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Originally posted by OC49erLuVeR:
aren't we deep enough on the line. Need CBs!
Originally posted by SFrush:
Lenoir is a good young corner. Some just can't see it for some reason. We would be better off Wilks just keeps him on the outside.
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by SFrush:
Lenoir is a good young corner. Some just can't see it for some reason. We would be better off Wilks just keeps him on the outside.
Agreed.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by SFrush:
Lenoir is a good young corner. Some just can't see it for some reason. We would be better off Wilks just keeps him on the outside.
Agreed.
I agree too, but it's also obvious that we're only 3 deep at CB. If Ambry has to play, we cede touchdowns.
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Would you rather have Gregory for $1M or Yannick Ngakoue for $10M? Ngakoue has 2 sacks in 4 games already.
Some times it is about sacks, no doubt....can you beat your man and impact the play.... but often it is about the defensive line effecting the offensive line. Passrush is a team goal.
Gregory can move his guy...quickly...that alone regardless of actual sacks has some value. Bottom line we are likely to have more defensive linemen deeper upfield with him. That means more chaos and traffic around the opposing QB.
I personally never would have picked up Gregory, I am not a fan of knuckle heads...but the dude does have a legit first step combined with a pass rushers personality. If the dude screws around here, he is gone at little to no cost....so it is not like there is a real downside.
As others have pointed out, maybe it helps push Drake Jackson too....
There is no doubt every team is adopting a Kyle-like 2.5s passing game simply because of our DL. And that's about to increase even more now with RG. In short, we're disrupting OC's before even stepping out on the field.
So opposing teams will just expose whoever plays opposite Ward. I'm glad we're only paying Gregory the vet min, still holding out hope they'll trade for a CB.
Is Lenoir really that much worse than the CB (whoever that guy was) opposite of Richard Sherman under the prime of Seattle's legion of boom era? I am sure team's game plan were to attack whoever plays opposite of Sherman, and that still didn't really work.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Would you rather have Gregory for $1M or Yannick Ngakoue for $10M? Ngakoue has 2 sacks in 4 games already.
Some times it is about sacks, no doubt....can you beat your man and impact the play.... but often it is about the defensive line effecting the offensive line. Passrush is a team goal.
Gregory can move his guy...quickly...that alone regardless of actual sacks has some value. Bottom line we are likely to have more defensive linemen deeper upfield with him. That means more chaos and traffic around the opposing QB.
I personally never would have picked up Gregory, I am not a fan of knuckle heads...but the dude does have a legit first step combined with a pass rushers personality. If the dude screws around here, he is gone at little to no cost....so it is not like there is a real downside.
As others have pointed out, maybe it helps push Drake Jackson too....
There is no doubt every team is adopting a Kyle-like 2.5s passing game simply because of our DL. And that's about to increase even more now with RG. In short, we're disrupting OC's before even stepping out on the field.
So opposing teams will just expose whoever plays opposite Ward. I'm glad we're only paying Gregory the vet min, still holding out hope they'll trade for a CB.
Is Lenoir really that much worse than the CB (whoever that guy was) opposite of Richard Sherman under the prime of Seattle's legion of boom era? I am sure team's game plan were to attack whoever plays opposite of Sherman, and that still didn't really work.
Yeah. Emmanuel Mosely was, to me, clearly a step above Lenoir.
EDIT: Oh, you mean in Seattle. Yes. Brandon Browner was a at one point Pro Bowler, and was never a bad corner. Probably about as good as Mosely was for us, give or take.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Would you rather have Gregory for $1M or Yannick Ngakoue for $10M? Ngakoue has 2 sacks in 4 games already.
Some times it is about sacks, no doubt....can you beat your man and impact the play.... but often it is about the defensive line effecting the offensive line. Passrush is a team goal.
Gregory can move his guy...quickly...that alone regardless of actual sacks has some value. Bottom line we are likely to have more defensive linemen deeper upfield with him. That means more chaos and traffic around the opposing QB.
I personally never would have picked up Gregory, I am not a fan of knuckle heads...but the dude does have a legit first step combined with a pass rushers personality. If the dude screws around here, he is gone at little to no cost....so it is not like there is a real downside.
As others have pointed out, maybe it helps push Drake Jackson too....
There is no doubt every team is adopting a Kyle-like 2.5s passing game simply because of our DL. And that's about to increase even more now with RG. In short, we're disrupting OC's before even stepping out on the field.
So opposing teams will just expose whoever plays opposite Ward. I'm glad we're only paying Gregory the vet min, still holding out hope they'll trade for a CB.
Is Lenoir really that much worse than the CB (whoever that guy was) opposite of Richard Sherman under the prime of Seattle's legion of boom era? I am sure team's game plan were to attack whoever plays opposite of Sherman, and that still didn't really work.
Yeah. Emmanuel Mosely was, to me, clearly a step above Lenoir.
EDIT: Oh, you mean in Seattle. Yes. Brandon Browner was a at one point Pro Bowler, and was never a bad corner. Probably about as good as Mosely was for us, give or take.
Has Moseley played this year?
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Wouldn't it be great if this lights a fire under Gregory and he gets a couple of sacks tonight. Either that or he helps Bosa get a couple.
Originally posted by TyCore:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Wouldn't it be great if this lights a fire under Gregory and he gets a couple of sacks tonight. Either that or he helps Bosa get a couple.
He's not active for tonight's game.
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by OC49erLuVeR:
aren't we deep enough on the line. Need CBs!
Niners always build from the LOS first. Still may be other moves to address the need at CB. I'm assuming Gregory will be the designated pass rusher to spell Drake on obvious passing downs only. Not a bad pickup for that role.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by OC49erLuVeR:
aren't we deep enough on the line. Need CBs!
Niners always build from the LOS first. Still may be other moves to address the need at CB. I'm assuming Gregory will be the designated pass rusher to spell Drake on obvious passing downs only. Not a bad pickup for that role.
We just have to ask, are the 49ers more talented now than before they were Friday morning? Yes.
What did it cost? Moving back a few spots in the draft and vet minimum salary.
While we'd love to have a corner, they have to be avaliable.