Frank Gore Thread

If frank isn't a hall of famer I don't know what your looking for.

only thing the man is missing is a ring and that's because of the two choke jobs kaepernick and smith laid on us as quarterback.

Heart and soul of his team and performed when the stakes were highest. He can't control if his quarterback throws the check down repeatedly or to the other team. It's stupid because if he had just one Super Bowl we would be talking about first ballot not if he was worthy. I'm tired of the stupid takes. He may not be first ballot but this man is getting his gold jacket. His performance and professionalism are all well documented.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
I get seriously offended and enraged when anyone tries to say Frank isn't a HOFer. Like seriously pissed off.

Am I trippin?

It's a stupid take. Like the one below from Cohn's little buddy.

I'm going to get canceled, but no, imo, Frank Gore is not a HOFer. https://t.co/Bz8xGjkGQ7

— Vish Kumaran (@VishKumaran) April 4, 2022

I don't see how anyone can call themselves a niner fan, and honestly believe that Frank is not a HOF, after witnessing him carry some awful teams against loaded boxes. Unbelievable he managed to get 16,000 yards

I call myself a 49ers fan and I don't necessarily think he's a Hall of Famer, which isn't to say he probably won't get in at some point. He was a GREAT Niner and gets all the props in the world for that. And his durability after coming out of college with two ACL tears was pretty remarkable.

To his credit he hung around long enough to put up a lot of yards which will probably end up tipping the argument in his favor somewhere down the line. He was steady and reliable and always gave everything he had but he didn't really do anything that fundamentally changed the game or how the position was viewed.

Gale Sayers only played something like six years and didn't end up with anywhere near the yards that a lot of guys have now but he changed the way people thought about the RB position. Which is what a Hall of Famer should do. Now it seems like it is trending towards being the Hall of the Pretty Good and is more about filling up TV time then actually reserving the honor for the guys who really deserve it.

Of the 26 RBs currently in the HOF, how many do you believe belong and how many of them do you believe had better careers than Gore?

Don't know. Don't care. It's not a debate I have much interest in as the bar for getting into the Hall seems to get lower all of the time. I mean if someone like Eli Manning is legitimately being considered than it seems like just about anyone could get in. Like I said Gore was a GREAT Niner and that's good enough for me. I saw an article in the news feed that said Frank went to Five Pro Bowls and was voted to one of the all decade teams and that he had 12 seasons where he gained over 1000 yards. All nice stats that speak to his effort and durability. That being said, and I don't personally know the answers to these questions. How many years did he lead the league in rushing, I think maybe one, How many years did he lead the league in TDs for running backs? I'm not sure he ever did. In how many of his 16 years playing was he considered by anyone other than 49 fans the dominant player at his position, like Jim Brown, or Sayers or Sanders or Dickerson, or Tomlinson, or Payton, or Simpson, or even Franco Harris for that matter?

What was his career defining moment that is etched into the minds of football fans everywhere that is somehow emblematic of his career and his impact on the game? Where is his Immaculate Reception, or Sayer's six touchdown game, against the Niners I think. Where is his 2000 yard season or his 29 rushing TD's in a single year. What did he do as a player that changed the way we view the game or how the position was played? I can't really think of anything. He showed up day in and day out. He did his job. He rarely complained. He was respected by just about everyone who ever played with him. He was consummate pro. Does any of that make him a Hall of Famer? Like I said, I imagine his accumulation of yards, his durability and the respect he earned from his peers will eventually open that door for him, which is fine. Just not sure I see it is all.

Frank is first ballot HOF

His numbers speak to it as well as his professionalism and consistency in all phases of the game

He did it all during his career

Run inside outside short yardage housecalls screens ran WR routes blocked at elite level and had elite vision

His film is textbook on how to play the position. It's teaching material on what it takes to be a HOF RB

Then he did it for the stories SF 49ers franchise to boot

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Niners99:
I doesn't really matter if anyone thinks Gore isn't a HOFer, because he's getting in regardless. The question is whether it will be first ballot.

This

I don't he will get in first ballot. If great receivers like Chris Carter and Owens weren't first ballot, then Gore won't get in the first time.

But if I had a vote, of course he will be first ballot.

