DE Chase Young signs with the Saints

Originally posted by 49erF90:

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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Sign him long term to a fair deal. If the leg will hold up. Not a break the bank deal. Because of the medical. But this team is unreal with both of them.

I would do an incentive based deal right now if the offseason were today, I still think on the open market he'll command somewhere what Montez Sweat got, $24.5M a year, I'm fine paying him that, now that Gregory's deal voids, we need to keep Chase IMO.

I'd love to keep him, but not at $24.5mil/yr. He's a good possibly great player, but that's more than Hargrave signed for. We'd have $100mil/yr just on the defensive line. We'll see how the season finishes, but while he's been very solid and a clear upgrade, he's not blowing me away with his play. Bosa had more sacks last season than Young has in his career.

I wouldnt sign him in 2024. Worry about Greenlaw, BA and Purdy, which would be 2025.

nahhhhh... Greenlaw can walk... in fact we need to invest on some LBs in next year's draft.. ones that can takeover in a year or two..

CHASE gots to be signed.,.., he was often injured AT Washington ..... but that was there.. it MAY be different here..,.and for those who's been following sports for a long time, you just know when a guy has that IT !!

WOOOOOOOOOOOO !! GO NINERSSSSS !!!

Huh, Dre is a must keep with Mooney next year.

AB what do you think about what it will take to keep Chase and Dre...We need them both. Love your Cap and salary estimates. Thanks fine Sir.

Chase probably asks for what Montez Sweat got, $24.5M a yr, it's doable, Dre wise, somewhere in the $12M a yr range seems fair, that would put him top 8 highest paid off-ball LBs, maybe as high as $14M a year. Mooney should be somewhere in the $14M-$16M a year range. BA I think gets close to what Deebo got, $23.85M a yr, maybe a bit more like $24M a year or $25M a year. All doable IMO.

Thank you I hope we get this done. All those players are needed for what we do on defense. Ayuik is a must as well. I'm glad we cleared all that cap space for next year and can hopefully use that extra for larger signing bonuses to keep the cap figure for 2025 in line for Brock and others.

We would be really dumb to pay Chase 20-25mil a year. What has he done to deserve that type of a contract?

10-15 mil a year. Short term contract and give him a player option. So if next year he has a breakout year then he can go chase the money.

It's the market rate. Sweat has never had over 10 sacks in a season, and yet, that's what he got.
I do agree with offering a shorter term contract of 3 years or so, not as much guaranteed money. He should be able to put up great sack numbers opposite of Bosa, and then test the market at 28 years old. He can really cash in then.

We'll be losing these guys off the line next year, it's better to lock up Chase and get some bargain DTs in FA

Kinlaw
Ferrell
Givens

Chase's roof is higher than those 3 and he's a lot better than Sweat I think.

not saying they are but if we lose guys in the middle, it's better to have the ends secured for the future

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by All22:
Chase Young has Dee Ford vibes.

Washington didn't pick up his fifth year option and traded him for peanuts despite already having 5 sacks this year.

Teams don't do that with productive edge rushers

Teams also do not trade franchise LTs with years of best in NFL play left for a 3rd.

Totally different. Trent rejected the team, the team didn't reject him.

Trent sat out a year while 100% healthy because he didn't want to play for them ever again.

Originally posted by 49erF90:
Chase's roof is higher than those 3 and he's a lot better than Sweat I think.

Sweat is clearly the better player now which is why he went for a lot more draft capital than Young.

Sweat is also an absolute athletic freak. His ceiling is as high as anyone's

You know who's had a solid season too but quietly? Clellin ferrell. I'd love to resign him.

I'm kind of surprised how high everyone is on Young. I guess that just goes to show you the power of being drafted high and how opinions stick.

Loved the trade initially but I've been a little underwhelmed with his overall performance. He's not playing a real high level of snaps, I think around 50%ish so I don't think he's the main reason for our defensive turn around. It's clearly been getting Oliver out of the starting line up and Thomas playing at a very solid level.

I love Young's potential but need to see quite a bit more before talks of resigning him. The BA vs Young debate on who to resign is not even somewhat close. Those guys are in different tiers. For me currently, Young seems like a solid player but not this stud that people are making him out to be.

Hopefully some of this potential he has starts to shine at the end of the season and in the playoffs.

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I'm kind of surprised how high everyone is on Young. I guess that just goes to show you the power of being drafted high and how opinions stick.

Loved the trade initially but I've been a little underwhelmed with his overall performance. He's not playing a real high level of snaps, I think around 50%ish so I don't think he's the main reason for our defensive turn around. It's clearly been getting Oliver out of the starting line up and Thomas playing at a very solid level.

I love Young's potential but need to see quite a bit more before talks of resigning him. The BA vs Young debate on who to resign is not even somewhat close. Those guys are in different tiers. For me currently, Young seems like a solid player but not this stud that people are making him out to be.

Hopefully some of this potential he has starts to shine at the end of the season and in the playoffs.

I don't think he has set the world on fire but in split snaps last week, he was the direct cause of an int (screamed around the edge & hot the ball/locks arm on the warner pick, causing the ball to float).

Maybe Young is playing the team game the last few weeks, like Bosa being discipline as a Dline unit, and not looking for sexy sacks.

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by 49erF90:
Chase's roof is higher than those 3 and he's a lot better than Sweat I think.

