Randy Gregory, Edge, Tampa Bay Bucs

NY held QBs to the highest of standards because he didn't think a QB with more picks then TDs and the worst 4th quarter performances ever was good enough.

When you have no standard for QB play everything else looks unreachable.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
IMHO, he hasn't had the closers that Lynch and Kyle have talked about annually, hence why Lynch is still trying and will likely try again with their first pick in the draft.

Regular season top 5 defense means nothing if they can't close in the playoffs. They couldn't close in the Superbowl and playoffs when they needed too, usually up 10 points in the 4Q.

Maybe this is the year they close the deal though.

Well you're coming off as if this DL hasn't been great this yr. We haven't even played a playoff game, so making any assumption there is silly right now.

If you can get Gregory and Young for pennies the dollar, who wouldn't do that in our position? We don't need them to be Nick Bosa 2.0…other teams would.

All those pressures have helped SF lead the league in INTs. Unless you think we have an elite level secondary that is bailing out our DL?

this system/scheme is based around the DL. This isn't some 2-gapping defense, we're not blitzing at some crazy rate. Ton of 4 man pressures & they're told to beat their matchups (some getting doubled all damn day). Talent matters there, you can't hide behind scheme here on D. You sure as s**t can on the OL.

Just the opposite. My stance has always been to use less resources because we're top 5 every year no matter the personnel (with Bosa healthy). The needle can't be moved too much more here.

But Lynch is CLEARLY trying to still find that true ER2 and they put out a public message of wanting a DL that can close games. That's not me. That's them. This is their philosophy.

And if they choose to stick to it, Lynch is just going to have to eat it and go buy another one if he wants a closing DL. We got a glimpse of that with Ford. He clearly still wants that.

You hold a QB to the highest of standards based on what he's paid. But you don't do the same with a DL that's had more resources devoted to it in history.

One of your signature argument was if we had no Trent Williams our OL would be below average. Why wouldn't you use the same argument on the DL? For example last season, if we had no Bosa our DL would be below average. Per you standard that should be a problem.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
NY held QBs to the highest of standards because he didn't think a QB with more picks then TDs and the worst 4th quarter performances ever was good enough.

When you have no standard for QB play everything else looks unreachable.

Bingo

Originally posted by NCommand:
Just the opposite. My stance has always been to use less resources because we're top 5 every year no matter the personnel (with Bosa healthy). The needle can't be moved too much more here.

But Lynch is CLEARLY trying to still find that true ER2 and they put out a public message of wanting a DL that can close games. That's not me. That's them. This is their philosophy.

And if they choose to stick to it, Lynch is just going to have to eat it and go buy another one if he wants a closing DL. We got a glimpse of that with Ford. He clearly still wants that.

You hold a QB to the highest of standards based on what he's paid. But you don't do the same with a DL that's had more resources devoted to it in history.

We're top 5 every year BECAUSE they invest in the position a ton. What you've been complaining about is WHAT makes the defense good.

I held a QB who at one point was making more money than anyone in the league to higher standards then being f**king awful in the playoffs and when it actually mattered. You didn't and blamed it on other things. Dude lasted a handful of games once he left Kyle and our "bad OL"

when our defense is 2nd in the league in pts allowed, that means the philosophy is actually working lol….If you don't think the DL is doing their job based off sacks numbers, that's your opinion. I would say that's a pretty amateur way to look at it though.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We're top 5 every year BECAUSE they invest in the position a ton. What you've been complaining about is WHAT makes the defense good.

I held a QB who at one point was making more money than anyone in the league to higher standards then being f**king awful in the playoffs and when it actually mattered. You didn't and blamed it on other things. Dude lasted a handful of games once he left Kyle and our "bad OL"

when our defense is 2nd in the league in pts allowed, that means the philosophy is actually working lol….If you don't think the DL is doing their job based off sacks numbers, that's your opinion. I would say that's a pretty amateur way to look at it though.

