Coach - Steve Wilks thread

this dude is basically taking a ferrari and trying to drive off road, smh

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
He's an easy target right now, a lot of these guys were good coordinators not HCs but good position coaches and coordinators
not like these guys don't know football, it just didn't work out for them as HCs, Wilks isn't our HC

Hes an easy target because aside from Hargrave being added, the defense had no major changes other than Wilks being hired to be DC and the defense is being exposed all over the place right now with even mediocre QBs picking them apart.

He was falling out of the NFL and even struggling as a DC in college before Rhule brought him in last year to be a secondary coach. Just like Vance Joseph and Ed Donatell, that's his NFL ceiling.

Let's just keep perspective. Did he have some head scratchers, sure. KS is addressing. We are #1 in INTs. We are 3rd in points. We are giving up 15 point something a game, that's elite. With room for improvement. Just wait for the sacks to come. It's not a time for heads to roll. On the last two games, Moody has to hit a fg, and you can't go 2 GW drive attempts, with INTs. Very really could be undefeated, if the kicker and O did their jobs. 19 and 22 points aren't insurmountable totals for a KS loaded offense to get past.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
He's an easy target right now, a lot of these guys were good coordinators not HCs but good position coaches and coordinators
not like these guys don't know football, it just didn't work out for them as HCs, Wilks isn't our HC

Hes an easy target because aside from Hargrave being added, the defense had no major changes other than Wilks being hired to be DC and the defense is being exposed all over the place right now with even mediocre QBs picking them apart.

He was falling out of the NFL and even struggling as a DC in college before Rhule brought him in last year to be a secondary coach. Just like Vance Joseph and Ed Donatell, that's his NFL ceiling.

Let's just keep perspective. Did he have some head scratchers, sure. KS is addressing. We are #1 in INTs. We are 3rd in points. We are giving up 15 point something a game, that's elite. With room for improvement. Just wait for the sacks to come. It's not a time for heads to roll. On the last two games, Moody has to hit a fg, and you can't go 2 GW drive attempts, with INTs. Very really could be undefeated, if the kicker and O did their jobs. 19 and 22 points aren't insurmountable totals for a KS loaded offense to get past.

Also need to remember this game happened on Oct 23. Oct 23rd of 2022 DeMeco Ryans's defense gave up 42 points to the Chiefs whilst also ranking 372nd out of 372 games in DVOA. Literally the worst defensive performance in 22 years.....That defense then got worked through the first half of the next game against the Rams. They came out at halftime vs the Rams and became one of the best defenses in the league(save for a weird Raiders game where they gave up 34 points to Jarrett Stidham) Nov-Jan.

No reason to panic here.

I don't love my DC

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Let's just keep perspective. Did he have some head scratchers, sure. KS is addressing. We are #1 in INTs. We are 3rd in points. We are giving up 15 point something a game, that's elite. With room for improvement. Just wait for the sacks to come. It's not a time for heads to roll. On the last two games, Moody has to hit a fg, and you can't go 2 GW drive attempts, with INTs. Very really could be undefeated, if the kicker and O did their jobs. 19 and 22 points aren't insurmountable totals for a KS loaded offense to get past.

Definitely not advocating to fire the guy but there are real flaws here that are showing up on a week to week basis, and we have a much more difficult schedule ahead in terms of the offenses we'll be facing.

Positive results (like a low PPG) in a small sample can be the result of more than just good play by our defense. Could be you have Kenny Pickett missing open throws consistently throughout a game, or Kyren Williams dropping a perfect placed ball that turns into a deflected interception.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Also need to remember this game happened on Oct 23. Oct 23rd of 2022 DeMeco Ryans's defense gave up 42 points to the Chiefs whilst also ranking 372nd out of 372 games in DVOA. Literally the worst defensive performance in 22 years.....That defense then got worked through the first half of the next game against the Rams. They came out at halftime vs the Rams and became one of the best defenses in the league(save for a weird Raiders game where they gave up 34 points to Jarrett Stidham) Nov-Jan.

No reason to panic here.

awesome perspective , those are the ups and downs of a season, even with great squads. I remember the infamous 40-8 L the last SB winning 49er team took. NFL will humble you quick, if you aren't careful. With our talent, I'm not betting against us just yet, we'll bounce back.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Also need to remember this game happened on Oct 23. Oct 23rd of 2022 DeMeco Ryans's defense gave up 42 points to the Chiefs whilst also ranking 372nd out of 372 games in DVOA. Literally the worst defensive performance in 22 years.....That defense then got worked through the first half of the next game against the Rams. They came out at halftime vs the Rams and became one of the best defenses in the league(save for a weird Raiders game where they gave up 34 points to Jarrett Stidham) Nov-Jan.

