When will Michael Crabtree be signed?

Reference his BIO:
I think he just holds a grudge that he's not THAT Parker of the San Antonio Spurs.....

Man, you guys should relax.

Originally posted by AKfanster:
Man, you guys should relax.

Oh lighten up. We're just trying to extend this thread in the absence of concrete news of progress from either camp.

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

And how is this Bio different than the Bios of other big-name sports agents?

When it comes down to it, they all say that they are the greatest thing since slice-bread, they look out for the best interests of their clients, they do other feel-good -do-good stuff. blah, blah, blah.

How is his bio important? Try to find one guy outside Tom Condon with a list as impressive as this.

Maximum Sports Management Client List
Name Team
Alex Barron Saint Louis Rams
Travis Beckum NY Giants
Cedric Benson Cincinnati Bengals
Will Blackmon Green Bay Packers
Derrick Brooks Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Dominique Byrd Arizona Cardinals
Jairus Byrd Buffalo Bills
Corey Chavous Saint Louis Rams
Laveranues Coles New York Jets
Michael Crabtree San Francisco 49ers
Sedrick Ellis New Orleans Saints
Trai Essex Pittsburgh Steelers
Larry Fitzgerald Arizona Cardinals
BenJarvus Green-Ellis New England Patriots
James Hardy Buffalo Bills
Justin Harrell Green Bay Packers
Ryan Harris Denver Broncos
Devin Hester Chicago Bears
Steven Jackson Saint Louis Rams
Tyson Jackson Kansas City Chiefs
Greg Jennings Green Bay Packers
Felix Jones Dallas Cowboys
Walter Jones Seattle Seahawks
Dustin Keller New York Jets
Alex Magee Kansas City Chiefs
Curtis Martin New York Jets (Retired)
Turk McBride Kansas City Chiefs
Justin Miller Oakland Raiders
Roman Oben San Diego Chargers
Jarrad Page Kansas City Chiefs
Chris Perry Cincinnati Bengals
Jason Peters Buffalo Bills Client Info
Tracy Porter New Orleans Saints
Chilo Rachal San Francisco 49ers
Jay Richardson Oakland Raiders
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie Arizona Cardinals
Deion Sanders Baltimore Ravens (Retired)
Darell Scott St. Louis Rams
Richard Seymour New England Patriots
Corey Simon Tennessee Titans (Retired)
Emmitt Smith Dallas Cowboys (Retired)
Anthony Spencer Dallas Cowboys
Max Starks Pittsburgh Steelers
Joey Thomas Miami Dolphins
Lee Vickers Baltimore Ravens
Hines Ward Pittsburgh Steelers
Chauncey Washington Jacksonville Jaguars
Adrian Wilson Arizona Cardinals
Rod Woodson Oakland Raiders (Retired)

And many more retired players not listed.

I only put this list down to remind some of the board members that he is not an amateur. He's not going to be intimidated by Scot and Jed York, and he is going to get a big number one way or another for Crabtree. He's not a guy who goes into a contract situation blindly, and then grasps to figure out what to do. He wouldn't have a client list this long or powerful if he was clueless in this job.

Maddog nobody said the guy was a rookie. But like I stated the guys job is to get his clients signed and on the field. Now do you think he is doing his job?

Parker has helped Crabs sign endorsment deals. Is it possible that in the contract between Parker and Crabtree, that he has been given authority over this negotiation, and Crabs can't simply fire him, even if he wanted to say "f**k it sign the deal and lets play ball, or you're fired"?

Just a thought...