Much of the sack numbers are influenced by the bend but don't break scheme. Can't get sacks when the ball continually comes out quickly but design.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
IMHO, he hasn't had the closers that Lynch and Kyle have talked about annually, hence why Lynch is still trying and will likely try again with their first pick in the draft.

Regular season top 5 defense means nothing if they can't close in the playoffs. They couldn't close in the Superbowl and playoffs when they needed too, usually up 10 points in the 4Q.

Maybe this is the year they close the deal though.

Well you're coming off as if this DL hasn't been great this yr. We haven't even played a playoff game, so making any assumption there is silly right now.

If you can get Gregory and Young for pennies the dollar, who wouldn't do that in our position? We don't need them to be Nick Bosa 2.0…other teams would.

All those pressures have helped SF lead the league in INTs. Unless you think we have an elite level secondary that is bailing out our DL?

this system/scheme is based around the DL. This isn't some 2-gapping defense, we're not blitzing at some crazy rate. Ton of 4 man pressures & they're told to beat their matchups (some getting doubled all damn day). Talent matters there, you can't hide behind scheme here on D. You sure as s**t can on the OL.

Just the opposite. My stance has always been to use less resources because we're top 5 every year no matter the personnel (with Bosa healthy). The needle can't be moved too much more here.

But Lynch is CLEARLY trying to still find that true ER2 and they put out a public message of wanting a DL that can close games. That's not me. That's them. This is their philosophy.

And if they choose to stick to it, Lynch is just going to have to eat it and go buy another one if he wants a closing DL. We got a glimpse of that with Ford. He clearly still wants that.

You hold a QB to the highest of standards based on what he's paid. But you don't do the same with a DL that's had more resources devoted to it in history.

One of your signature argument was if we had no Trent Williams our OL would be below average. Why wouldn't you use the same argument on the DL? For example last season, if we had no Bosa our DL would be below average. Per you standard that should be a problem.

Huh? This isn't about the unit. Also, AA, Hargrave + are really really good players. It wouldn't be below average.

The topic is about what's next. IF Lynch wants to continue with his philosophy of finding that ER2, what's next? Just give in and buy one or draft another one high?

Or continue with the annual trend of trades and acquisition of former first-rounder veterans who are really solid but struggle closing...this is what Lynch wants, right? This is why he's still trying to acquire that, right?

What do you think?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Just the opposite. My stance has always been to use less resources because we're top 5 every year no matter the personnel (with Bosa healthy). The needle can't be moved too much more here.

But Lynch is CLEARLY trying to still find that true ER2 and they put out a public message of wanting a DL that can close games. That's not me. That's them. This is their philosophy.

And if they choose to stick to it, Lynch is just going to have to eat it and go buy another one if he wants a closing DL. We got a glimpse of that with Ford. He clearly still wants that.

You hold a QB to the highest of standards based on what he's paid. But you don't do the same with a DL that's had more resources devoted to it in history.

We're top 5 every year BECAUSE they invest in the position a ton. What you've been complaining about is WHAT makes the defense good.

I held a QB who at one point was making more money than anyone in the league to higher standards then being f**king awful in the playoffs and when it actually mattered. You didn't and blamed it on other things. Dude lasted a handful of games once he left Kyle and our "bad OL"

when our defense is 2nd in the league in pts allowed, that means the philosophy is actually working lol….If you don't think the DL is doing their job based off sacks numbers, that's your opinion. I would say that's a pretty amateur way to look at it though.

So you feel a defense that gave up 21 points in 7 minutes, Rams, couldn't close, closing sacks this year, has been good enough with all the resources over all these years?

I care about the post season. Lynch wants a group who can close out games. Period. Do you think he has that on the DL now? If so, no worries.

And if not, what's going to be good strategy next year? Should it change?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
IMHO, he hasn't had the closers that Lynch and Kyle have talked about annually, hence why Lynch is still trying and will likely try again with their first pick in the draft.

Regular season top 5 defense means nothing if they can't close in the playoffs. They couldn't close in the Superbowl and playoffs when they needed too, usually up 10 points in the 4Q.

