How do you teach "tough minded football" ?

Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:


If I had a nickel for every thread I've seen get locked because of these two....and the OP actually had an original thought. Tisk tisk...

Uh, according to what I see, there are a few more than "these two" discussing the current topic and nobody is doing anything wrong. Besides, when mods lock a thread do they personally inform you of the reason why? If so, how do I get on that list??

The original thought was discussed to conclusion and transitioned into another conversation that multiple members are interested in continuing yet you still seem to have a problem with it. Perhaps I should just start a new topic on the standards of fans. Would that be better?

Originally posted by Sabrason:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by singfan:

Originally posted by Sabrason:

Originally posted by singfan:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by Sabrason:

Originally posted by jsaniner:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Hey Jsaniner: you're absolutely correct. They're the same troll.

Well, thanks for mentioning me, but to be accurate, I never said they were the same person and I don't believe they are. As for being trolls, who knows, but I doubt it.

What they do have in common is the belief Singletary is just an extension of Nolan, which I strongly disagree with. Singletary has shown the willingness to change tactics on offense and defense and I think the team will respond to his more forceful and demanding personality. They say because he coached under Nolan he is just a clone, but that does not necessarily follow. Each coach has his own way of doing things that are not revealed until he assumes control.

The test will come this season. Singfan is on record as saying he expects a 4-12 season and 7-9 would be a miracle. I would like to go on record by predicting 10-6. The dispute will be settled on the field of battle, on the turf of Candlestick and eight other fields across America, as it should be.

I consider a 10-6 record the bare minimum that MS has to accomplish for me to consider stating that I was wrong about him. After all, if he's the motivational wizard you supporters claim he is and since he managed to get a 7-9 record in 9 games as interim HC, then 3 more wins as full-time HC over an entire season is a very reasonable expectation. Anything less and I'll call Holmgren (or Shanny) myself. Get the contract ready, Jed!!

PS: Amazing that I've been a member of this forum FAAAARR longer than any of you yet I'm routinely called a "troll." Some nerve.

So at 10-6 you'd merely "consider" stating you were wrong about Singletary? Sounds about right.

At any rate, regardless of what fans are screaming for, I think he's more than safe at anything north of 7-9.

This is what we have come to embrace. With all the available coaches out there, we think 7-9 is perfectly acceptable and worth another year.

Exactly, and it makes me sick yet we're ridiculed for holding the team to a higher standard, expecting more and criticizing clearly inferior coaches who we believe can not deliver better??

We went from "SB or bust" to 7-9/8-8 earns a coach another year. Wow. Even if Jed and MS came out and said "SB or bust" and then the team proceeded to go 0-16 I'd have to at least admire their winning expectation and attitude. Instead, the "motivator" claims he has a playoff-caliber team in June when he doesn't even know who his starting qb is. Bravo MS -- Walsh would be proud.

It's bad enough that the dysfunctional ownership has accepted this mediocrity for years but to see so many fans here so matter-of-fact and ho-hum about it is very sad. I've mentioned the fallen expectations of a portion of the fan base and this is why.

Beautifully written. A complete and accurate description regarding the state of our franchise and the state of our fan base. A must read for all Noob's and Parking Lotters!

5 stars

~singfan

We should all stand in awe of your high standards and lofty expectations and recognize that we're all better Niner fans for being exposed to your greatness . . . yeah . . .

For the record, north of 7-9 means 8-8 or better.

I've been a Niner fan long enough to have a reference before and after the Superbowl runs of the 80's and 90's with which to compare. So I have, IMO, a very good idea of what championship caliber football looks and smells like.

It explains much if you're clinging to the standards set by Walsh. I hate to break it to you, but the Superbowl or bust mentality of the 80's and 90's which took 5 or 6 years to develop through consistent winning and playoff appearances is long gone.

That doesn't mean the franchise or the fan base have accepted mediocrity. It means that the expectation of success needs to be rebuilt from the bottom - up, again through consistent winning and playoff appearances. This team is young and building, and tangible improvement towards creating a new Superbowl or bust mentality should not be dismissed (or abandoned) simply because it wasn't enough of an improvement in the eyes of some or because the coach is a former Bear . . .

Anything north of 7-9 would be the best record here since 2002, so I'd be OK with 8-8, depending somewhat on how they reach that 8-8. If we show regression and luck into 8-8 I might have a different opinion. Tangible improvement is what I want to see.

