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Originally posted by 49erScott:
Because I actually agree with Peter King on a 49ers related post

King's take.

6. I think I can't believe the sentiment out there for Alex Smith to win the 49er quarterback job. Unless Smith has had an arm transplant with Jay Cutler, how can anyone who has watched the last two San Francisco seasons think he's better than Shaun Hill? I'm not saying he can't win the job. But the sentiment in the Bay Area is so strong that Smith enters camp with the edge. It's not based on what has happened on the field. At all.

One of the greatest mysteries of the WZ and beyond... has any player performed so poorly and accomplished so little yet has been so vigorously defended and supported? I have never seen anything like it.

I am surprised that more of the locals did not attack your post. I posted something similar not too long ago and was called everything under the sun. I said something to the affect of that the competition is not really a competition but rather a way to try to get alex on the field. And that little of hill's and smith's performance during the preseason will effect the decision of who gets the nod.

Its funny how everone is quick to jump on the lack of pocket pressence. Or the tunnel vision lock on wrs not feeling the pressure. Hum youngest player in the nfl playing with the worst oline and wrs in the leauge. Dont kid your self with all your great analysis of this kid. Nolan elected to have an ex college defensive back mentor this kid, great desison. I am not on Alex's nuts but I want to see what he can do with a better line and wrs that actually can catch. He looked decent last year playing with third string line and wrs.

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
With all due respect, I think many of you have it completely when you focus on arm strength. It's never been about arm strength with Alex (except of course, with the injury).There can be no debate as to who wins the arm strength comparison between Hill and Smith. However, where Smith has faltered, and there's no reason to think he won't again, is in pocket presence, field vision, timing and accuracy. Timing and accuracy can certainly be improved with reps with his receivers and a better understanding of the offense, but I have serious doubts about the intangibles, which are equally, if not more, important. On his better days, he couldn't seem to sense a Rhino coming at him from the side or back; none of that "sixth sense" that's so critical for QB's. And that same "tunnel vision" prevented him from seeing the entire field when scanning for receivers. Additionally, even when he had the time, he consistently under or over threw receivers. So, other than an admitted improvement under Norv (and let's face it, anything would have been an improvement, so going from abysmal to ok was hardly earthshaking), what has Alex shown to warrant such loyalty or confidence? Hill earned the starting job and should start. If he doesn't get it done, then give Alex his final shot to prove himself. It will also give him the extra time even his college coach concedes he needs to become comfortable with a new offense. This seems to be the most logical scenario and would ultimately be the most fair one for all concerned.

Originally posted by Sabrason:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
With all due respect, I think many of you have it completely when you focus on arm strength. It's never been about arm strength with Alex (except of course, with the injury).There can be no debate as to who wins the arm strength comparison between Hill and Smith. However, where Smith has faltered, and there's no reason to think he won't again, is in pocket presence, field vision, timing and accuracy. Timing and accuracy can certainly be improved with reps with his receivers and a better understanding of the offense, but I have serious doubts about the intangibles, which are equally, if not more, important. On his better days, he couldn't seem to sense a Rhino coming at him from the side or back; none of that "sixth sense" that's so critical for QB's. And that same "tunnel vision" prevented him from seeing the entire field when scanning for receivers. Additionally, even when he had the time, he consistently under or over threw receivers. So, other than an admitted improvement under Norv (and let's face it, anything would have been an improvement, so going from abysmal to ok was hardly earthshaking), what has Alex shown to warrant such loyalty or confidence? Hill earned the starting job and should start. If he doesn't get it done, then give Alex his final shot to prove himself. It will also give him the extra time even his college coach concedes he needs to become comfortable with a new offense. This seems to be the most logical scenario and would ultimately be the most fair one for all concerned.

Thanks, Sabrason. seriously though, wouldn't the above scenario make the most sense? Even should Smith win the training camp battle, will he have the complete enough command of this new offense to fly with it? It seems to be the general consensus, as stated above, that he needs to know an offense inside and out to perform well in it. I have a hard time thinking that will be the case, in actual game conditions, this soon. That's why this "competition' makes little sense to me. Give Hill the starting job he earned last year and give Smith the time he'll likely need to master the new system! What's so hard to understand? Ig Hill excells, as he might, no harm, no foul. If he faalters, well smith gained some valuable time.