Maybe this is the year they close the deal though.

Well you're coming off as if this DL hasn't been great this yr. We haven't even played a playoff game, so making any assumption there is silly right now.

If you can get Gregory and Young for pennies the dollar, who wouldn't do that in our position? We don't need them to be Nick Bosa 2.0…other teams would.

All those pressures have helped SF lead the league in INTs. Unless you think we have an elite level secondary that is bailing out our DL?

this system/scheme is based around the DL. This isn't some 2-gapping defense, we're not blitzing at some crazy rate. Ton of 4 man pressures & they're told to beat their matchups (some getting doubled all damn day). Talent matters there, you can't hide behind scheme here on D. You sure as s**t can on the OL.

Just the opposite. My stance has always been to use less resources because we're top 5 every year no matter the personnel (with Bosa healthy). The needle can't be moved too much more here.

But Lynch is CLEARLY trying to still find that true ER2 and they put out a public message of wanting a DL that can close games. That's not me. That's them. This is their philosophy.

And if they choose to stick to it, Lynch is just going to have to eat it and go buy another one if he wants a closing DL. We got a glimpse of that with Ford. He clearly still wants that.

You hold a QB to the highest of standards based on what he's paid. But you don't do the same with a DL that's had more resources devoted to it in history.

One of your signature argument was if we had no Trent Williams our OL would be below average. Why wouldn't you use the same argument on the DL? For example last season, if we had no Bosa our DL would be below average. Per you standard that should be a problem.

Huh? This isn't about the unit. Also, AA, Hargrave + are really really good players. It wouldn't be below average.

The topic is about what's next. IF Lynch wants to continue with his philosophy of finding that ER2, what's next? Just give in and buy one or draft another one high?

Or continue with the annual trend of trades and acquisition of former first-rounder veterans who are really solid but struggle closing...this is what Lynch wants, right? This is why he's still trying to acquire that, right?

What do you think?

Did you read? I was specifically referring to last season. We didn't have Hargrave, Young, nor Gregory. It would have been below average.

In terms of what's next, depending on the cost, we could acquire new talent or keep Young or Gregory.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
IMHO, he hasn't had the closers that Lynch and Kyle have talked about annually, hence why Lynch is still trying and will likely try again with their first pick in the draft.

Regular season top 5 defense means nothing if they can't close in the playoffs. They couldn't close in the Superbowl and playoffs when they needed too, usually up 10 points in the 4Q.

Maybe this is the year they close the deal though.

Well you're coming off as if this DL hasn't been great this yr. We haven't even played a playoff game, so making any assumption there is silly right now.

If you can get Gregory and Young for pennies the dollar, who wouldn't do that in our position? We don't need them to be Nick Bosa 2.0…other teams would.

All those pressures have helped SF lead the league in INTs. Unless you think we have an elite level secondary that is bailing out our DL?

this system/scheme is based around the DL. This isn't some 2-gapping defense, we're not blitzing at some crazy rate. Ton of 4 man pressures & they're told to beat their matchups (some getting doubled all damn day). Talent matters there, you can't hide behind scheme here on D. You sure as s**t can on the OL.

Just the opposite. My stance has always been to use less resources because we're top 5 every year no matter the personnel (with Bosa healthy). The needle can't be moved too much more here.

But Lynch is CLEARLY trying to still find that true ER2 and they put out a public message of wanting a DL that can close games. That's not me. That's them. This is their philosophy.

And if they choose to stick to it, Lynch is just going to have to eat it and go buy another one if he wants a closing DL. We got a glimpse of that with Ford. He clearly still wants that.

You hold a QB to the highest of standards based on what he's paid. But you don't do the same with a DL that's had more resources devoted to it in history.

One of your signature argument was if we had no Trent Williams our OL would be below average. Why wouldn't you use the same argument on the DL? For example last season, if we had no Bosa our DL would be below average. Per you standard that should be a problem.

