QB Sam Darnold is a Viking

Originally posted by q0c0p:
Exactly. Sam is a special qb on this team. Wouldn't be surprised if he became the starter soon and win us a chip. Sam has never had a coach and team like ours.

Yeah, I don't see that. He does have a special team but I don't think he has "the force" lol.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by q0c0p:
Exactly. Sam is a special qb on this team. Wouldn't be surprised if he became the starter soon and win us a chip. Sam has never had a coach and team like ours.

Yeah, I don't see that. He does have a special team but I don't think he has "the force" lol.

I don't see anything special with Sam at all.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I don't see anything special with Sam at all.

Then you don't know how to interpret QB advanced stats. Sam was stellar last year according to analytics.

Originally posted by dayswwneskoqnazfma:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I don't see anything special with Sam at all.

Then you don't know how to interpret QB advanced stats. Sam was stellar last year according to analytics.

Lolwut

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
This is a terrible analogy

How is it a terrible analogy? Name one throw Sam can't do.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Lolwut

"When looking at EPA and CPOE (Completion % Over Expected) in weeks 10-18, Sam Darnold Ranks VERY high. Ranking 4th in the NFL and even ABOVE Brock Purdy. This could be a possible explanation as to why the #49ers and other NFL Analysts are so intrigued by Sam Darnold…"

Originally posted by dayswwneskoqnazfma:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Lolwut

"When looking at EPA and CPOE (Completion % Over Expected) in weeks 10-18, Sam Darnold Ranks VERY high. Ranking 4th in the NFL and even ABOVE Brock Purdy. This could be a possible explanation as to why the #49ers and other NFL Analysts are so intrigued by Sam Darnold…"

When looking at EPA and CPOE (Completion % Over Expected) in weeks 10-18, Sam Darnold Ranks VERY high. Ranking 4th in the NFL and even ABOVE Brock Purdy.

This could be a possible explanation as to why the #49ers and other NFL Analysts are so intrigued by Sam Darnold… 🤷‍♂️ pic.twitter.com/2nOyxym0PA

— Kevin Krueger (@kevinkruegs) May 23, 2023

Goes to show that's these stats don't tell whole story then. If he was so amazing he wouldn't be here on a 1 year deal for 5 mil.

Darnold has a great arm, just isn't the brightest guy out there.

Btw did you just fall asleep on your keyboard when you made this username?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I don't see anything special with Sam at all.

He has some ridiculous throws. I have shared some. Special stuff. I can see why this guy was a near top pick in the draft.

if ppl have this take then the blindfold is on
you can say he sucks if you want, i'll respect that opinion,
but I don't respect the nothing special take, do we realize why the most talented thrower comments exist, Fred Warner was talking about his arm being special also..

Originally posted by dayswwneskoqnazfma:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Lolwut

"When looking at EPA and CPOE (Completion % Over Expected) in weeks 10-18, Sam Darnold Ranks VERY high. Ranking 4th in the NFL and even ABOVE Brock Purdy. This could be a possible explanation as to why the #49ers and other NFL Analysts are so intrigued by Sam Darnold…"

When looking at EPA and CPOE (Completion % Over Expected) in weeks 10-18, Sam Darnold Ranks VERY high. Ranking 4th in the NFL and even ABOVE Brock Purdy.

This could be a possible explanation as to why the #49ers and other NFL Analysts are so intrigued by Sam Darnold… 🤷‍♂️ pic.twitter.com/2nOyxym0PA

— Kevin Krueger (@kevinkruegs) May 23, 2023

He completed 58.5% of his passes. We have no idea if those were a bunch of checkdowns or what because no one here watches the Panthers play football. What does this advanced stat mean? If you have low expectations then it's easier for a QB to have a high CPOE?

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Goes to show that's these stats don't tell whole story then. If he was so amazing he wouldn't be here on a 1 year deal for 5 mil.

Darnold has a great arm, just isn't the brightest guy out there.

Btw did you just fall asleep on your keyboard when you made this username?

Goes to show you don't know much about advanced QB metrics and Darnold's motivation for choosing the 49ers. Every analytics expert and the most advanced offensive mind in the NFL love Darnold.