Alex really needs to look perfect to win the starting nod. Otherwise that would be total disrespect to hill. I understand the injuries and everything but still, hill has won with the same people.

Originally posted by SF4EVA:
Alex really needs to look perfect to win the starting nod. Otherwise that would be total disrespect to hill. I understand the injuries and everything but still, hill has won with the same people.

he had ted tollner not hos!!!! big difference!!!! and really iv said this too much. smith threw for more yards and more accurately against the steelers than hill did against terrible defenses...... fact. not to mention steelers had the #1 d that year.... iv posted too many links about this, so people can look for themselves

im sure there really worried about the disrespect factor. let the best man win..... imo go smith!!!!!!!! and if hill wins ill be ok with it.

[ Edited by fan49 on Jul 27, 2009 at 20:04:34 ]

Originally posted by 49erScott:
Because I actually agree with Peter King on a 49ers related post

King's take.

6. I think I can't believe the sentiment out there for Alex Smith to win the 49er quarterback job. Unless Smith has had an arm transplant with Jay Cutler, how can anyone who has watched the last two San Francisco seasons think he's better than Shaun Hill? I'm not saying he can't win the job. But the sentiment in the Bay Area is so strong that Smith enters camp with the edge. It's not based on what has happened on the field. At all.

One of the greatest mysteries of the WZ and beyond... has any player performed so poorly and accomplished so little yet has been so vigorously defended and supported? I have never seen anything like it.

Yeah I never saw a player get so many chances and cant do s**t with it and still be able to stay on the team. All these articles and excuses for a bust. You have to understand that some people here may have a physical attraction for him because it cant be for his actual play.

People say the 49ers want to save face that may be true, but the financial aspect played a huge role in the resigning of this bust. People one here love to say that the 49ers wanted him back so bad, but in reality if he did not restructure his contract he would have got the boot plain and simple. The 49ers would not have been open to the idea of getting Kurt Warner or Micheal Vick if they had sooo much faith in Alex Leaf.

Fact is I want a winner under center. Alex Leaf is not one. Lets see I will choose a player who supposedly has all the physical tools and potential but can not relay it on the field versus somebody who already PROVED themselves on game day. This is such a hard choice

I feel sorry for Hill all he does is win and still can not get proper respect. Now I dont think he is the long term answer but I would take him in a heartbeat over Mr. 3 and out, Busta Bust Alex Leaf.

[ Edited by 49er4eva on Jul 27, 2009 at 20:22:57 ]

Originally posted by 49erScott:
Because I actually agree with Peter King on a 49ers related post

King's take.

6. I think I can't believe the sentiment out there for Alex Smith to win the 49er quarterback job. Unless Smith has had an arm transplant with Jay Cutler, how can anyone who has watched the last two San Francisco seasons think he's better than Shaun Hill? I'm not saying he can't win the job. But the sentiment in the Bay Area is so strong that Smith enters camp with the edge. It's not based on what has happened on the field. At all.

One of the greatest mysteries of the WZ and beyond... has any player performed so poorly and accomplished so little yet has been so vigorously defended and supported? I have never seen anything like it.

Amen! Well put and I agree 100%

Originally posted by 49erScott:
Because I actually agree with Peter King on a 49ers related post

King's take.

6. I think I can't believe the sentiment out there for Alex Smith to win the 49er quarterback job. Unless Smith has had an arm transplant with Jay Cutler, how can anyone who has watched the last two San Francisco seasons think he's better than Shaun Hill? I'm not saying he can't win the job. But the sentiment in the Bay Area is so strong that Smith enters camp with the edge. It's not based on what has happened on the field. At all.

One of the greatest mysteries of the WZ and beyond... has any player performed so poorly and accomplished so little yet has been so vigorously defended and supported? I have never seen anything like it.

1st of all King is an idiot.

Smith has far better attributes than Hill. They are statistically the same in the Red Zone.

2nd of all Smith does have the stronger arm of the 2 QB's.

3rd of all, don't you find it incredibly weird that he never ONCE mentioned the crap Line that blocked for Smith?

So it is completely unreasonable on King's part to float that crap out there about Hill being better than Smith.

King is an ass pirate.