Huh? This isn't about the unit. Also, AA, Hargrave + are really really good players. It wouldn't be below average.

The topic is about what's next. IF Lynch wants to continue with his philosophy of finding that ER2, what's next? Just give in and buy one or draft another one high?

Or continue with the annual trend of trades and acquisition of former first-rounder veterans who are really solid but struggle closing...this is what Lynch wants, right? This is why he's still trying to acquire that, right?

What do you think?

I was specifically referring to last season. We didn't have Hargrave, Young, nor Gregory. It would have been below average.

In terms of what's next, depending on the cost, we could acquire new talent or keep Young or Gregory.

Gotcha. In terms of run defense and overall yards, etc. this defense has always been top 5 with a long list of personnel and coaching changes.

That's exactly my point. If you go in both the Chase and Gregory threads, nobody feels these guys have lived up to the hype and have been pretty poor at closing. Quality players, but not closers like Ford was when healthy. And that's what Lynch continues to look for. This is what cost us in the past.

So you think we could afford to buy a more proven closer at ER2? Or you think both have met that expectation (up to this point, of course)?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
IMHO, he hasn't had the closers that Lynch and Kyle have talked about annually, hence why Lynch is still trying and will likely try again with their first pick in the draft.

Regular season top 5 defense means nothing if they can't close in the playoffs. They couldn't close in the Superbowl and playoffs when they needed too, usually up 10 points in the 4Q.

Maybe this is the year they close the deal though.

Well you're coming off as if this DL hasn't been great this yr. We haven't even played a playoff game, so making any assumption there is silly right now.

If you can get Gregory and Young for pennies the dollar, who wouldn't do that in our position? We don't need them to be Nick Bosa 2.0…other teams would.

All those pressures have helped SF lead the league in INTs. Unless you think we have an elite level secondary that is bailing out our DL?

this system/scheme is based around the DL. This isn't some 2-gapping defense, we're not blitzing at some crazy rate. Ton of 4 man pressures & they're told to beat their matchups (some getting doubled all damn day). Talent matters there, you can't hide behind scheme here on D. You sure as s**t can on the OL.

Just the opposite. My stance has always been to use less resources because we're top 5 every year no matter the personnel (with Bosa healthy). The needle can't be moved too much more here.

But Lynch is CLEARLY trying to still find that true ER2 and they put out a public message of wanting a DL that can close games. That's not me. That's them. This is their philosophy.

And if they choose to stick to it, Lynch is just going to have to eat it and go buy another one if he wants a closing DL. We got a glimpse of that with Ford. He clearly still wants that.

You hold a QB to the highest of standards based on what he's paid. But you don't do the same with a DL that's had more resources devoted to it in history.

One of your signature argument was if we had no Trent Williams our OL would be below average. Why wouldn't you use the same argument on the DL? For example last season, if we had no Bosa our DL would be below average. Per you standard that should be a problem.

Huh? This isn't about the unit. Also, AA, Hargrave + are really really good players. It wouldn't be below average.

The topic is about what's next. IF Lynch wants to continue with his philosophy of finding that ER2, what's next? Just give in and buy one or draft another one high?

Or continue with the annual trend of trades and acquisition of former first-rounder veterans who are really solid but struggle closing...this is what Lynch wants, right? This is why he's still trying to acquire that, right?

What do you think?

I was specifically referring to last season. We didn't have Hargrave, Young, nor Gregory. It would have been below average.

In terms of what's next, depending on the cost, we could acquire new talent or keep Young or Gregory.

Gotcha. In terms of run defense and overall yards, etc. this defense has always been top 5 with a long list of personnel and coaching changes.

That's exactly my point. If you go in both the Chase and Gregory threads, nobody feels these guys have lived up to the hype and have been pretty poor at closing. Quality players, but not closers like Ford was when healthy. And that's what Lynch continues to look for. This is what cost us in the past.

So you think we could afford to buy a more proven closer at ER2? Or you think both have met that expectation (up to this point, of course)?