Some Hall of Famers are bright stars that have huge highs, then fade away quickly (Terrell Davis)

Some are consistent machines that perform year in and year out for extended periods (Gore)

The extreme unicorns have both huge highs and longevity (Dickerson)

Some fans only want those who did both in the Hall, but the truth is the Hall is filled with all three types.

A player doesn't get to the Top 3 yards all time at their position without being a Hall of Famer. That's just the reality.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Frank is first ballot HOF

His numbers speak to it as well as his professionalism and consistency in all phases of the game

He did it all during his career

Run inside outside short yardage housecalls screens ran WR routes blocked at elite level and had elite vision

His film is textbook on how to play the position. It's teaching material on what it takes to be a HOF RB

Then he did it for the stories SF 49ers franchise to boot

Okay, now that is an argument that makes sense to me. Part of my consummate professional take I guess. If the voters frame their discussions that way I could see him making the cut on the first ballot. Though I have no doubt he'll get in at some point.

Welcome home, Frank. Don't ever leave the 49ers again.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Niners99:
I doesn't really matter if anyone thinks Gore isn't a HOFer, because he's getting in regardless. The question is whether it will be first ballot.

This

I don't he will get in first ballot. If great receivers like Chris Carter and Owens weren't first ballot, then Gore won't get in the first time.

But if I had a vote, of course he will be first ballot.

FIRST BALLOT - he should be... I just don't think he will.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
I get seriously offended and enraged when anyone tries to say Frank isn't a HOFer. Like seriously pissed off.

Am I trippin?

It's a stupid take. Like the one below from Cohn's little buddy.

I'm going to get canceled, but no, imo, Frank Gore is not a HOFer. https://t.co/Bz8xGjkGQ7

— Vish Kumaran (@VishKumaran) April 4, 2022

I don't see how anyone can call themselves a niner fan, and honestly believe that Frank is not a HOF, after witnessing him carry some awful teams against loaded boxes. Unbelievable he managed to get 16,000 yards

I call myself a 49ers fan and I don't necessarily think he's a Hall of Famer, which isn't to say he probably won't get in at some point. He was a GREAT Niner and gets all the props in the world for that. And his durability after coming out of college with two ACL tears was pretty remarkable.

To his credit he hung around long enough to put up a lot of yards which will probably end up tipping the argument in his favor somewhere down the line. He was steady and reliable and always gave everything he had but he didn't really do anything that fundamentally changed the game or how the position was viewed.

Gale Sayers only played something like six years and didn't end up with anywhere near the yards that a lot of guys have now but he changed the way people thought about the RB position. Which is what a Hall of Famer should do. Now it seems like it is trending towards being the Hall of the Pretty Good and is more about filling up TV time then actually reserving the honor for the guys who really deserve it.

Good take.

But if the criteria is that one must change the game, Roger Craig would have been a first ballot HOF lock.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

No question first ballot HOF! #FTTB https://t.co/vrAWuIAJES

— Jonathan Gonzalez (@ImmortalKingKay) June 5, 2022

Simply ridiculous that Rice is still in that conversation and as the only WR. Dude was so far beyond his time.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
I get seriously offended and enraged when anyone tries to say Frank isn't a HOFer. Like seriously pissed off.

Am I trippin?

It's a stupid take. Like the one below from Cohn's little buddy.

I'm going to get canceled, but no, imo, Frank Gore is not a HOFer. https://t.co/Bz8xGjkGQ7

— Vish Kumaran (@VishKumaran) April 4, 2022

I don't see how anyone can call themselves a niner fan, and honestly believe that Frank is not a HOF, after witnessing him carry some awful teams against loaded boxes. Unbelievable he managed to get 16,000 yards

I call myself a 49ers fan and I don't necessarily think he's a Hall of Famer, which isn't to say he probably won't get in at some point. He was a GREAT Niner and gets all the props in the world for that. And his durability after coming out of college with two ACL tears was pretty remarkable.

To his credit he hung around long enough to put up a lot of yards which will probably end up tipping the argument in his favor somewhere down the line. He was steady and reliable and always gave everything he had but he didn't really do anything that fundamentally changed the game or how the position was viewed.

