Randy Gregory, Edge, Tampa Bay Bucs

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Kyle wanted roster control, you know, to bring in guys like CMC and TW. Elway wouldn't give him that.

It was less about Elway and more so Joe Ellis. Not only was he apparently adamant about not hiring Kyle, he blocked Elway from hiring Mike after Vance Joseph was fired.

https://milehighsports.com/how-mike-shanahan-and-john-elway-agreed-on-a-deal-before-joe-ellis-vetoed-the-decision/https://milehighsports.com/how-mike-shanahan-and-john-elway-agreed-on-a-deal-before-joe-ellis-vetoed-the-decision/

Wow what a trip, I didn't read about that till now and that was 6 years ago!!! WTF 😳

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Kyle wanted roster control, you know, to bring in guys like CMC and TW. Elway wouldn't give him that.

It was less about Elway and more so Joe Ellis. Not only was he apparently adamant about not hiring Kyle, he blocked Elway from hiring Mike after Vance Joseph was fired.

https://milehighsports.com/how-mike-shanahan-and-john-elway-agreed-on-a-deal-before-joe-ellis-vetoed-the-decision/https://milehighsports.com/how-mike-shanahan-and-john-elway-agreed-on-a-deal-before-joe-ellis-vetoed-the-decision/

I didn't know all of that. It's crazy how many near things have happened. I'm glad we got Kyle - I hope he's the head coach for a long time. Sounds like ego is the problem in Denver - people wanting power and influence.

kyle has not only done an excellent job as our head coach, but building a roster and team culture. It hasn't been perfect but they've done a fantastic job. We currently have a juggernaut and if Brock is who we think he is, Kyle is going to have a lot of success coming his way - significantly more than he achieved with jimmy. Time to get your hardware, Kyle! Then watch Denver cry about what could of been.

i also didn't realize, until a few years ago, how much influence Mike shanahan has in our building. One thing Kyle was missing on his staff was an experienced OC/DC to lean on . I didn't realize until later that the person he would go to for advice on what to do in certain situations etc was his dad, a three time super bowl champ and very successful head coach in his own right. Not a bad resource to have as a father.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Kyle wanted roster control, you know, to bring in guys like CMC and TW. Elway wouldn't give him that.

It was less about Elway and more so Joe Ellis. Not only was he apparently adamant about not hiring Kyle, he blocked Elway from hiring Mike after Vance Joseph was fired.

https://milehighsports.com/how-mike-shanahan-and-john-elway-agreed-on-a-deal-before-joe-ellis-vetoed-the-decision/https://milehighsports.com/how-mike-shanahan-and-john-elway-agreed-on-a-deal-before-joe-ellis-vetoed-the-decision/

I was talking about KYLE, not MIKE. Yes, Ellis was not a fan of Mike, which may have played a factor since Kyle was his son, but that was only a part, and I guess it depends on what you want to believe. That may have been a part of it, but only Kyle and Elway truly know.

Kyle Wanted Personnel ControlFor some reason, a misconception exists that Niners' GM John Lynch is Shanahan's boss. It's the other way around. Kyle has the final say on all matters of personnel and hiring. It was he that hired Lynch to be GM, with of course the approval of Niners' CEO Jed York.

See, personnel control was one of Kyle's demands during his interview process in that year's head-coaching carousel. The problem with that, as I'm sure you can imagine, was the fact that the Broncos' personnel department was under Elway's purview. And Elway was just one year removed from winning it all as a GM.

Heck, Elway built two distinctly different Super Bowl teams as a front-office czar within three seasons of each other. In 2013, the Broncos made it to Super Bowl XLVIII on the shoulders of the No. 1 scoring offense in the history of the NFL. That Broncos squad was crushed by the Seattle Seahawks' Legion of Boom, so Elway went back to the drawing board and rebuilt the roster with a focus on defense. Two years later, Denver won it all off the back of the league's No. 1 defense.

To further complicate matters, even though the Broncos were coming off their first non-playoff season of the Elway era, they still won nine games in 2016 with the second-year Trevor Siemian as the starting quarterback. Elway was still very much feeling his oats when Kyle was interviewed, seeking the type of personnel power his dad had enjoyed for all those years in Denver.

Considering that Kyle had yet to even become a head coach and the fact that he had just turned 37, Elway and company felt like giving him personnel control was a bridge too far.

