Originally posted by lamontb: Only the fans care bout the Nolan thing, Him and the players could careless...
The Broncos players may not care, but the more Alex succeeds, the more Nolan looks like a failure at handling him. I want to see at least two TD's by Alex, and it would be awesome for one of them be a bomb.
Can I ask which part besides the part about handling Smith injury did Nolan mishandle Smith??
Sure you can ask...The biggest mistake was throwing him to the wolves on the s**tty team we had at the time.Rattay should have been taking the beating until Smith had a year or two to get used to the pro style,and we had a couple of drafts to shore up the offensive line and get some weapons to help a young QB succeed.Any kid coming from that kind of offense is not pro ready,it is just too big of an adjustment from that Urban Meyer offense.The OC thing was out of Nolans hands really so that is just the way of the game.Nolan was just not ready for the job he was given,that became obvious as time passed,if Smith ever succeeds in the NFL it will be more in spite of Nolan than because of him.
You guys wanna lay blame for Smith's rookie season, but correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Smith do well in his second season?? I could see if Smith looked horrible his second season and went 3-13, but Smith actually looked more confident. And like Peyton Manning told Smith after they played them at home, the best experience is playing experience.
And that's one of the top reason's why I didn't want to draft Smith first overall. Simply because of the offense he was coming from. But that in no way should be in the hands of Nolan, they saw potential of him becoming a star and they went with it. Can't blame Nolan for having confidence in his rookie QB.
This will probably be "the" preseason game. Usually you wait for the 49ers vs Raiders but I can care less about that game this year. I want to see the Broncos get BEAT DOWN!!
Originally posted by lamontb: Only the fans care bout the Nolan thing, Him and the players could careless...
The Broncos players may not care, but the more Alex succeeds, the more Nolan looks like a failure at handling him. I want to see at least two TD's by Alex, and it would be awesome for one of them be a bomb.
Can I ask which part besides the part about handling Smith injury did Nolan mishandle Smith??
Wow - really? You're a moderator, looking at the site all day and the only fault you saw in Nolan's handling of Smith is the injury?
1. Starting him as rookie on a horrible team.
2. Not hiring an OC that would stick around for more than 1 year.
3. Not firing the line coach after 2005 and making the 55+ sacks per year go away.
4. Not drafting OL or receivers in early rounds.
5. Generally not standing behind the QB the way most NFL coaches do. At some point that both he and Alex were on the hotseat, and he gladly pointed fingers at the then 22 yo QB.
Wow so just cause someone agrees with you, then my post gets no consideration?? Is it really hard around here to look at possibilities than just exaggerate the situation??
I didn't say your points were invalid. I just believe Nolan bears a huge chunk of responsibility for Alex's failure to play to his potential. That applies to the rest of the team as well. Jed and McCloughan came to that same conclusion and fired him for that reason.
Originally posted by lamontb: Only the fans care bout the Nolan thing, Him and the players could careless...
The Broncos players may not care, but the more Alex succeeds, the more Nolan looks like a failure at handling him. I want to see at least two TD's by Alex, and it would be awesome for one of them be a bomb.
Can I ask which part besides the part about handling Smith injury did Nolan mishandle Smith??
Wow - really? You're a moderator, looking at the site all day and the only fault you saw in Nolan's handling of Smith is the injury?
1. Starting him as rookie on a horrible team.
2. Not hiring an OC that would stick around for more than 1 year.
3. Not firing the line coach after 2005 and making the 55+ sacks per year go away.
4. Not drafting OL or receivers in early rounds.
5. Generally not standing behind the QB the way most NFL coaches do. At some point that both he and Alex were on the hotseat, and he gladly pointed fingers at the then 22 yo QB.
Wow so just cause someone agrees with you, then my post gets no consideration?? Is it really hard around here to look at possibilities than just exaggerate the situation??
I didn't say your points were invalid. I just believe Nolan bears a huge chunk of responsibility for Alex's failure to play to his potential. That applies to the rest of the team as well. Jed and McCloughan came to that same conclusion and fired him for that reason.
How do you know that?? Nolan was fired in the middle of the '08 season when Smith was on IR and had basically nothing to do with his firing at the time.
Originally posted by lamontb: Only the fans care bout the Nolan thing, Him and the players could careless...
The Broncos players may not care, but the more Alex succeeds, the more Nolan looks like a failure at handling him. I want to see at least two TD's by Alex, and it would be awesome for one of them be a bomb.
Can I ask which part besides the part about handling Smith injury did Nolan mishandle Smith??
Wow - really? You're a moderator, looking at the site all day and the only fault you saw in Nolan's handling of Smith is the injury?
1. Starting him as rookie on a horrible team.
2. Not hiring an OC that would stick around for more than 1 year.
3. Not firing the line coach after 2005 and making the 55+ sacks per year go away.
4. Not drafting OL or receivers in early rounds.
5. Generally not standing behind the QB the way most NFL coaches do. At some point that both he and Alex were on the hotseat, and he gladly pointed fingers at the then 22 yo QB.
1. David Carr, Peyton Manning, Tim Couch, Drew Bledsoe, Troy Aikman and so on, started on worst teams or started period, why shouldn't Smith ??
I think you just answered your own question there -- only Manning was ready to start at that point. Aikman survived and became a good QB in spite of starting too early, and the others, esp Couch and Carr, ruined their careers by starting too early.