~Ceadder

[ Edited by Ceadderman on Jul 27, 2009 at 20:45:01 ]

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Its funny how everone is quick to jump on the lack of pocket pressence. Or the tunnel vision lock on wrs not feeling the pressure. Hum youngest player in the nfl playing with the worst oline and wrs in the leauge. Dont kid your self with all your great analysis of this kid. Nolan elected to have an ex college defensive back mentor this kid, great desison. I am not on Alex's nuts but I want to see what he can do with a better line and wrs that actually can catch. He looked decent last year playing with third string line and wrs.

Yup. Til he had to pack it in to get that surgery done he was starting to look pretty good.

I love how everyone that hates Smith pulls "JTO had the better preseason of all 3 QBs"

Mmmmmm NO $H#T?!? Don't ya THINK that he should have given that he "knew the system" better?

If he didn't all of 9erdom would have been up in arms asking what the hell he was even on the team for if he didn't have the better Preseason. Personally I don't think that he was all that good in Preseason anyway. Does anyone besides me give a failing grade for throwing turnovers by a guy that is SPOSED to know the system better than the guys behind him? He showed us EXACTLY what he was in that time. Only we kinda had no choice with Alex out for the season and Hill with no 1st team reps.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Its funny how everone is quick to jump on the lack of pocket pressence. Or the tunnel vision lock on wrs not feeling the pressure. Hum youngest player in the nfl playing with the worst oline and wrs in the leauge. Dont kid your self with all your great analysis of this kid. Nolan elected to have an ex college defensive back mentor this kid, great desison. I am not on Alex's nuts but I want to see what he can do with a better line and wrs that actually can catch. He looked decent last year playing with third string line and wrs.

Yup. Til he had to pack it in to get that surgery done he was starting to look pretty good.

I love how everyone that hates Smith pulls "JTO had the better preseason of all 3 QBs"

Mmmmmm NO $H#T?!? Don't ya THINK that he should have given that he "knew the system" better?

If he didn't all of 9erdom would have been up in arms asking what the hell he was even on the team for if he didn't have the better Preseason. Personally I don't think that he was all that good in Preseason anyway. Does anyone besides me give a failing grade for throwing turnovers by a guy that is SPOSED to know the system better than the guys behind him? He showed us EXACTLY what he was in that time. Only we kinda had no choice with Alex out for the season and Hill with no 1st team reps.

~Ceadder

If I remember right hills arm was sore from practice! And jto had 1 and I mean 1 good preseason game! He stunk up the whole preseason! And well nolan took the gamble and well we all know where he is at now lol. Speakin of nolan, did nhap pack up and move to the denver site? Lol he cracked me up!
All hail lord nolan, and his big tickle d lol! Damn that sounds dirty, f**kin great ha ha


Denvers d will be be dirty this yr! They might break the passes allowed, or rushing yards allowed in a game this yr!
Coffee this preseason lol jk
Ok it could happen

I usually hate Peter King, but in this case - he's 100% correct.

Originally posted by billybonka:
I usually hate Peter King, but in this case - he's 100% correct.

Yup that's what I was thinking. He is a nolan nut hugger if I remember rite. That makes me dislike em. But this artical seems virtually unbiased, which when he usually talks niners, crap pours out lol

Originally posted by 9erluv415:
People remember how Alex progressed with Norv and thats why Sing brought in Raye. Sing wants to get back to that year bc that was the year we ALL saw progress, not just from Alex, but the whole TEAM as a whole.

Alex is way more talented that Shaun, but he needs more than just that and thats why Sing is giving Alex every opportunity to challenge for the starting position, which is the right move...IMO!

I like Hill and his grit/determination/intangibles. He deserves praise for what he has done. He is a GREAT backup QB.

However, if one steps back and really looks at Smith's career (in it's entirety ....... both on & off the field), and takes into account all that has happened within the franchise during his time here as a niner ( I expect that everyone reading this is fanatic enough to have seen all that has been in disarray over the past 4 years).

Alex Smith is still VERY young. Remember how old Steve Young was when he became a starter/star. Not saying that Smith will ever be on the level of Steve Young, but just saying "he has a chance to be good"

Originally posted by frankie:

Originally posted by billybonka:
I usually hate Peter King, but in this case - he's 100% correct.

Yup that's what I was thinking. He is a nolan nut hugger if I remember rite. That makes me dislike em. But this artical seems virtually unbiased, which when he usually talks niners, crap pours out lol

Beware the sudden agreement with an idiot...