Gale Sayers only played something like six years and didn't end up with anywhere near the yards that a lot of guys have now but he changed the way people thought about the RB position. Which is what a Hall of Famer should do. Now it seems like it is trending towards being the Hall of the Pretty Good and is more about filling up TV time then actually reserving the honor for the guys who really deserve it.

Of the 26 RBs currently in the HOF, how many do you believe belong and how many of them do you believe had better careers than Gore?

Don't know. Don't care. It's not a debate I have much interest in as the bar for getting into the Hall seems to get lower all of the time. I mean if someone like Eli Manning is legitimately being considered than it seems like just about anyone could get in. Like I said Gore was a GREAT Niner and that's good enough for me. I saw an article in the news feed that said Frank went to Five Pro Bowls and was voted to one of the all decade teams and that he had 12 seasons where he gained over 1000 yards. All nice stats that speak to his effort and durability. That being said, and I don't personally know the answers to these questions. How many years did he lead the league in rushing, I think maybe one, How many years did he lead the league in TDs for running backs? I'm not sure he ever did. In how many of his 16 years playing was he considered by anyone other than 49 fans the dominant player at his position, like Jim Brown, or Sayers or Sanders or Dickerson, or Tomlinson, or Payton, or Simpson, or even Franco Harris for that matter?

What was his career defining moment that is etched into the minds of football fans everywhere that is somehow emblematic of his career and his impact on the game? Where is his Immaculate Reception, or Sayer's six touchdown game, against the Niners I think. Where is his 2000 yard season or his 29 rushing TD's in a single year. What did he do as a player that changed the way we view the game or how the position was played? I can't really think of anything. He showed up day in and day out. He did his job. He rarely complained. He was respected by just about everyone who ever played with him. He was consummate pro. Does any of that make him a Hall of Famer? Like I said, I imagine his accumulation of yards, his durability and the respect he earned from his peers will eventually open that door for him, which is fine. Just not sure I see it is all.

That's all fair. I just have a different criteria for what I think constitutes a HOF player. Single season accomplishments are important, but they're not the only thing that should matter. Gore's consistency and longevity is his legendary attribute. He has started more games and has more 1200 yard seasons than any other RB in history. Remarkably, he also faced a higher percentage of loaded 8-man fronts than any other RB since at least 2006 (according to PFF which only has data going back to then) and still has a YPA higher than half of the RBs currently in the hall. I do think the lack of first team All-Pros is a knock against him, but it should not be enough to keep him out.

I don't agree that the HOF has become too permissive, at least not in regards to RBs. If anything, it was too permissible in the past which has made it more difficult to justify excluding modern candidates who compare favorably to those already in the hall. RB stats have remained relatively stable for the last 50 years and don't have the same level of era-to-era inflation as other offensive stats. An average RB rushed for around the same amount of YPA and YPG in 1975 as they did in 2015, yet many of the RBs in the hall from 40-50 years don't statistically measure up to the top RBs from the last 15-20 years.

Hopefully, as analytics continue to improve the game and ML algorithms get better at determining the true value of individual players, the HOF will strip the vote from media members and let computers determine who should be admitted.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Good take.

But if the criteria is that one must change the game, Roger Craig would have been a first ballot HOF lock.

I'm not entirely sure that in some voter's minds Craig was maybe seen as a product of Walsh's 'genius'. A contributing member rather than a trailblazer. I also think that fumble on the goal line may have hurt him. It was such a high profile miscue. Guys like Sanders might get a pass because he spent his whole career being great on bad teams. Craig's fumble cost his team a shot at another Super Bowl. Perhaps there is a perception that HOF players show up when the stakes are highest. Could just be the whims of the voters though. Hard saying.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Niners99:
I doesn't really matter if anyone thinks Gore isn't a HOFer, because he's getting in regardless. The question is whether it will be first ballot.

This

I don't he will get in first ballot. If great receivers like Chris Carter and Owens weren't first ballot, then Gore won't get in the first time.

But if I had a vote, of course he will be first ballot.

Owens got snubbed because the voters hated him. Nobody hates Gore. You cant argue with 16,000 yards.

Frank Gore, for Assistant RB coach when Bobby Turner retires!