Kyle obviously has final say over the roster here, and wouldn't have gotten it in Denver. At any rate, my OP stands. Teams should do the opposite of what Denver does.

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/4-reasons-the-denver-broncos-passed-on-hiring-kyle-shanahan-as-head-coach

Hope he comes in and balls out for us.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Just saw this little gem

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/16/denver-broncos-right-decision-pass-kyle-shanahan-5-reasons/

I have so many Broncos friends living here in Utah, and ALL are disgusted that we have Kyle, Lynch and CMC. It's like if we had the chance to hire Bill Walsh's son, get Ronnie Lott as our GM and later get Jerry Rice's son (if they were all as good) and passed on the opportunity. They're all so jealous you can't even imagine.

Ya that's gotta be brutal for them

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I know I'm just being paranoid but I hope Gregory doesn't mess with the chemistry on defense. I still don't buy what the Broncos said about releasing Gregory. That they wanted to focus on the younger players. Who knows though, Sean Payton or Vance Joseph could be dicks!!!!

Broncos are literally the team every other team in the league should do the opposite of.

This group of leaders is too strong.

Its Freds defense.

Do you think for one second he would allow shenanigans in the locker room?

Dallas would not have kept Gregory as long as they had if he were a locker room problem. They even came close to re-signing him.

Can someone fill me in on why everyone is so excited about this guy? I know sack numbers don't tell the entire story but seems like an underwhelming dude.

Originally posted by Youngone:
Can someone fill me in on why everyone is so excited about this guy? I know sack numbers don't tell the entire story but seems like an underwhelming dude.

Super talented - very good at rushing the passer and setting the edge. He's extremely talented and if we can get him focused and disciplined for the rest of the season - it's a massive win. Having him opposite of bosa, assuming he plays well, will be a huge jolt to our pass rush.

bosa, and Gregory, with Jackson as a rotation can be a great one. When gregory has played, he's done very well with getting pressure and disrupting plays. The problem in the past has been that he got in trouble for smoking weed and all that.

He would of been a top 10 pick in 2015 if he didn't get in trouble for weed right before the draft, so he fell to the second round. Dallas was going to resign him to a massive contract but wanted some stipulation in there about them getting guaranteed money back if he got suspended for weed again. Instead, he signed with Denver. He played really well there when healthy and then hurt his knee last year (or meniscus). So if he is healthy and can fit in with this locker room - sky's the limit.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Youngone:
Can someone fill me in on why everyone is so excited about this guy? I know sack numbers don't tell the entire story but seems like an underwhelming dude.

Super talented - very good at rushing the passer and setting the edge. He's extremely talented and if we can get him focused and disciplined for the rest of the season - it's a massive win. Having him opposite of bosa, assuming he plays well, will be a huge jolt to our pass rush.

bosa, and Gregory, with Jackson as a rotation can be a great one. When gregory has played, he's done very well with getting pressure and disrupting plays. The problem in the past has been that he got in trouble for smoking weed and all that.

He would of been a top 10 pick in 2015 if he didn't get in trouble for weed right before the draft, so he fell to the second round. Dallas was going to resign him to a massive contract but wanted some stipulation in there about them getting guaranteed money back if he got suspended for weed again. Instead, he signed with Denver. He played really well there when healthy and then hurt his knee last year (or meniscus). So if he is healthy and can fit in with this locker room - sky's the limit.

Sometimes it's just the scheme that doesn't fit the player. He may fit into the Niners D better. We'll see.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Youngone:
Can someone fill me in on why everyone is so excited about this guy? I know sack numbers don't tell the entire story but seems like an underwhelming dude.

Super talented - very good at rushing the passer and setting the edge. He's extremely talented and if we can get him focused and disciplined for the rest of the season - it's a massive win. Having him opposite of bosa, assuming he plays well, will be a huge jolt to our pass rush.

bosa, and Gregory, with Jackson as a rotation can be a great one. When gregory has played, he's done very well with getting pressure and disrupting plays. The problem in the past has been that he got in trouble for smoking weed and all that.

He would of been a top 10 pick in 2015 if he didn't get in trouble for weed right before the draft, so he fell to the second round. Dallas was going to resign him to a massive contract but wanted some stipulation in there about them getting guaranteed money back if he got suspended for weed again. Instead, he signed with Denver. He played really well there when healthy and then hurt his knee last year (or meniscus). So if he is healthy and can fit in with this locker room - sky's the limit.