But that's the thing, how do you know or not know who is ready to start as a rookie?? Playing him is the only way of finding out, after all if he was able to be the #2 QB going into the season, you would think he is able. But what about Drew Bledsoe, his team in '92 was coming off a 2-14 season, and was thrown into the fire in '93, 2,400 yards passing 15 TD's 15 INT's??
If you are the coach, it is your job to know who is ready to start as a rookie. The sad thing is the 49ers knew Smith wasn't readt -- they said he wasn't the most ready to start right away, Urban Meyer had said he would be "nonfunctional" until he got it, etc. It was Nolan's job to know if his big money #1 pick was ready to start. It was his job to groom him. Some guys like P Manning were ready to start right away, others aren't. Treating them like they are all the same is incredibly bad coaching. Nolan needed to find ways to help Alex succeed, and he definitely didn't do that. It showed that Nolan has one way and can only deal with one certain type of player. That is not a recipe for success as a coach.
Originally posted by lamontb: Only the fans care bout the Nolan thing, Him and the players could careless...
The Broncos players may not care, but the more Alex succeeds, the more Nolan looks like a failure at handling him. I want to see at least two TD's by Alex, and it would be awesome for one of them be a bomb.
Can I ask which part besides the part about handling Smith injury did Nolan mishandle Smith??
Wow - really? You're a moderator, looking at the site all day and the only fault you saw in Nolan's handling of Smith is the injury?
1. Starting him as rookie on a horrible team.
2. Not hiring an OC that would stick around for more than 1 year.
3. Not firing the line coach after 2005 and making the 55+ sacks per year go away.
4. Not drafting OL or receivers in early rounds.
5. Generally not standing behind the QB the way most NFL coaches do. At some point that both he and Alex were on the hotseat, and he gladly pointed fingers at the then 22 yo QB.
Wow so just cause someone agrees with you, then my post gets no consideration?? Is it really hard around here to look at possibilities than just exaggerate the situation??
I didn't say your points were invalid. I just believe Nolan bears a huge chunk of responsibility for Alex's failure to play to his potential. That applies to the rest of the team as well. Jed and McCloughan came to that same conclusion and fired him for that reason.
How do you know that?? Nolan was fired in the middle of the '08 season when Smith was on IR and had basically nothing to do with his firing at the time.
I think he's saying that they fired him for the"that applies to the rest of the team as well" part. Basically, they fired his ass because he sucked as a head coach.
Originally posted by lamontb: Only the fans care bout the Nolan thing, Him and the players could careless...
The Broncos players may not care, but the more Alex succeeds, the more Nolan looks like a failure at handling him. I want to see at least two TD's by Alex, and it would be awesome for one of them be a bomb.
Can I ask which part besides the part about handling Smith injury did Nolan mishandle Smith??
Maybe playing him in week 3 his rookie season.
With about enough talent to possibly compete in high school football.
Originally posted by lamontb: Only the fans care bout the Nolan thing, Him and the players could careless...
The Broncos players may not care, but the more Alex succeeds, the more Nolan looks like a failure at handling him. I want to see at least two TD's by Alex, and it would be awesome for one of them be a bomb.
Can I ask which part besides the part about handling Smith injury did Nolan mishandle Smith??
how about playing him when he has a dislocated shoulder in his throwing arm thats like asking a blind man to cross a freeway seriously im pretty sure he is the only HC in the history of the nfl to start a QB with a dislocation on their throwing arm
Originally posted by lamontb: Only the fans care bout the Nolan thing, Him and the players could careless...
The Broncos players may not care, but the more Alex succeeds, the more Nolan looks like a failure at handling him. I want to see at least two TD's by Alex, and it would be awesome for one of them be a bomb.
Can I ask which part besides the part about handling Smith injury did Nolan mishandle Smith??
Sure you can ask...The biggest mistake was throwing him to the wolves on the s**tty team we had at the time.Rattay should have been taking the beating until Smith had a year or two to get used to the pro style,and we had a couple of drafts to shore up the offensive line and get some weapons to help a young QB succeed.Any kid coming from that kind of offense is not pro ready,it is just too big of an adjustment from that Urban Meyer offense.The OC thing was out of Nolans hands really so that is just the way of the game.Nolan was just not ready for the job he was given,that became obvious as time passed,if Smith ever succeeds in the NFL it will be more in spite of Nolan than because of him.
You guys wanna lay blame for Smith's rookie season, but correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Smith do well in his second season?? I could see if Smith looked horrible his second season and went 3-13, but Smith actually looked more confident. And like Peyton Manning told Smith after they played them at home, the best experience is playing experience.
And that's one of the top reason's why I didn't want to draft Smith first overall. Simply because of the offense he was coming from. But that in no way should be in the hands of Nolan, they saw potential of him becoming a star and they went with it. Can't blame Nolan for having confidence in his rookie QB.
I don't blame him for having confidence in Smith,just for not having the sense to realize that his team was not good enough to hep the young kid succeed.Sure if your rookie qb is on a team with some weapons it can work out,but there was no way that Smith was gonna do well with the absolute lack of talent on the team at the time.Going into that draft I thought Smith was the best choice IF we took a QB.Unfortunately for us,the draft was weak from top to bottom that year.I think Smith should have sat the first year and studied the offense while the organization built up the line and added weapons.This is all academic now though,what is done is done.All I hope for is that whoever the starting qb is,he can get the job done.
