And the Anti-Heitmann Crowd Suddenly Went Silent

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
You know what I have had it up to here with you arrogant ass attitude Maddog. You know what you are even more arrogant than me and football is my job! I deal with it everyday and actually understand it. You know what?? EVERY time I have ever asked you a real high level technically question you have been unable to answer. You know what you read things on the internet and then repost it here as your "gospel" you, "talk to scouts" and use generics terms when talking about players but you know what you never bring up any high level technical information.
I may not be able to write post as articulate as you but you never argue any threads with me when I am talking high level schemes or technique. The fact is "DOG" that you are a high school teacher. The FACT is, that you obviously spend a lot of time reading about football on the internet but let me ask you, do you even coach football at the high school level? No, I already checked, referring back to the name given by Matt in his article. I asked scouts and coaches alike and known knew you. Fact is, that in no way are you involved in the higher level of football. If you are the talent evaluator that you claim to be, then you would be making more money than me, as a head talent scout at either a huge college or a pro team. Yet you stay making nothing as a high school teacher....hmmmm....FACT is if you had all the knowledge you claim to have, you would be able to be my boss easily but you aren't and you don't have that knowledge. Get real, you are a guy who knows how to use the internet to get more info than most about football but in now way are you a talent evaluator or a scout.
What you are is a guy who has gotten way to big for even me to take, and I am known for my arrogance. The difference is when people ask, I am more than willing to talk in depth about scheme and be really cool about it. I will not make a post about how stupid all the other "experts" are. You need to realize who you are, and where you are at in life and put yourself back in check.

Ouch. My butt hurts and that was not even directed at me.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Captain Heitmann

An article stating that Eric Heitmann has been named as a team captain. No praise from anyone.

Evidence of league-wide recognition for Heitmann=

Quote:
Review of Cards Game

Kevin Lynch, a SF writer, saying "Center Eric Heitmann shifted the line adroitly and no one broke into the backfield untouched (except once but in that case it was up to O'Sullivan to get rid of the ball and he did). Heitmann also did a fine job stopping the pressure up the middle. All the heat came from outside."

Evidence of league-wide recognition for Heitmann= Minimal. It is a review of one game (Arizona, Week 1). No opinion of him overall as a player, just evaluation that he played well in Week 1.

Quote:
Preseason Analysis

Another article written by a SF writer, Craig Massei. Here is what he says about Heitmann:

"With new opening-day starters at every position except center - which is capably manned by veteran Eric Heitmann, who is playing the best football of his career as the season begins..."

"...A solid center in Eric Heitmann."

The first statement is relative to Heitmann's own performance, and not a statement on how he is regarded league-wide. It would be a definite stretch of the imagination to say that saying that Heitmann was "solid" is a glowing endorsement along the lines of him being one of the best interior linemen in the NFC.

Evidence of league-wide recognition for Heitmann= Minimal Sorry, a local writer calling him "solid" doesn't make a compelling case.

Barrows' Analysis of Heitmann

"A year ago at this time, Heitmann had made a Herculean effort to return to the field following a broken leg late in the 2006 season. Largely because of that effort, he won the team's Bobb McKittrick award (voted on by the offensive line) as well as the Ed Block Courage award. Heitmann, however, wasn't himself early in the season, and he and the rest of the interior of the offensive line struggled mightily. (Search: Smith, Alex + Bernard, Rocky). Heitmann's play improved by the end of the season, and so far this summer he and Jennings have been the most impressive linemen. It's a good time to be playing well; Heitmann is in the final year of his contract. Last year, only one starting center was paid less. Heitmann should be rewarded. The question is whether the 49ers or one of the 31 other teams in the league will do the rewarding."

Evidence of league-wide recognition for Heitmann?= You tell me.

Quote:
CC Times Scouting Report

"Center Eric Heitmann is playing at his highest level since breaking a leg late in 2006"

Evidence of league-wide recognition for Heitmann?=Yikes, not even close.

NYT NFL Contributor

"Only center Eric Heitmann returns to the same position after starting all 16 games last year, as he played well last year after returning from a broken leg suffered late in the 2006 season"

Evidence of league-wide recognition= The best so far, although even MadDog describes Heitmann as "playing well at the end of the season" last year. Their opinion of his 2007 season as a whole seems to be in the minority. But at least it's from the NY Times.

Quote:
"Best Center in the NFC West"-ESPN

"No member of the team wears No. 7 on his jersey, but center Eric Heitmann qualifies as the best seventh-round draft choice on the roster -- and in the division. He has 82 starts over the past six seasons and there isn't a better center in the NFC West."