See, that's a problem for me. The fact that you're "OK with 8-8" no matter how they get there does not help the cause and is an example of the fallen expectation I've mentioned previously. It serves no purpose.

If the dysfunctional ownership wants to be "OK with 8-8" or something close to that then so be it b/c we can't control what Jed considers to be "ok" but, as a fan, you have the ability to NEVER be "ok with 8-8" and therefore you shouldn't be.

Whoa . . . you went Tony Robbins on me . . .

As a fan I have the ability to be O.K. with 8-8 after six straight losing seasons. That's actually pretty easy.

But I'd like to know what part of my posts suggests I'd be O.K. with 8-8 every year? Who would? If we see clear signs of improvement this season, I'll expect the same for 2010, which means 9-10 wins and a playoff appearance.

SNF quote: We should all stand in awe of your high standards and lofty expectations and recognize that we're all better Niner fans for being exposed to your greatness . . . yeah . . .

Well, actually there's no need to be in awe and I require no accolades for my greatness (even though I am great). Every fan has a right to their own expectations but you might be better fans if you had the same high standards. It certainly wouldn't hurt.


SNF quote: For the record, north of 7-9 means 8-8 or better.

Right, so you'd be "ok with 8-8" and 8-8 means MS's job is "more than safe." Wow, that's some standard you've set there.


SNF quote: I hate to break it to you, but the Superbowl or bust mentality of the 80's and 90's which took 5 or 6 years to develop through consistent winning and playoff appearances is long gone.

I hate to break it to you, but the "SB or bust" mentality does not have to be nor should it be "gone" from ANY team especially the 49ers who made it famous nevermind the fact that's it been quite a bit longer than 5-6 years since the team has shown anything in the way of being good. It's gone alright but only b/c of the current dysfunctional ownership and a portion of the fan base that's "ok with 8-8" and thinks the HC's job is/should be "more than safe" with that kind of record.




SNF quote: Anything north of 7-9 would be the best record here since 2002, so I'd be OK with 8-8, depending somewhat on how they reach that 8-8. If we show regression and luck into 8-8 I might have a different opinion. Tangible improvement is what I want to see.


Funny, you'd be "ok with 8-8" simply because it would be the best record since 2002 and be a sign (barely) of tangible improvement. Not exactly a good reason to be "ok" with it but whatever.

Martz comes in and produces the best offense since 2003 yet, if I remember correctly, you and many other fans supported his firing despite the obvious "tangible improvement" we all witnessed. So, my next question for you is, in your mind when does "tangible improvement" allow a coach to keep his job and when doesn't it? As of now, it sounds like tangible improvement from MS is welcomed no matter how slight, but from Martz it is ignored in favor of focusing on less important minutia that's said to have justified his firing. Amazing how that works.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by Sabrason:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by singfan:

Originally posted by Sabrason:

Originally posted by singfan:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by Sabrason:

Originally posted by jsaniner:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Hey Jsaniner: you're absolutely correct. They're the same troll.

Well, thanks for mentioning me, but to be accurate, I never said they were the same person and I don't believe they are. As for being trolls, who knows, but I doubt it.

What they do have in common is the belief Singletary is just an extension of Nolan, which I strongly disagree with. Singletary has shown the willingness to change tactics on offense and defense and I think the team will respond to his more forceful and demanding personality. They say because he coached under Nolan he is just a clone, but that does not necessarily follow. Each coach has his own way of doing things that are not revealed until he assumes control.

The test will come this season. Singfan is on record as saying he expects a 4-12 season and 7-9 would be a miracle. I would like to go on record by predicting 10-6. The dispute will be settled on the field of battle, on the turf of Candlestick and eight other fields across America, as it should be.

I consider a 10-6 record the bare minimum that MS has to accomplish for me to consider stating that I was wrong about him. After all, if he's the motivational wizard you supporters claim he is and since he managed to get a 7-9 record in 9 games as interim HC, then 3 more wins as full-time HC over an entire season is a very reasonable expectation. Anything less and I'll call Holmgren (or Shanny) myself. Get the contract ready, Jed!!

PS: Amazing that I've been a member of this forum FAAAARR longer than any of you yet I'm routinely called a "troll." Some nerve.

So at 10-6 you'd merely "consider" stating you were wrong about Singletary? Sounds about right.

At any rate, regardless of what fans are screaming for, I think he's more than safe at anything north of 7-9.

This is what we have come to embrace. With all the available coaches out there, we think 7-9 is perfectly acceptable and worth another year.