This is correct, Gregory had a deal with Dallas agreed to, but Dallas basically said we want to put what you said into the deal, so he backed out, signed with Denver, glad we have him now, we have a strong locker room who will help keep him straight, if not, they will just cut bait, and chalk it up to just a pick swap.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Sometimes it's just the scheme that doesn't fit the player. He may fit into the Niners D better. We'll see.

He may give juice at edge opposite Bosa, if that happens, it takes this entire team up a notch,
look what happened to DAL, then take that up a notch, see what happens

Originally posted by Youngone:
Can someone fill me in on why everyone is so excited about this guy? I know sack numbers don't tell the entire story but seems like an underwhelming dude.

Outside of Dee ford for a handful of snaps, I'd say Gregory is the most talented EDGE we've had opposite of Bosa.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Youngone:
Can someone fill me in on why everyone is so excited about this guy? I know sack numbers don't tell the entire story but seems like an underwhelming dude.

Outside of Dee ford for a handful of snaps, I'd say Gregory is the most talented EDGE we've had opposite of Bosa.

Hmm… in terms of bend and movement skills I think you're right. I'm not sure Gregory is a better player than Ebukam though. Even if it's close, the trade is 100% worth it.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Youngone:
Can someone fill me in on why everyone is so excited about this guy? I know sack numbers don't tell the entire story but seems like an underwhelming dude.

Outside of Dee ford for a handful of snaps, I'd say Gregory is the most talented EDGE we've had opposite of Bosa.

Hmm… in terms of bend and movement skills I think you're right. I'm not sure Gregory is a better player than Ebukam though. Even if it's close, the trade is 100% worth it.

We will see! I think gregory is far more naturally talented and explosive than ebaukam but gregory will have to prove it cause talent doesn't mean much if you don't capitalize on it.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Kyle wanted roster control, you know, to bring in guys like CMC and TW. Elway wouldn't give him that.

It was less about Elway and more so Joe Ellis. Not only was he apparently adamant about not hiring Kyle, he blocked Elway from hiring Mike after Vance Joseph was fired.

https://milehighsports.com/how-mike-shanahan-and-john-elway-agreed-on-a-deal-before-joe-ellis-vetoed-the-decision/https://milehighsports.com/how-mike-shanahan-and-john-elway-agreed-on-a-deal-before-joe-ellis-vetoed-the-decision/

I was talking about KYLE, not MIKE. Yes, Ellis was not a fan of Mike, which may have played a factor since Kyle was his son, but that was only a part, and I guess it depends on what you want to believe. That may have been a part of it, but only Kyle and Elway truly know.

Kyle Wanted Personnel ControlFor some reason, a misconception exists that Niners' GM John Lynch is Shanahan's boss. It's the other way around. Kyle has the final say on all matters of personnel and hiring. It was he that hired Lynch to be GM, with of course the approval of Niners' CEO Jed York.

See, personnel control was one of Kyle's demands during his interview process in that year's head-coaching carousel. The problem with that, as I'm sure you can imagine, was the fact that the Broncos' personnel department was under Elway's purview. And Elway was just one year removed from winning it all as a GM.

Heck, Elway built two distinctly different Super Bowl teams as a front-office czar within three seasons of each other. In 2013, the Broncos made it to Super Bowl XLVIII on the shoulders of the No. 1 scoring offense in the history of the NFL. That Broncos squad was crushed by the Seattle Seahawks' Legion of Boom, so Elway went back to the drawing board and rebuilt the roster with a focus on defense. Two years later, Denver won it all off the back of the league's No. 1 defense.

To further complicate matters, even though the Broncos were coming off their first non-playoff season of the Elway era, they still won nine games in 2016 with the second-year Trevor Siemian as the starting quarterback. Elway was still very much feeling his oats when Kyle was interviewed, seeking the type of personnel power his dad had enjoyed for all those years in Denver.

Considering that Kyle had yet to even become a head coach and the fact that he had just turned 37, Elway and company felt like giving him personnel control was a bridge too far.

Kyle obviously has final say over the roster here, and wouldn't have gotten it in Denver. At any rate, my OP stands. Teams should do the opposite of what Denver does.

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/4-reasons-the-denver-broncos-passed-on-hiring-kyle-shanahan-as-head-coach

Kyle runs this b***h.