Singletary to pick QB by third preseason game

Those are just O'Sulliexcuses and Hillexcuses.

Originally posted by indianajim:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Man, i honestly dont care about JTO sucky, and Martz well in my eyes he stopped becoming an issue with the regime change. i mean s**t why not bring back up Nolan and Hos, and anyone else of the past.

To stay on issue of the posting:), it´s pretty reassuring that we will know who our starter is by the end of the third preseason game. It means that whomever we have will have willed their skill set to show that they deserve the job. The only one up I see on hill is that he has been with the current offense for a longer period, however some of those same players smith had in 06 are still there. And if my memory serves correctly VD didnt do too bad that year.

Here are some words from SAC bee that i found pretty re-assuring;

With a new coach, a new toy in Michael Crabtree and a return to a smash-mouth style of play, the 49ers are riding this warm updraft.The question is whether it's legitimate or just a blinding flash of light. I would argue – cautiously – that the good vibrations are justified.

If you can stand the stroll down bad memory lane, 2007 went something like this: The 49ers were coming off an encouraging 2006 season in which they finished 7-9 and swept the division champion Seahawks. The consensus was that Mike Nolan's young team was ready to take the next step, and whispers of a division title were in the air.

Regardless of those who like it or not, it´s some of these words and facts that put smith right up there with hill. I mean with smith, you have what, 4 years to go off of, when he did play un-injured.and with hill´s record you have what, 4 years to play with, with hardly any injuries because he was never a starter and played a full season. And it doesn´t matter why he wasnt.

In my opinion it was a section of each qb´s past that gives them true validity on why they should be in this competition. Now which section you want to highlight is up to you the fan. But both men have their good times and bad. So as a result, it´s why in a way Sing said that by default hill would be the starter, while at the same time, both men are on an equal playing ground.

So by the end of third preseason game, i cant wait until a starter if finally named. and i for one am excited as hell, honestly regardless of who i´d like to be our qb or not.

4 years to go off of with Smith? I don't understand. He only had two full seasons of play.

Exactly brotha, and i dont even consider it two full seasons, i say one in 06. The words in my posting, explained to those that say why is smith in the competition, and i say because if you go on 06, everyone, even tho some say no, everyone wanted to see the 07. Then smith started, went 2-1, then got hurt. With hill, his backers say hey his record is this 7-3, so thats why he should be starter. Good ol Indy jim, im saying that smith had his time where we were thinking hey, maybe he can do it, then he got hurt. So i say that hill has done things when he did play, as did smith. So i say this is why i say the competition is equal. and with hill of course he´s the starter by default because he finished the season. But thats it in his regards in my opinion. Some say because he finished and saved sings job and this or that is why he´s the starter going into camp. And to those that say this opinion i say it´s not the case, and that smith and hill have shown us at times, they both can get it done, and it doesnt matter what year or which game. They are on an equal playing level and may the best man win by the end of the third game. HOpe you understand now brotha;)

I still do not get why some people have a problem with a competition taking place,the best QB will win,and the team will be better for it.Only irrational fans think either of the QB's have earned the right to start,neither has done jack to cement their place as starter.We will come out of this preseason with an established starting QB and a backup made better by the competition.Competition is better than complacency any day.I like both of the guys and hope this competition pushes them both to step up their games.

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Exactly brotha, and i dont even consider it two full seasons, i say one in 06. The words in my posting, explained to those that say why is smith in the competition, and i say because if you go on 06, everyone, even tho some say no, everyone wanted to see the 07. Then smith started, went 2-1, then got hurt. With hill, his backers say hey his record is this 7-3, so thats why he should be starter. Good ol Indy jim, im saying that smith had his time where we were thinking hey, maybe he can do it, then he got hurt. So i say that hill has done things when he did play, as did smith. So i say this is why i say the competition is equal. and with hill of course he´s the starter by default because he finished the season. But thats it in his regards in my opinion. Some say because he finished and saved sings job and this or that is why he´s the starter going into camp. And to those that say this opinion i say it´s not the case, and that smith and hill have shown us at times, they both can get it done, and it doesnt matter what year or which game. They are on an equal playing level and may the best man win by the end of the third game. HOpe you understand now brotha;)

I understand and completely agree!

So if crabtree and alex look good does that mean they could win the starting jobs. Alex and Crabtree will be on the second team correct and could make each other look really good. Alex likes the spread, crabtree excels in it. Hmm...