Exactly, and it makes me sick yet we're ridiculed for holding the team to a higher standard, expecting more and criticizing clearly inferior coaches who we believe can not deliver better??

We went from "SB or bust" to 7-9/8-8 earns a coach another year. Wow. Even if Jed and MS came out and said "SB or bust" and then the team proceeded to go 0-16 I'd have to at least admire their winning expectation and attitude. Instead, the "motivator" claims he has a playoff-caliber team in June when he doesn't even know who his starting qb is. Bravo MS -- Walsh would be proud.

It's bad enough that the dysfunctional ownership has accepted this mediocrity for years but to see so many fans here so matter-of-fact and ho-hum about it is very sad. I've mentioned the fallen expectations of a portion of the fan base and this is why.

Beautifully written. A complete and accurate description regarding the state of our franchise and the state of our fan base. A must read for all Noob's and Parking Lotters!

5 stars

~singfan

We should all stand in awe of your high standards and lofty expectations and recognize that we're all better Niner fans for being exposed to your greatness . . . yeah . . .

For the record, north of 7-9 means 8-8 or better.

I've been a Niner fan long enough to have a reference before and after the Superbowl runs of the 80's and 90's with which to compare. So I have, IMO, a very good idea of what championship caliber football looks and smells like.

It explains much if you're clinging to the standards set by Walsh. I hate to break it to you, but the Superbowl or bust mentality of the 80's and 90's which took 5 or 6 years to develop through consistent winning and playoff appearances is long gone.

That doesn't mean the franchise or the fan base have accepted mediocrity. It means that the expectation of success needs to be rebuilt from the bottom - up, again through consistent winning and playoff appearances. This team is young and building, and tangible improvement towards creating a new Superbowl or bust mentality should not be dismissed (or abandoned) simply because it wasn't enough of an improvement in the eyes of some or because the coach is a former Bear . . .

Anything north of 7-9 would be the best record here since 2002, so I'd be OK with 8-8, depending somewhat on how they reach that 8-8. If we show regression and luck into 8-8 I might have a different opinion. Tangible improvement is what I want to see.

See, that's a problem for me. The fact that you're "OK with 8-8" no matter how they get there does not help the cause and is an example of the fallen expectation I've mentioned previously. It serves no purpose.

If the dysfunctional ownership wants to be "OK with 8-8" or something close to that then so be it b/c we can't control what Jed considers to be "ok" but, as a fan, you have the ability to NEVER be "ok with 8-8" and therefore you shouldn't be.

Whoa . . . you went Tony Robbins on me . . .





See how positive I am...and to think I've been called a "negative troll." So hurtful. Tony would not like that at all.

Originally posted by Sabrason:

Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:


If I had a nickel for every thread I've seen get locked because of these two....and the OP actually had an original thought. Tisk tisk...

Uh, according to what I see, there are a few more than "these two" discussing the current topic and nobody is doing anything wrong. Besides, when mods lock a thread do they personally inform you of the reason why? If so, how do I get on that list??

The original thought was discussed to conclusion and transitioned into another conversation that multiple members are interested in continuing yet you still seem to have a problem with it. Perhaps I should just start a new topic on the standards of fans. Would that be better?

Except for trolling? Don't you two ever get tired of finding new ways to push the same agenda in every thread? Have fun wasting your time.

Originally posted by Sabrason:
SNF quote: We should all stand in awe of your high standards and lofty expectations and recognize that we're all better Niner fans for being exposed to your greatness . . . yeah . . .

Well, actually there's no need to be in awe and I require no accolades for my greatness (even though I am great). Every fan has a right to their own expectations but you might be better fans if you had the same high standards. It certainly wouldn't hurt.


SNF quote: For the record, north of 7-9 means 8-8 or better.

Right, so you'd be "ok with 8-8" and 8-8 means MS's job is "more than safe." Wow, that's some standard you've set there.


SNF quote: I hate to break it to you, but the Superbowl or bust mentality of the 80's and 90's which took 5 or 6 years to develop through consistent winning and playoff appearances is long gone.

I hate to break it to you, but the "SB or bust" mentality does not have to be nor should it be "gone" from ANY team especially the 49ers who made it famous nevermind the fact that's it been quite a bit longer than 5-6 years since the team has shown anything in the way of being good. It's gone alright but only b/c of the current dysfunctional ownership and a portion of the fan base that's "ok with 8-8" and thinks the HC's job is/should be "more than safe" with that kind of record.