Originally posted by thl408:
He completed 58.5% of his passes. We have no idea if those were a bunch of checkdowns or what because no one here watches the Panthers play football. What does this advanced stat mean? If you have low expectations then it's easier for a QB to have a high CPOE?

This tells me you know completely zilch about completion rates. Darnold doesn't throw dinks and dunks, which increases completion rates. He throws bombs all over the field. He had a higher ypa than any 49ers QB last year.

Originally posted by dayswwneskoqnazfma:

Originally posted by thl408:
He completed 58.5% of his passes. We have no idea if those were a bunch of checkdowns or what because no one here watches the Panthers play football. What does this advanced stat mean? If you have low expectations then it's easier for a QB to have a high CPOE?

This tells me you know completely zilch about completion rates. Darnold doesn't throw dinks and dunks, which increases completion rates. He throws bombs all over the field. He had a higher ypa than any 49ers QB last year.

Explain it to me. I'm here to learn. What is CPOE?

Originally posted by thl408:
Explain it to me. I'm here to learn. What is CPOE?

Completion percentage over expected, which Darnold excelled in and Purdy and JImmy G didn't. Shanahan's offense gets receivers open while Darnold quarterbacked in offenses that didn't have that.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#completionPercentageAboveExpectation

Originally posted by dayswwneskoqnazfma:

Originally posted by thl408:
Explain it to me. I'm here to learn. What is CPOE?

Completion percentage over expected, which Darnold excelled in and Purdy and JImmy G didn't. Shanahan's offense gets receivers open while Darnold quarterbacked in offenses that have that.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#completionPercentageAboveExpectation

It seems very subjective. And when I sort for the leaders in CPOE I see Trubisky, Geno, and Brissett lead the league. To me, that's the first sign that the stat isn't very telling of how good a QB is. Feel free to hang on to it and if Darnold plays well, making tight window throws, then that's good. But some stats simply don't tell much, and right now I'm lumping this stat into that category.

From that link, I clicked Glossary:
Completion Probability: The probability of a pass completion, based on numerous factors such as receiver separation from the nearest defender, where the receiver is on the field, the separation the passer had at time of throw from the nearest pass rusher, and more.

Expected Completion Percentage (xCOMP): Using a passer's Completion Probability on every play, determine what a passer's completion percentage is expected to be.

Completion Percentage Above Expectation (+/-): A passer's actual completion percentage compared to their Expected Completion Percentage.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dayswwneskoqnazfma:

Originally posted by thl408:
Explain it to me. I'm here to learn. What is CPOE?

Completion percentage over expected, which Darnold excelled in and Purdy and JImmy G didn't. Shanahan's offense gets receivers open while Darnold quarterbacked in offenses that have that.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#completionPercentageAboveExpectation

It seems very subjective. And when I sort for the leaders in CPOE I see Trubisky, Geno, and Brissett lead the league. To me, that's the first sign that the stat isn't very telling of how good a QB is. Feel free to hang on to it and if Darnold plays well, making tight window throws, then that's good. But some stats simply don't tell much, and right now I'm lumping this stat into that category.

From that link, I clicked Glossary:
Completion Probability: The probability of a pass completion, based on numerous factors such as receiver separation from the nearest defender, where the receiver is on the field, the separation the passer had at time of throw from the nearest pass rusher, and more.

Expected Completion Percentage (xCOMP): Using a passer's Completion Probability on every play, determine what a passer's completion percentage is expected to be.

Completion Percentage Above Expectation (+/-): A passer's actual completion percentage compared to their Expected Completion Percentage.

I would say, it seems very objective, in that they are using real data, for example you can know the distance between two players on the field, that's the separation of the receiver, and also how clean the pocket is. Now if you are questioning if the number soup they plug this into to get the completion probability is truly accurate, that's reasonable, but I don't think it's entirely out of the question. If they have been doing this for years, they are probably stacking that throw distance, and the pocket and the separation of the receiver, against their database of other similar throws over the last handful of years (however long they have been tracking). I don't think the intent of the metric is 'how good the QB is'. I think it's what percent is this guy completing, relative to the league average or expectation. I as a general rule don't rely on any of this to inform my decisions on QB play. I'll watch em play personally.