Evidence of league-wide recognition for Heitmann?= Somewhat. Once again, at least it's a national publication. However, I'm not sure that many people on this board, including the ones who are lukewarm about him, believe that he isn't better than Lyle Sendlein, Chris Spencer, & Nick Leckey. Saying that Heitmann is the "best Center in the NFC West" isn't exactly effusive praise.

Quote:
How is this for a start?

Fairly unconvincing.

No the anti-Heitman crowd is still going strong......


Just because some anouncer dudes are all over his nuts doesn't change my opinion. I trust what my eyes are telling me. My eyes are telling me that evertime the ball is snapped I see Heitman getting pushed back and psed back time and time again. I see Gore run up the middle and see no holes whatsoever to run through. All the yards Gore got up the middle were his will. I see Third and Inches from the Goal line and not one lineman can get over the goalline to help spring Gore and he looses yards. Time and time again, scrubby defense or no.

By contrast I seethe Dallas game and am amazed at the holes Marion barber has to run through. Against a pretty fricken good Packers D no less.

Just because some anouncer justifies your opinion you come on here guns blazing and calling out everyone.

I'm sooooo glad you aren't my history teacher.....it would get old real fast.

Originally posted by dmatt:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by dmbgeek87:
He wasn't good last year, part recovery of his injury, and part scheme.

The criticism of Heitmann is warranted.

You can act high and mighty bout defending Heitmann but tell me this:

if he is, in fact, good, then why haven't the 49ers signed him to an extension while drafting a player in the 4th round to potentially replace him?

You obviously do not read. Please do a ten second internet search. I'm begging you. Read what the people around the NFL have to say. He was injured early last season, but he played a lot better at the end of the season. He is considered one of the best interior linemen in the NFC. Once again, please feel free to search what the pros have to say.

I will add that the team thinks so lowly of Heitmann that they made him....one of the four captains on the team. Yeah, he stinks.

Heitmann broke his leg in 2006, and also is scheduled for free agency. Free means free, which means he is not obligated to return.

Finally, name all of the high priced interior linemen that Nolan has kept on the team. I count.....none. The Niners don't spend their money that way.

link?

Captain Heitmann

Review of Cards Game

Preseason Analysis

Barrows' Analysis of Heitmann

CC Times Scouting Report

NYT NFL Contributor

"Best Center in the NFC West"-ESPN

How is this for a start?

ah, thank you. its nice to see assertions proven.

again, i like heitmann. nothing against him. he was crap half of last year and he's having a great beginning to this year. kudos to....Heitmann.

How do internet links prove anything. It is just a link to more opinion, just someone else's.

i was just looking for proof that someone has ever said that heitmann is one of the best centers in the NFC, which was found in that last one...of course, that was merely saying he is one of the best centers in the NFC West...so...i guess i'm the idiot here. oops.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by 49ers:
I agree with dmbgeek87...

regardless MD, sometimes you need a dose of your own advice: I call to the stand Ashley Lelie. EOS.

I do remember the huge impact Lelie was going to have on our squad this year. And, people called me a party pooper.

You completely missed my point... recall... I was the ring leader of Team Lelie ;) and we argued about whether he was really a number 6 (or 5) and you said he must be since he was that on our depth chart...

...so my point is that he seems to be doing just fine on another team as a starter.

(- Team Lelie!)

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by dmatt:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by dmbgeek87:
He wasn't good last year, part recovery of his injury, and part scheme.

The criticism of Heitmann is warranted.

You can act high and mighty bout defending Heitmann but tell me this:

if he is, in fact, good, then why haven't the 49ers signed him to an extension while drafting a player in the 4th round to potentially replace him?

You obviously do not read. Please do a ten second internet search. I'm begging you. Read what the people around the NFL have to say. He was injured early last season, but he played a lot better at the end of the season. He is considered one of the best interior linemen in the NFC. Once again, please feel free to search what the pros have to say.

I will add that the team thinks so lowly of Heitmann that they made him....one of the four captains on the team. Yeah, he stinks.

Heitmann broke his leg in 2006, and also is scheduled for free agency. Free means free, which means he is not obligated to return.

Finally, name all of the high priced interior linemen that Nolan has kept on the team. I count.....none. The Niners don't spend their money that way.

link?

Captain Heitmann

Review of Cards Game

Preseason Analysis

Barrows' Analysis of Heitmann

CC Times Scouting Report

NYT NFL Contributor

"Best Center in the NFC West"-ESPN

How is this for a start?

ah, thank you. its nice to see assertions proven.

again, i like heitmann. nothing against him. he was crap half of last year and he's having a great beginning to this year. kudos to....Heitmann.