SNF quote: Anything north of 7-9 would be the best record here since 2002, so I'd be OK with 8-8, depending somewhat on how they reach that 8-8. If we show regression and luck into 8-8 I might have a different opinion. Tangible improvement is what I want to see.

Funny, you'd be "ok with 8-8" simply because it would be the best record since 2002 and be a sign (barely) of tangible improvement. Not exactly a good reason to be "ok" with it but whatever.

Martz comes in and produces the best offense since 2003 yet, if I remember correctly, you and many other fans supported his firing despite the obvious "tangible improvement" we all witnessed. So, my next question for you is, in your mind when does "tangible improvement" allow a coach to keep his job and when doesn't it? As of now, it sounds like tangible improvement from MS is welcomed no matter how slight, but from Martz it is ignored in favor of focusing on less important minutia that's said to have justified his firing. Amazing how that works.

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Through parsing my post you completely ignored the paragrapgh with the central point . . . nice work.

SNF Quote: That doesn't mean the franchise or the fan base have accepted mediocrity. It means that the expectation of success needs to be rebuilt from the bottom - up, again through consistent winning and playoff appearances. This team is young and building, and tangible improvement towards creating a new Superbowl or bust mentality should not be dismissed (or abandoned) simply because it wasn't enough of an improvement in the eyes of some or because the coach is a former Bear . . .

And again . . . what part of any of my posts suggests anyone should be happy with 8-8 every year?

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by Sabrason:
SNF quote: We should all stand in awe of your high standards and lofty expectations and recognize that we're all better Niner fans for being exposed to your greatness . . . yeah . . .

Well, actually there's no need to be in awe and I require no accolades for my greatness (even though I am great). Every fan has a right to their own expectations but you might be better fans if you had the same high standards. It certainly wouldn't hurt.


SNF quote: For the record, north of 7-9 means 8-8 or better.

Right, so you'd be "ok with 8-8" and 8-8 means MS's job is "more than safe." Wow, that's some standard you've set there.


SNF quote: I hate to break it to you, but the Superbowl or bust mentality of the 80's and 90's which took 5 or 6 years to develop through consistent winning and playoff appearances is long gone.

I hate to break it to you, but the "SB or bust" mentality does not have to be nor should it be "gone" from ANY team especially the 49ers who made it famous nevermind the fact that's it been quite a bit longer than 5-6 years since the team has shown anything in the way of being good. It's gone alright but only b/c of the current dysfunctional ownership and a portion of the fan base that's "ok with 8-8" and thinks the HC's job is/should be "more than safe" with that kind of record.




SNF quote: Anything north of 7-9 would be the best record here since 2002, so I'd be OK with 8-8, depending somewhat on how they reach that 8-8. If we show regression and luck into 8-8 I might have a different opinion. Tangible improvement is what I want to see.

Funny, you'd be "ok with 8-8" simply because it would be the best record since 2002 and be a sign (barely) of tangible improvement. Not exactly a good reason to be "ok" with it but whatever.

Martz comes in and produces the best offense since 2003 yet, if I remember correctly, you and many other fans supported his firing despite the obvious "tangible improvement" we all witnessed. So, my next question for you is, in your mind when does "tangible improvement" allow a coach to keep his job and when doesn't it? As of now, it sounds like tangible improvement from MS is welcomed no matter how slight, but from Martz it is ignored in favor of focusing on less important minutia that's said to have justified his firing. Amazing how that works.

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Through parsing my post you completely ignored the paragrapgh with the central point . . . nice work.

SNF Quote: That doesn't mean the franchise or the fan base have accepted mediocrity. It means that the expectation of success needs to be rebuilt from the bottom - up, again through consistent winning and playoff appearances. This team is young and building, and tangible improvement towards creating a new Superbowl or bust mentality should not be dismissed (or abandoned) simply because it wasn't enough of an improvement in the eyes of some or because the coach is a former Bear . . .

And again . . . what part of any of my posts suggests anyone should be happy with 8-8 every year?
But his lame brained argument only works if he picks only the parts of your post that he can put spin on,and leaves out the parts that put the brakes on his spin job.

Originally posted by singfan:
This is why they never, ever, should have given Sing 4yrs., and 10 million. Who in the hell thought that was appropriate? Two years and a club option for a third gives you a chance to get the hell out after one year when Sing proves he is nothing more than an interim. If the hiring wasn't ridiculous enough, the contract was even more ridiculous. Just another gift from Paraag.