No reason to panic here.

awesome perspective , those are the ups and downs of a season, even with great squads. I remember the infamous 40-8 L the last SB winning 49er team took. NFL will humble you quick, if you aren't careful. With our talent, I'm not betting against us just yet, we'll bounce back.

uggh. Demeco is in Houston guys. I dont get the post.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Let's just keep perspective. Did he have some head scratchers, sure. KS is addressing. We are #1 in INTs. We are 3rd in points. We are giving up 15 point something a game, that's elite. With room for improvement. Just wait for the sacks to come. It's not a time for heads to roll. On the last two games, Moody has to hit a fg, and you can't go 2 GW drive attempts, with INTs. Very really could be undefeated, if the kicker and O did their jobs. 19 and 22 points aren't insurmountable totals for a KS loaded offense to get past.

What Baltimore did to Detroit was elite. Elite defenses don't force a defense to punt for the first time with 9 minutes left in the game. Elite defenses don't let Josh Dobbs go on 98 yard drives. Elite defenses don't let PJ Walker gash them.

This not close to an elite defense right now. Maybe Wilks turns it around but his prior history suggests that he's not likely to do so.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Also need to remember this game happened on Oct 23. Oct 23rd of 2022 DeMeco Ryans's defense gave up 42 points to the Chiefs whilst also ranking 372nd out of 372 games in DVOA. Literally the worst defensive performance in 22 years.....That defense then got worked through the first half of the next game against the Rams. They came out at halftime vs the Rams and became one of the best defenses in the league(save for a weird Raiders game where they gave up 34 points to Jarrett Stidham) Nov-Jan.

No reason to panic here.

I think there's a world of difference between a first time DC struggling to find his way versus a guy whose results have continually been more mediocre then good. I'm seeing the same things with the 49ers and a regression in the defense that happened in Arizona when Wilks replaced Todd Bowles's scheme with his own and suddenly the Cardinals couldn't stop the run, the defense couldn't get off the field and receivers were running wide open all over the place. I remember Cards fans consoling each other that it was still early and these were just growing pains and that the defense would turn it around.

Not only did the defense not turn it around, things got worse. In one season they went from being ranked 6th to 20th defensively and the run defense was ranked dead last in football. In general, every defense that Wilks has called has had great difficulty in stopping the run.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think there's a world of difference between a first time DC struggling to find his way versus a guy whose results have continually been more mediocre then good. I'm seeing the same things with the 49ers and a regression in the defense that happened in Arizona when Wilks replaced Todd Bowles's scheme with his own and suddenly the Cardinals couldn't stop the run, the defense couldn't get off the field and receivers were running wide open all over the place. I remember Cards fans consoling each other that it was still early and these were just growing pains and that the defense would turn it around.

Not only did the defense not turn it around, things got worse. In one season they went from being ranked 6th to 20th defensively and the run defense was ranked dead last in football. In general, every defense that Wilks has called has had great difficulty in stopping the run.

That wasn't fun to read.

Absolutely unbelievable with this talent.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Let's just keep perspective. Did he have some head scratchers, sure. KS is addressing. We are #1 in INTs. We are 3rd in points. We are giving up 15 point something a game, that's elite. With room for improvement. Just wait for the sacks to come. It's not a time for heads to roll. On the last two games, Moody has to hit a fg, and you can't go 2 GW drive attempts, with INTs. Very really could be undefeated, if the kicker and O did their jobs. 19 and 22 points aren't insurmountable totals for a KS loaded offense to get past.

What Baltimore did to Detroit was elite. Elite defenses don't force a defense to punt for the first time with 9 minutes left in the game. Elite defenses don't let Josh Dobbs go on 98 yard drives. Elite defenses don't let PJ Walker gash them.

This not close to an elite defense right now. Maybe Wilks turns it around but his prior history suggests that he's not likely to do so.

We can agree to disagree. I mean PJ and the Browns put up a near 40 spot in Indy. Dobbs walked over DAL and got the W. Elite is a lil nebulous in terms of what that even means. I think we certainly have the talent and coaching to be one of the best Ds if not the best. I like DAL, KC, NYJ, maybe MIA as we get deeper and they get Ramsey and more time for Fangio to get em sorted out. I think those are some of the top Ds in the game today, we are certainly in that convo.

Read between the lines of what the players are saying now. They absolutely despise the scheme.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Read between the lines of what the players are saying now. They absolutely despise the scheme.

The Bosa comments can be viewed as a bit of a red flag. Lil odd to see that in public, we are not usually that club. Any other remarks from other players?

Here me out.
i just finished talking to one of customers who was a former LB for the Texans a few years ago. Not a big name player but lasted 4 years in the NFL before his knee injuries caught up to him.
I asked him plain and simple what's up with the Niners defense.
He said the players are playing the scheme that the DC calls. The DC is not making the in game adjustments that are needed and has no freaking clue why the hell Bosa is out in the flat. Not much players can do on the field unless it comes from the DC.
I know it's everything everyone is saying but thought I'd share it.