How do internet links prove anything. It is just a link to more opinion, just someone else's.

i was just looking for proof that someone has ever said that heitmann is one of the best centers in the NFC, which was found in that last one...of course, that was merely saying he is one of the best centers in the NFC West...so...i guess i'm the idiot here. oops.

Volume doesn't equate to substance....unless people don't actually open the links.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on Sep 22, 2008 at 21:32:00 ]

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by dmatt:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by dmbgeek87:
He wasn't good last year, part recovery of his injury, and part scheme.

The criticism of Heitmann is warranted.

You can act high and mighty bout defending Heitmann but tell me this:

if he is, in fact, good, then why haven't the 49ers signed him to an extension while drafting a player in the 4th round to potentially replace him?

You obviously do not read. Please do a ten second internet search. I'm begging you. Read what the people around the NFL have to say. He was injured early last season, but he played a lot better at the end of the season. He is considered one of the best interior linemen in the NFC. Once again, please feel free to search what the pros have to say.

I will add that the team thinks so lowly of Heitmann that they made him....one of the four captains on the team. Yeah, he stinks.

Heitmann broke his leg in 2006, and also is scheduled for free agency. Free means free, which means he is not obligated to return.

Finally, name all of the high priced interior linemen that Nolan has kept on the team. I count.....none. The Niners don't spend their money that way.

link?

Captain Heitmann

Review of Cards Game

Preseason Analysis

Barrows' Analysis of Heitmann

CC Times Scouting Report

NYT NFL Contributor

"Best Center in the NFC West"-ESPN

How is this for a start?

ah, thank you. its nice to see assertions proven.

again, i like heitmann. nothing against him. he was crap half of last year and he's having a great beginning to this year. kudos to....Heitmann.

How do internet links prove anything. It is just a link to more opinion, just someone else's.

i was just looking for proof that someone has ever said that heitmann is one of the best centers in the NFC, which was found in that last one...of course, that was merely saying he is one of the best centers in the NFC West...so...i guess i'm the idiot here. oops.

Volume doesn't equate to substance....unless people don't actually open the links.

ha! no, i opened the links, i just didn't read them very carefully, as you did. again, i was just looking for one specific thing, a quote on his place in the NFC...but as you pointed out the only article linked that mentions Heitmann relative to other players places him as the best in the NFC West...which, as you said, is dandy, but not all that impressive.

i owned up to being hasty...

I'm just busting your balls, HD.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'm just busting your balls, HD.

i know, and i'm just trying to show maddog that a bit of friendly back and forth and humility makes the board a lot more fun than banging your fist on the table and glancing smugly around the room to see who will suck your balls.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'm just busting your balls, HD.

i know, and i'm just trying to show maddog that a bit of friendly back and forth and humility makes the board a lot more fun than banging your fist on the table and glancing smugly around the room to see who will suck your balls.

I beg to differ. Forcing your opponent into humiliating ball-suckage is way more fun.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'm just busting your balls, HD.

i know, and i'm just trying to show maddog that a bit of friendly back and forth and humility makes the board a lot more fun than banging your fist on the table and glancing smugly around the room to see who will suck your balls.

Well said.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'm just busting your balls, HD.

i know, and i'm just trying to show maddog that a bit of friendly back and forth and humility makes the board a lot more fun than banging your fist on the table and glancing smugly around the room to see who will suck your balls.

I beg to differ. Forcing your opponent into humiliating ball-suckage is way more fun.

I will bury you!!!!!

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'm just busting your balls, HD.

i know, and i'm just trying to show maddog that a bit of friendly back and forth and humility makes the board a lot more fun than banging your fist on the table and glancing smugly around the room to see who will suck your balls.

I beg to differ. Forcing your opponent into humiliating ball-suckage is way more fun.

I will bury you!!!!!

LMAO

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'm just busting your balls, HD.

i know, and i'm just trying to show maddog that a bit of friendly back and forth and humility makes the board a lot more fun than banging your fist on the table and glancing smugly around the room to see who will suck your balls.

I beg to differ. Forcing your opponent into humiliating ball-suckage is way more fun.

I will bury you!!!!!

Mr. Dud, open the gates of NinerTalk. Mr. Dud, tear down this wall!

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'm just busting your balls, HD.

i know, and i'm just trying to show maddog that a bit of friendly back and forth and humility makes the board a lot more fun than banging your fist on the table and glancing smugly around the room to see who will suck your balls.

I beg to differ. Forcing your opponent into humiliating ball-suckage is way more fun.

I will bury you!!!!!

Mr. Dud, open the gates of NinerTalk. Mr. Dud, tear down this wall!

The survivors would envy the dead!





[ Edited by HessianDud on Sep 22, 2008 at 21:54:05 ]