Sweat is clearly the better player now which is why he went for a lot more draft capital than Young.

Sweat is also an absolute athletic freak. His ceiling is as high as anyone's

You sure you aren't thinking about the other Sweat?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
You sure you aren't thinking about the other Sweat?

think we're talking Montez Sweat, no?

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I'm kind of surprised how high everyone is on Young. I guess that just goes to show you the power of being drafted high and how opinions stick.

Loved the trade initially but I've been a little underwhelmed with his overall performance. He's not playing a real high level of snaps, I think around 50%ish so I don't think he's the main reason for our defensive turn around. It's clearly been getting Oliver out of the starting line up and Thomas playing at a very solid level.

I love Young's potential but need to see quite a bit more before talks of resigning him. The BA vs Young debate on who to resign is not even somewhat close. Those guys are in different tiers. For me currently, Young seems like a solid player but not this stud that people are making him out to be.

Hopefully some of this potential he has starts to shine at the end of the season and in the playoffs.

Yeah I like him he's a solid upgrade for the position. But people saying to pay him over BA if we had to choose are out of their minds

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I'm kind of surprised how high everyone is on Young. I guess that just goes to show you the power of being drafted high and how opinions stick.

Loved the trade initially but I've been a little underwhelmed with his overall performance. He's not playing a real high level of snaps, I think around 50%ish so I don't think he's the main reason for our defensive turn around. It's clearly been getting Oliver out of the starting line up and Thomas playing at a very solid level.

I love Young's potential but need to see quite a bit more before talks of resigning him. The BA vs Young debate on who to resign is not even somewhat close. Those guys are in different tiers. For me currently, Young seems like a solid player but not this stud that people are making him out to be.

Hopefully some of this potential he has starts to shine at the end of the season and in the playoffs.

There's a lot of truth to this. The dude has unquestionably been a upgrade for the DL, so let's not downplay that. He's brought more juice to the pass rush and sets a harder edge than anyone not named Bosa. But if we're being honest, we were starving for anyone with a pulse opposite Bosa. Kerry Hyder is old and wasn't giving us much; Drake Jackson is f**king terrible. Maybe he'll turn into something in the future(I doubt it), but he's an easy assignment for any NFL tackle. The most intriguing aspect of Chase to me is that the physical talent jumps off the screen. You can see it on the field when he makes contact. The idea of him sticking around under Kocurek to refine his pass rush technique is very tantalizing, and I would love to see it happen.

John Lynch deserves a lot of credit for being able to go from Kerry Hyder and Drake Jackson to Gregory and Chase Young midseason.

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
You sure you aren't thinking about the other Sweat?

think we're talking Montez Sweat, no?

Yeah, was just curious what makes him a superior player and athlete to young

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Yeah, was just curious what makes him a superior player and athlete to young

Well as far being an athlete, he's 6'6 260 and ran an official combine 4.41. He's an absolute freak of nature.
https://ras.football/2020/01/12/montez-sweat-ras/

I don't really know what to say about him being a superior player except that he's just... better? More disciplined (not an issue on SF), more consistent at getting pressure, getting into the backfield, getting more sacks.

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Sign him long term to a fair deal. If the leg will hold up. Not a break the bank deal. Because of the medical. But this team is unreal with both of them.

I would do an incentive based deal right now if the offseason were today, I still think on the open market he'll command somewhere what Montez Sweat got, $24.5M a year, I'm fine paying him that, now that Gregory's deal voids, we need to keep Chase IMO.

I'd love to keep him, but not at $24.5mil/yr. He's a good possibly great player, but that's more than Hargrave signed for. We'd have $100mil/yr just on the defensive line. We'll see how the season finishes, but while he's been very solid and a clear upgrade, he's not blowing me away with his play. Bosa had more sacks last season than Young has in his career.

I wouldnt sign him in 2024. Worry about Greenlaw, BA and Purdy, which would be 2025.

nahhhhh... Greenlaw can walk... in fact we need to invest on some LBs in next year's draft.. ones that can takeover in a year or two..

CHASE gots to be signed.,.., he was often injured AT Washington ..... but that was there.. it MAY be different here..,.and for those who's been following sports for a long time, you just know when a guy has that IT !!

WOOOOOOOOOOOO !! GO NINERSSSSS !!!

Huh, Dre is a must keep with Mooney next year.

Yep. IMO Dre and Mooney are the best non-rookie contract value guys on the team. Dre for $8.5mil./yr is a steal.

Plus with his age, Greenlaw should be part of the future core group. At least for the next 3 years. Also, Greenlaw's intangibles like his character- humble off the field but a freaking lion on the field is hard to find. Between Warner and Greenlaw, I think it's Greenlaw who is closer to Patrick Willis but I said this without taking away anything from Warner. Warner is just a different kind of warrior, he's like the "Ultimate Warrior".

IT'S really Football 101... DE over ILB anytime..

Originally posted by All22:
Chase Young has Dee Ford vibes.

Washington didn't pick up his fifth year option and traded him for peanuts despite already having 5 sacks this year.

Teams don't do that with productive edge rushers

Washington had to decide on the 5th year option, before the season started and before they were able to gauge where he was at. So long before those 5 sacks. They were faced with the possibility of his walking at the end of the season, and getting absolutely nothing for him - or making the trade now and at least getting something.

Also, literally this SAME team traded another productive pass rusher like 2 hours before they traded Chase...