John Elway is the most OVERRATED quarterback of all time

Originally posted by Jcool:
You can argue Steve Young was a better QB prospect then Elway.

No you can't. Elway is universally regarded as the greatest QB prospect coming out of college. All 'generational talent' types are compared to him.

Originally posted by Jcool:
You can argue Steve Young was a better QB prospect then Elway.

maybe on a 49er forum

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
You can argue Steve Young was a better QB prospect then Elway.

No you can't. Elway is universally regarded as the greatest QB prospect coming out of college. All 'generational talent' types are compared to him.

Most people weren't alive or watched football back then so they don't get this.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Most people weren't alive or watched football back then so they don't get this.

go back to tiktok

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
You can argue Steve Young was a better QB prospect then Elway.

No you can't. Elway is universally regarded as the greatest QB prospect coming out of college. All 'generational talent' types are compared to him.

Most people weren't alive or watched football back then so they don't get this.

I was and I get the idea that he was regarded as one of if not the best prospect coming out of college. In fact, I believe that is part of the reason why people believe he was as great as the incorrectly believe he was. He had this reputation of being elite and a winner coming out of college, and that never left him in spite of his play.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I was and I get the idea that he was regarded as one of if not the best prospect coming out of college. In fact, I believe that is part of the reason why people believe he was as great as the incorrectly believe he was. He had this reputation of being elite and a winner coming out of college, and that never left him in spite of his play.

People who believe he was great look beyond the set of basic statistics that you are using to judge him. They actually look at how he played the position, which is really not revealed through completion percentage, passer rating, tds and yards. What you are offering is more of a measurement of team passing results.

Arguments with support like this are how you get inaccurate takes on the position. Examples we've seen here like Jimmy G is a top 10 or even top 5 QB, Trey Lance played well against Houston, Alex Smith is a good QB, Brock Purdy is a top 3-5 QB in the NFL… etc. There's a reason scouting departments and GMs/coaching staff deprioritize numbers like this and review film.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I was and I get the idea that he was regarded as one of if not the best prospect coming out of college. In fact, I believe that is part of the reason why people believe he was as great as the incorrectly believe he was. He had this reputation of being elite and a winner coming out of college, and that never left him in spite of his play.

People who believe he was great look beyond the set of basic statistics that you are using to judge him. They actually look at how he played the position, which is really not revealed through completion percentage, passer rating, tds and yards. What you are offering is more of a measurement of team passing results.

People believed he was great before he even took a snap, which was the point of the post you are replying to.

Its almost as if you are completely proving my point here. People/you believe he was great but basically have to ignore every statistical measure to come to that opinion. People who call him one of the best ever back up that belief with adjectives, narratives and reputation. Whereas I think he is overrated, and will present tons of statistical reasons as to why I believe that.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People believed he was great before he even took a snap, which was the point of the post you are replying to.

Its almost as if you are completely proving my point here. People/you believe he was great but basically have to ignore every statistical measure to come to that opinion. People who call him one of the best ever back up that belief with adjectives, narratives and reputation. Whereas I think he is overrated, and will present tons of statistical reasons as to why I believe that.

You aren't presenting a case that hasn't been presented a million times by casual fans and media types that cater to them. It's not a serious analysis. Real analysis involves film work. The vast majority of fans don't have the time to do it.

Even using your basic boxscore stats you can see the clear difference when he was put into a West Coast offense with a legitimate running threat past the prime of his career. He didn't suddenly become a better player. The situation around him improved and his job became easier.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People believed he was great before he even took a snap, which was the point of the post you are replying to.

Its almost as if you are completely proving my point here. People/you believe he was great but basically have to ignore every statistical measure to come to that opinion. People who call him one of the best ever back up that belief with adjectives, narratives and reputation. Whereas I think he is overrated, and will present tons of statistical reasons as to why I believe that.

You aren't presenting a case that hasn't been presented a million times by casual fans and media types that cater to them. It's not a serious analysis. Real analysis involves film work. The vast majority of fans don't have the time to do it.

Even using your basic boxscore stats you can see the clear difference when he was put into a West Coast offense with a legitimate running threat past the prime of his career. He didn't suddenly become a better player. The situation around him improved and his job became easier.

This. The bottom line is Elway was a damn good QB who got the best out of some average teams and won back to back titles when he had a great RB and talent around him. There is so much more than just looking at stats

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Most people weren't alive or watched football back then so they don't get this.

go back to tiktok

Huh? What a weird kid you are.

Elway is definitely top 10 All time. He did not have the offensive supporting cast of Montana, you can say the same about Marino. The first half of his career Elway had Sammy Winder as his running back.Montana only had a couple years of a poor running game behind him. Then he had Wendell Tyler and Roger Craig.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
You can argue Steve Young was a better QB prospect then Elway.

No you can't. Elway is universally regarded as the greatest QB prospect coming out of college. All 'generational talent' types are compared to him.

Most people weren't alive or watched football back then so they don't get this.

I was and I get the idea that he was regarded as one of if not the best prospect coming out of college. In fact, I believe that is part of the reason why people believe he was as great as the incorrectly believe he was. He had this reputation of being elite and a winner coming out of college, and that never left him in spite of his play.

There are plenty of quarterbacks that look better in the box score than on the field and vice versa. Kirk Cousins is the current shining example of a guy who looks a lot better on paper than in person.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
You can argue Steve Young was a better QB prospect then Elway.

No you can't. Elway is universally regarded as the greatest QB prospect coming out of college. All 'generational talent' types are compared to him.

Why not? Steve Young was a 6'2", 215lbs QB who could run a 4.4 40 and throw accurately 60 yards. He passed for 3902 yards and 33 TDs while completing 70% of his passes. He also ran for over 400 yards and 8 TDs as a senior at BYU. Was going to be the #1 overall pick in the NFL but spurned them to sign with the USFL for 40 million. People seem to forget how good he was because he was seen as a bust to start his pro career.

Originally posted by BobS:
There are plenty of quarterbacks that look better in the box score than on the field and vice versa. Kirk Cousins is the current shining example of a guy who looks a lot better on paper than in person.

I get that. Very well aware. But how many quarterbacks....hell, how many players in sports history can you say are top 10 of all time but the stats aren't even close to reflecting that?

I mean seriously. I get that stats don't always tell the story. But if you want to make the claim that Elway is top 10 of all time, why don't the numbers come close to supporting that? Every single player that is widely considered top 10 player in every single sport can use stats to backup his case. But for some reason, people are willing to dismiss statistics entirely with Elway. Makes no sense to me.