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I thought I would post Satan's biography. Satan also goes by these various names: Beelzubub, the Devil, the Wicked One, Power of Darkness, Belial, Red Dragon, and Prince of this World>

Eugene Parker Bio:
Eugene E. Parker
Contract Advisor
Attorney Eugene Parker began his career in sports as an aspiring young athlete - much like those he represents today. Parker played basketball for Purdue University and went on to be drafted by the San Antonio Spurs. After a year of playing with Athletes in Action, Parker began law school at Valparaiso University, where he graduated with his J.D. in 1982. He began his ascent into the world of professional sports management when a local star, Roosevelt Barnes, Jr., asked for Parker’s advice on his Detroit Lions contract. From there, he has gone on to negotiate ground-breaking and record-setting NFL contracts and represent some of today’s top athletes, including Deion Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Hines Ward, and Larry Fitzgerald. Parker is known throughout the sports industry as both a tough negotiator and a man of integrity. Protecting his client’s best interests is always a number-one priority. Parker feels that there is more to being a good agent than negotiating a top-notch contract. Helping a client adjust to his new life as a professional athlete is also extremely important. He shows clients how they can use their athletic talents as a vehicle to gain an economic advantage in society.

Parker was once a nice guy, a Christian, who played with Athletes in Action, but suddenly and ruthless became greedy and evil. ARGH!! The evil just oozes out of him.

The True Face of Evil

I normally agree and support just about everything you say, but I really have to agree to disagree on this. We are in an economic recession, NFL jobs are being cut by over 25%, even pension plans are being revoked. Not to mention the industry already pays next to nothing to anyone that is not a GM or head coach.

This is all to accomodate for what? Outrageous salaries that Parker forces out of NFL teams. Yeah he represents a fine list of clientele, but every single one of them is overpaid (compared to comparable NFL athletes). Yes, he's doing his job. But, yes, he's also "Sleazy" for his tendency to hold out his players and leverage teams into paying athletes what they don't realistically deserve (forcing them to find other ways to save money, ie. layoff and/or cut the wages of the blue collar NFL workforce)... for a man that had alot of lucky breaks in his career, he sure doesn't help out the little man a lot.... (this is all coming from an Ivy League, Economics and Business double major, who graduated cum laude as a varsity football athlete, yet can't find even a $25,000 job with an NFL team in any capacity )

You make a nice moral argument, but at the end of the day, this is a business, from both labor and management.

He does play hardball with clubs, and that is how he gets top 5 WR money for players like Greg Jennings. The Devil is good at what he does.

blame it on George Bush

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'm going to be really nice and put out an APB on sexual references between me and Parker and Crabtree.

In a matter of 48 hours, I have been on "Parker's nuts", "giving him a blowjob", and now "swinging from his nutsack". Three different sexual references by three different people.

I'm going to nicely ask all three parties to take down these comments.

Damn that is rough!

Originally posted by backontop:
Maddog nobody said the guy was a rookie. But like I stated the guys job is to get his clients signed and on the field. Now do you think he is doing his job?

It is true that he needs to get his clients on the field. At the same time, this is a multi-year contract, so the thinking for the agent is long-term security for their client.

Is he doing his job? Surely. Wait until the final numbers come out. He will gain millions more than if Crabtree was a DT, and under normal draft circumstances.

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
blame it on George Bush

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by backontop:
Maddog nobody said the guy was a rookie. But like I stated the guys job is to get his clients signed and on the field. Now do you think he is doing his job?

It is true that he needs to get his clients on the field. At the same time, this is a multi-year contract, so the thinking for the agent is long-term security for their client.

Is he doing his job? Surely. Wait until the final numbers come out. He will gain millions more than if Crabtree was a DT, and under normal draft circumstances.

how is it not normal draft circumstances? He was a college player then entered the draft. he was selected 10th overall in the draft that he entered. Seems pretty normal to me. Brady Quinn was expected to go a lot higher than he did should he have held out for #1 overall money??? Don't give me that normal circumstances bulls**t. Players fall in the draft it happens Crabtree needs to get over it and sign his damn contract. Crying about it isn't going to help his career any and if he holds out it will do nothing but hurt him.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by backontop:
Maddog nobody said the guy was a rookie. But like I stated the guys job is to get his clients signed and on the field. Now do you think he is doing his job?

It is true that he needs to get his clients on the field. At the same time, this is a multi-year contract, so the thinking for the agent is long-term security for their client.

