Sacks for Justin Smith

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Another year like last year would be just great!

He was everything we could have hoped for last season. Played hard every down, never came off the field. Got 8 sacks, which is very good for a 3-4 DE.

An excellent FA signing IMO.

Agreed,he has played great for us,some people on this site love to show how little they understand football by heaping unrealistic expectations on players.Smith has never been a big sack guy,he is what he was last year,and if he continues to be the same,we will be good in the DE department.

Guy's got a nonstop motor, tough as nails, has to be accounted for on every play.

Plus he gets some sacks. Not like an OLB, but more than average for his position.

Without the "bend don't break," "hybrid" nonsense defense of last year, I would not be surprised to see him add to his sacks total this year.

That's my reasoning for voting 9.

If Justin Smith & Manny Lawson can get it going in the sack department this year we could be in store for a good defensive year

Originally posted by KRS-1:
First off, Smith was not ALWAYS a 3-4 DE. He played it for his first 2 years in Cincy under then HC Dick Lebeau. When Marvin Lewis took over he moved to 4-3 DE (and played some DT in nickel situations like he does for us).

Secondly his role as a 3-4 DE means he won't get big sacks numbers. He also plays inside on nickel downs like I mentioned above. Seems some people are confused by us paying big money to a DE and what his role is in this defense.

I couldve sworn I said this was part of Cincinnati's problem. And I even asked since when is 7 not enough. I guess you missed that...its ok...

Maybe I should say it this way...

He was always a NATURAL 3-4 DE. I thought he played out of his element in a 4-3. A 3-4 has always suited him and it showed last season when he played that 5-tech full time. He is a good POA penetrator that can hold up against the run as well as take on double teams.

I know what roles are as it pertains to players and schemes...I'm new here but far from a NOOB...I just happen to think some players may play the same spot but better suited to one scheme as opposed to another...in this case 3-4 to 4-3 DE.

6

justin will have 10+

Originally posted by reasonable1:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
I didnt say it wasnt enough but its not like 10-15 sacks

only a few guys do this, tho. J. Smith was awesome -- he has a motor like BY and was great once we put him as a down lineman. he mighta gotten more if he wasn't all over the field in retard nolan's whack hybrid scheme

CINCINNATIES PROBLEM WAS THAT THEY SUCK

This was Cincinnati's problem when he was drafted. Smith has ALWAYS been a 3-4 end. He was coming out of college and he remains that way now. Problem is...when you have a player with that high a motor and as talented as he is, teams always try to get him to play positions and take responsibilities that he shouldnt play or have to take on.

Nolan's problem was he came from a team/system that was established and had established superstars. He thought he was smart enough to duplicate that when he came here with next to no talent to start with. His problem was that he forgot that the Ravens were strictly a 3-4 team before they ALL became comfortable within the system, which then allowed the DC's to play with schemes a little. He NEVER allowed anyone to become comfortable in their roles...yet always felt the need to change them by the week.

Smith is a really good piece to have on an attacking 3-4...which is what Manusky is putting together.

Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
When we picked up Justin Smith he was suppost to be a big sack guy for us. That didnt happen last year but his play was exceptional. How many sacks does the NATION think he will get this year?

No he was NOT supposed to be a "big sack guy" for us. Everyone was talking about how we shouldn't expect big sack numbers from Justin Smith or ANY 3-4 DE.

That being said, I think he can get 8-10 sacks.

Thought he'd get 5ish sacks last year but he got 7 and that is really good for the postiton/role he plays IMO.

He should get about the same next year

Originally posted by marshniners24:
Thought he'd get 5ish sacks last year but he got 7 and that is really good for the postiton/role he plays IMO.

He should get about the same next year

I would be dissapointed if he only got 5 sacks this year.. he needs atleast 7 and needs to apply pressure to the qb and make him throw ints/fumble ect...

Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
When we picked up Justin Smith he was suppost to be a big sack guy for us. That didnt happen last year but his play was exceptional. How many sacks does the NATION think he will get this year?

He wasn't supposed to be a big sack guy for us. No one expected 12 from him.

Originally posted by 49erForLife420:

Originally posted by marshniners24:
Thought he'd get 5ish sacks last year but he got 7 and that is really good for the postiton/role he plays IMO.

He should get about the same next year

I would be dissapointed if he only got 5 sacks this year.. he needs atleast 7 and needs to apply pressure to the qb and make him throw ints/fumble ect...

I was talking about last season. Now after he's been in the system(kinda) for a year I expect him to produce more, but what he did last year was awesome. 7 sacks for a 3-4 DE is a lot

Alot of people keep saying he wasn't supposed to be a big sack guy for us. I think some of you forgot that he started the year palying alot of 3-4 OLB pass-rusher, but wasn't highly productive.

Now, ScottieMac may not have thought of him as a high-sack guy (and instead as a 6-7 sack 3-4 end) when he signed him, but Nolan and/or Manusky thought he'd be that, and that's why they played him at passrushing OLB.

Of course, they were wrong, and once Sing simplified the D and JSmith stayed at 3-4 end (sometimes going to 4-3 DT on 3rd downs), his motor and work-ethic shined in that role.

over 9,000!

Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
If Justin Smith & Manny Lawson can get it going in the sack department this year we could be in store for a good defensive year

Justin Smith had it going last year - DE's in a 3-4 defense dont get the big sack #'s... Pressure typically comes from the OLB's.

We should all feel very happy if Smith is able to get close to 7 sacks next year.

Originally posted by manzano16:
He wasn't expected to put up Strahan-like sack numbers. 6-7 sacks is just about right for what we (at least I) thought he'd bring, along with very tough run defense and a solid all-around defender. Sorry if you were expecting more, but this is what he's always been and there aren't many out there like him.