Ultimately though, this is on Scot and his insecure self. He didn't want to bring in a a guy that would be a threat to him. Sing made perfect sense because he was a gift from the PR Gods and wouldn't be a threat to anybody but under achieving tight ends. Scot couldn't stand up to another big ego. He was a lip quivering water boy for Nolan. Imagine what he would be if a guy like Shanahan was around?

We have to begin fixing the franchise. It starts by showing Sing and McCloughan the door right now. There is no need to wait. Just another year wasted if we don't. Trust me, this move will save the 1000's of, " Keep Sing, they may be losers but they were tough" threads that will undoubtedly be on here by the end of December.

LMAO. What a post. Keep 'em coming.

-9fA

SNF quote: Through parsing my post you completely ignored the paragrapgh with the central point . . . nice work.

[i][u]SNF Quote: That doesn't mean the franchise or the fan base have accepted mediocrity. It means that the expectation of success needs to be rebuilt from the bottom - up, again through consistent winning and playoff appearances. This team is young and building, and tangible improvement towards creating a new Superbowl or bust mentality should not be dismissed (or abandoned) simply because it wasn't enough of an improvement in the eyes of some or because the coach is a former Bear . . . [/i][/u]

I apologize, please forgive me for ignoring your "central point" which I will now address. A fan's expectation of success does not need to be rebuilt unless it was damaged/diminished in the first place -- which it clearly has with you and many others here. Being "ok with 8-8" simply b/c it would be the best record since 2002 is an example of that.

However, other fans such as myself, Singfan, etc have personally expected the same high standards since the glory days despite the Yorks and team falling well short of that for the last 8-10 years. Our expectations WERE high, ARE high and therefore don't need any rebuilding. The expectation of fans is the one thing that can and should remain consistently high regardless of the ups and downs of the team.

Of course, the ownership's expectations of success are certainly in need of rebuilding since they have accepted mediocrity for far too long. I'm not sure it even requires a long drawn-out process of "rebuilding" --- you just instantly expect more and do whatever it takes to see those expectations realized. Unfortunately, I don't think the Yorks are capable of that as I see little in the way of them modeling the team after the successful Patriots franchise that was once talked about.


SNF quote: what part of any of my posts suggests anyone should be happy with 8-8 every year?

No part of your post suggested you're HAPPY with it, but you did say you were "ok" with it which, after the last decade of failure, no fan should be, IMO. For team expectations to increase i think it first needs to start with the ENTIRE fan base expecting more rather than being "ok" with 8-8 mediocrity simply b/c it would be better than any record they had since 2002. That is no reason at all. As Singfan mentioned, I can sense you changing your tune a little which his good.

Back to my previous question I notice you didn't answer: you want to see "tangible improvement" from MS even if it's only by one game from 7-9 to 8-8. Can't get any less tangible than that but ok. You'd be "ok" with that miniscule improvement enough to support MS and consider his job 'more than safe" with at least that record.

However, the more pronounced "tangible improvement" that you deem to be so important and that Martz orchestrated on offense last year went largely unrecognized and ignored in favor of focusing on isolated minutia that was cited as justification for what was truly an absurd and inappropriate firing. Do you think that was the correct thing to do. I know respected analysts like Jimmy Johnson didn't think so as he did not think Martz deserved to be canned.

I'm left wondering why Martz's faar more pronounced "tangible improvements" were ignored while MS's far less pronounced improvements were embraced and celebrated and will, in all liklihood, continue to be? It doesn't make any sense just as PA's siding with an unproven coaching nobody like MS over a former 49er coach and SB winner like Shanny and Holmgren doesn't. Since when do 49er fans turn on former coaches from the good years???

Between turning on those former 49er coaches and being ok with mediocrity, the state of the fan base (at least in here) has me a bit concerned.

It's so funny watching you spin your retarded wheels Sabrason, you know so little about football it is absolutely hilarious, keep it up....

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
It's so funny watching you spin your retarded wheels Sabrason, you know so little about football it is absolutely hilarious, keep it up....

Perhaps, but I know enough to know that Shanny is a far more qualified and accomplished HC than MS and I would never call him or any other former 49er coach and proven winner like him a "retread." At the very least, that term is extremely disrespectful to him and all he did for the niners. While I assume you're a loyal fan, that comment makes you sound more like a MS/Bear fan than a 49er fan, IMO. I noticed you didn't answer my original question to you regarding where your "retread" label ends when it comes to former 49er coaches --- interesting.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by Sabrason:
SNF quote: We should all stand in awe of your high standards and lofty expectations and recognize that we're all better Niner fans for being exposed to your greatness . . . yeah . . .

