for a 60-yard TD with 0:16 remaining in the first half.

The 49ers sent the first 7-man pass rush in the last 30 seconds of a half in opposing territory since Week 11, 2020.#SFvsMIN | #Skol pic.twitter.com/zD1empQQ26

— Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) October 24, 2023

That's why you don't blitz with no time left in the half

— Wade Phillips (@sonofbum) October 24, 2023

and look at 31, he's getting suckered up on the intermediate route, then he has to turn and watch a TD, he didn't play it correct, Ward didn't catch the ball either
scheme did no favors, but come on, let's execute also,