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
So if crabtree and alex look good does that mean they could win the starting jobs. Alex and Crabtree will be on the second team correct and could make each other look really good. Alex likes the spread, crabtree excels in it. Hmm...

Nolan's going to get a game plan but i don't think the big nickle will be hard.

I'd prefer we have a set, starting QB going into camp but considering the fact that we don't, I'm all in favor of let the best man win. After looking at Hill's highlights, it's really hard to deny this guy. Regardless of who he played, Hill won games and effectively managed the games well enough to produce victories. Old topic but I truly think Hill has proven much more to us than Smith has in the small time allotted to him/them.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Sab, you really believe that about jt osullivan? really? you want hill to start but you didnt even notice how much the sacks went down with hill as qb instead of jt? you must not have even watched the games dude because a lot of those sacks were jts fault. oh yea, and your boy martz hated hill and personally pulled him out of the qb competition last year before preseason even started.

Willis, I have already acknowledged JTO's part in his demise as I have previously stated that he made his fair share of mistakes. As another fan stated, 32 sacks for JTO, 23 for Hill...not THAT big a difference IMO. What most homers fail to acknowledge is the significant role the poor OL performance played in JTO's downfall. JTO started out gunslinging but as soon as they faced some tougher D's the protection went away which forced JTO to run for his life almost every play which lead to a lot of those sacks and fumbles. It all starts in the trenches with the OL so to say that JTO went from gunslinger managing a 7th ranked offense to mistake-prone butterfingers for no reason is absurd.

I want Hill to start over Smith, of course. But at the time last season, JTO was the right guy to start at the beginning of the season. He outplayed Smith and Hill and knew Martz's system the best which is basic fact whether Martz favored him or not. So regardless of the ultimate outcome, JTO was the correct guy to start.

No he wasnt because he had no pocket presence, stared down his receivers, routinely threw into double coverage, and left the pocket too quickly. the saints had him figured out by the 4th game and their d was garbage against worst offensive lines and other bad qbs. sorry but he was a crappy qb and youre making excuses for the guy. hill took 9 less sacks in a larger amount of playing time. a few times jto ran into the defender without the defense even having to do anything. he looked like a mobile version of the 07 trent dilfer.

I'm afraid I have to agree with Sabrason on this one thing... JTO was apparently the best guy to start that season. Neither Alex nor Hill knew the intricacies of Martz's scheme, and they didn't look good early on. It didn't help that Alex was still injured, and Hill's arm is... less than strong. JTO was gonna be the guy to start things off while the others (mainly Alex) continued absorbing the playbook. I was screaming conspiracy from the start, haha. Really thought that Martz just wanted his boy, and Nolan was only too happy to stomp on Alex again with his bitterness. If JTO was that far along on understanding the Martz scheme, and Alex and Hill (for whatever reasons) looked clearly confused, then I can see JTO starting as the right call. He actually surprised a lot of us with his ability to move the ball down field in chunks. He just couldn't correct the turnovers, and ended up doing more harm than good.

JTO was the right guy to start, considering his knowledge of the system and Smith out for the year. Hill needed the time to absorb the system.

But one thing Hill has that JTO did not, and that is throwing to the first option. Part of that might be Martz changing up the plays a little. But routinely you'd see JTO hold onto the ball because he wants to push it downfield. Hill took the shorter throws that were immediately available, more often than not, trusting that they'd be able to move more methodically.

I also think there is something to be said for the way the O-Line played under Singeltary's motivation rather than Nolan. They saw in Singletary a genuine leader, and in Nolan they saw... well... significantly LESS than leadership.

i think that smith is going to win the competion but i think hill deserves the job more.

Little JTO might have been the right guy to start, but he should have been yanked by game 3.

If it were up to Martz, Little JTO would have started every game throughout the season, and we would have shattered the record for fumbles and INT's.

Now that is scary. If that were the case we would have picked Crabtree at #2 instead of #10.

Let's face it, JTO and Martz are obsolete, that's why they are where they are.

[ Edited by AXEGRINDER on Jul 25, 2009 at 19:23:28 ]

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Little JTO might have been the right guy to start, but he should have been yanked by game 3. If it were up to Martz, Little JTO would have started every game throughout the season, and we would have shattered the record for fumbles and INT's. Now that is scary. If that were the case we would have picked Crabtree at #2 instead of #10.

exactly, thats my whole point.