Well, actually there's no need to be in awe and I require no accolades for my greatness (even though I am great). Every fan has a right to their own expectations but you might be better fans if you had the same high standards. It certainly wouldn't hurt.


SNF quote: For the record, north of 7-9 means 8-8 or better.

Right, so you'd be "ok with 8-8" and 8-8 means MS's job is "more than safe." Wow, that's some standard you've set there.


SNF quote: I hate to break it to you, but the Superbowl or bust mentality of the 80's and 90's which took 5 or 6 years to develop through consistent winning and playoff appearances is long gone.

I hate to break it to you, but the "SB or bust" mentality does not have to be nor should it be "gone" from ANY team especially the 49ers who made it famous nevermind the fact that's it been quite a bit longer than 5-6 years since the team has shown anything in the way of being good. It's gone alright but only b/c of the current dysfunctional ownership and a portion of the fan base that's "ok with 8-8" and thinks the HC's job is/should be "more than safe" with that kind of record.




SNF quote: Anything north of 7-9 would be the best record here since 2002, so I'd be OK with 8-8, depending somewhat on how they reach that 8-8. If we show regression and luck into 8-8 I might have a different opinion. Tangible improvement is what I want to see.

Funny, you'd be "ok with 8-8" simply because it would be the best record since 2002 and be a sign (barely) of tangible improvement. Not exactly a good reason to be "ok" with it but whatever.

Martz comes in and produces the best offense since 2003 yet, if I remember correctly, you and many other fans supported his firing despite the obvious "tangible improvement" we all witnessed. So, my next question for you is, in your mind when does "tangible improvement" allow a coach to keep his job and when doesn't it? As of now, it sounds like tangible improvement from MS is welcomed no matter how slight, but from Martz it is ignored in favor of focusing on less important minutia that's said to have justified his firing. Amazing how that works.

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Through parsing my post you completely ignored the paragrapgh with the central point . . . nice work.

SNF Quote: That doesn't mean the franchise or the fan base have accepted mediocrity. It means that the expectation of success needs to be rebuilt from the bottom - up, again through consistent winning and playoff appearances. This team is young and building, and tangible improvement towards creating a new Superbowl or bust mentality should not be dismissed (or abandoned) simply because it wasn't enough of an improvement in the eyes of some or because the coach is a former Bear . . .

And again . . . what part of any of my posts suggests anyone should be happy with 8-8 every year?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:



Memphis quote: But his lame brained argument only works if he picks only the parts of your post that he can put spin on,and leaves out the parts that put the brakes on his spin job.

I assume this inciteful insult is a warnable offense.

Originally posted by Sabrason:

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
It's so funny watching you spin your retarded wheels Sabrason, you know so little about football it is absolutely hilarious, keep it up....

Perhaps, but I know enough to know that Shanny is a far more qualified and accomplished HC than MS and I would never call him or any other former 49er coach and proven winner like him a "retread." At the very least, that term is extremely disrespectful to him and all he did for the niners. While I assume you're a loyal fan, that comment makes you sound more like a MS/Bear fan than a 49er fan, IMO. I noticed you didn't answer my original question to you regarding where your "retread" label ends when it comes to former 49er coaches --- interesting.

great post, you really know what you are talking about

Are you a huge Jamie Dukes fan by any chance?

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by Sabrason:

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
It's so funny watching you spin your retarded wheels Sabrason, you know so little about football it is absolutely hilarious, keep it up....

Perhaps, but I know enough to know that Shanny is a far more qualified and accomplished HC than MS and I would never call him or any other former 49er coach and proven winner like him a "retread." At the very least, that term is extremely disrespectful to him and all he did for the niners. While I assume you're a loyal fan, that comment makes you sound more like a MS/Bear fan than a 49er fan, IMO. I noticed you didn't answer my original question to you regarding where your "retread" label ends when it comes to former 49er coaches --- interesting.

great post, you really know what you are talking about

Well King, I can't imagine any fan (of any team), team owner, NFL executive or player would disagree with that simple fact but if you would like to make the argument that MS is a more successful and accomplished coach than Shanny then I'm ready to be "educated." If not, then what about my post do you have a problem with?