I think Young may have performed below everyone's high expectation, but he is still a darn good player. IMO he is certainly good enough to be the ER opposite of Bosa.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
IMHO, he hasn't had the closers that Lynch and Kyle have talked about annually, hence why Lynch is still trying and will likely try again with their first pick in the draft.

Regular season top 5 defense means nothing if they can't close in the playoffs. They couldn't close in the Superbowl and playoffs when they needed too, usually up 10 points in the 4Q.

Maybe this is the year they close the deal though.

Well you're coming off as if this DL hasn't been great this yr. We haven't even played a playoff game, so making any assumption there is silly right now.

If you can get Gregory and Young for pennies the dollar, who wouldn't do that in our position? We don't need them to be Nick Bosa 2.0…other teams would.

All those pressures have helped SF lead the league in INTs. Unless you think we have an elite level secondary that is bailing out our DL?

this system/scheme is based around the DL. This isn't some 2-gapping defense, we're not blitzing at some crazy rate. Ton of 4 man pressures & they're told to beat their matchups (some getting doubled all damn day). Talent matters there, you can't hide behind scheme here on D. You sure as s**t can on the OL.

Just the opposite. My stance has always been to use less resources because we're top 5 every year no matter the personnel (with Bosa healthy). The needle can't be moved too much more here.

But Lynch is CLEARLY trying to still find that true ER2 and they put out a public message of wanting a DL that can close games. That's not me. That's them. This is their philosophy.

And if they choose to stick to it, Lynch is just going to have to eat it and go buy another one if he wants a closing DL. We got a glimpse of that with Ford. He clearly still wants that.

You hold a QB to the highest of standards based on what he's paid. But you don't do the same with a DL that's had more resources devoted to it in history.

One of your signature argument was if we had no Trent Williams our OL would be below average. Why wouldn't you use the same argument on the DL? For example last season, if we had no Bosa our DL would be below average. Per you standard that should be a problem.

Huh? This isn't about the unit. Also, AA, Hargrave + are really really good players. It wouldn't be below average.

The topic is about what's next. IF Lynch wants to continue with his philosophy of finding that ER2, what's next? Just give in and buy one or draft another one high?

Or continue with the annual trend of trades and acquisition of former first-rounder veterans who are really solid but struggle closing...this is what Lynch wants, right? This is why he's still trying to acquire that, right?

What do you think?

I was specifically referring to last season. We didn't have Hargrave, Young, nor Gregory. It would have been below average.

In terms of what's next, depending on the cost, we could acquire new talent or keep Young or Gregory.

Gotcha. In terms of run defense and overall yards, etc. this defense has always been top 5 with a long list of personnel and coaching changes.

That's exactly my point. If you go in both the Chase and Gregory threads, nobody feels these guys have lived up to the hype and have been pretty poor at closing. Quality players, but not closers like Ford was when healthy. And that's what Lynch continues to look for. This is what cost us in the past.

So you think we could afford to buy a more proven closer at ER2? Or you think both have met that expectation (up to this point, of course)?

I think Young may have performed below everyone's high expectation, but he is still a darn good player. IMO he is certainly good enough to be the ER opposite of Bosa.

Gotcha! I haven't seen this take yet so now I understand where you're coming from. And hey, I do think most think the extra time off and playing for big pay days, both Young and Gregory could take off and help close the deal this post season too.

I've been making the rounds in the threads that cost us in the past and asking if we've improved...QB and injuries we clearly did; then DL, OL and secondary.

I want to win this damn thing!

What's with the 20 questions like someone is quizzing folks? Jfc

Let's see... Randy hasn't got in trouble off the field.. hasn't cost us on the field... and I see him getting pressure here and there.

Perfect for depth on our Super Bowl run!

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Let's see... Randy hasn't got in trouble off the field.. hasn't cost us on the field... and I see him getting pressure here and there.

Perfect for depth on our Super Bowl run!

You absolutely NAILED it!

This man wanted it tonight. Wouldn't be mad if he started.