Is he doing his job? Surely. Wait until the final numbers come out. He will gain millions more than if Crabtree was a DT, and under normal draft circumstances.

His job is to get his client as much money as the organization is willing to give up.
Now this is regardless of whether he actually earns it or not by his performance on the field. His job is to set his client up for life with that rookie contract in the likelihood that he becomes a bust and washes out of the league in 3-4 years.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I thought I would post Satan's biography. Satan also goes by these various names: Beelzubub, the Devil, the Wicked One, Power of Darkness, Belial, Red Dragon, and Prince of this World>

Eugene Parker Bio:
Eugene E. Parker
Contract Advisor
Attorney Eugene Parker began his career in sports as an aspiring young athlete - much like those he represents today. Parker played basketball for Purdue University and went on to be drafted by the San Antonio Spurs. After a year of playing with Athletes in Action, Parker began law school at Valparaiso University, where he graduated with his J.D. in 1982. He began his ascent into the world of professional sports management when a local star, Roosevelt Barnes, Jr., asked for Parker’s advice on his Detroit Lions contract. From there, he has gone on to negotiate ground-breaking and record-setting NFL contracts and represent some of today’s top athletes, including Deion Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Hines Ward, and Larry Fitzgerald. Parker is known throughout the sports industry as both a tough negotiator and a man of integrity. Protecting his client’s best interests is always a number-one priority. Parker feels that there is more to being a good agent than negotiating a top-notch contract. Helping a client adjust to his new life as a professional athlete is also extremely important. He shows clients how they can use their athletic talents as a vehicle to gain an economic advantage in society.

Parker was once a nice guy, a Christian, who played with Athletes in Action, but suddenly and ruthless became greedy and evil. ARGH!! The evil just oozes out of him.

The True Face of Evil

I normally agree and support just about everything you say, but I really have to agree to disagree on this. We are in an economic recession, NFL jobs are being cut by over 25%, even pension plans are being revoked. Not to mention the industry already pays next to nothing to anyone that is not a GM or head coach.

This is all to accomodate for what? Outrageous salaries that Parker forces out of NFL teams. Yeah he represents a fine list of clientele, but every single one of them is overpaid (compared to comparable NFL athletes). Yes, he's doing his job. But, yes, he's also "Sleazy" for his tendency to hold out his players and leverage teams into paying athletes what they don't realistically deserve (forcing them to find other ways to save money, ie. layoff and/or cut the wages of the blue collar NFL workforce)... for a man that had alot of lucky breaks in his career, he sure doesn't help out the little man a lot.... (this is all coming from an Ivy League, Economics and Business double major, who graduated cum laude as a varsity football athlete, yet can't find even a $25,000 job with an NFL team in any capacity )

You make a nice moral argument, but at the end of the day, this is a business, from both labor and management.

He does play hardball with clubs, and that is how he gets top 5 WR money for players like Greg Jennings. The Devil is good at what he does.

Parker may very well be the greatest sports agent alive. Doesn't really matter, IMHO.

I have been negotiating "deals" for clients for over 20 years, both in criminal and in civil cases. I know some extremely talented, dedicated and hard working attorneys, and I've seen them in negotiations. Their negotiating skills are important, but most often, it boils down to leverage.

So where's Parker's leverage here? The possibility of Crabtree holding out for the year? That ultimately hurts his client as much, if not more, than it hurts the Niners. Is he going to pay Crabtree the money Crabs will miss out on if he sits out the year? Parker doesn't have THAT kind of clout, or money.

Its difficult for Parker to play "hardball" when he's only got that one pitch (and someone else already tossed it out there). Where's his leverage?

The longer Crabs holds out, the worse it gets, for him. Yes, the Niner's are missing their #1 draftpick, BUT Crabs is also missing--missing practice time, missing playing time, and ultimately missing money that he'll never get to make up.

BTW, I join in your objection to the less polite references aimed your way. No need for that sort of language, and I congratulate you for declining to respond in kind, even if I agree that your support for Parker seems somewhat overstated at times.