When will Michael Crabtree be signed?

Originally posted by SFL49ER:
You know, to me, this Crabtree might be a little scared of entering the NFL. I know, it sounds crazy, but remember in the beginning, you hear that after he starts "hanging" with Deion Sanders, then he decides to test his skills in the NFL. In reality, we all see that he is not very mature yet, and might have bit off a little more than he can chew. Hes not showing me anything even close to commanding any type of respect, as in dealing with his agent; moving forward in his own long-term wishes regarding his career; or even doing interviews to clean up his image. To me, he should have completed all three scenarios already. He's very immature, and he could very well still be hindered from that fracture. He may be looking in the mirror questioning his own projected superstar talent, as others around this league (fans, commentators, analysts) may be also. He doesnt even know how he is going to fare in the pros, and it might be a little frightening for him to go from STUD to just another receiver. He already has some minor image issues... in that he has to look good in clothes and that hes quick to say, "Michael Crabtree doesn't cry" after that article came out earlier.

Bottom line: He needs to become a man and get ready for the new life that is right in front of him

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'm going to be really nice and put out an APB on sexual references between me and Parker and Crabtree.

In a matter of 48 hours, I have been on "Parker's nuts", "giving him a blowjob", and now "swinging from his nutsack". Three different sexual references by three different people.

I'm going to nicely ask all three parties to take down these comments.

Originally posted by global_nomad:

Originally posted by 49ers2009:
Check out these videos:

Hitler finds out about Crabtree's holdout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfGUzVi7wJY

Originally posted by kezar49er:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'm going to be really nice and put out an APB on sexual references between me and Parker and Crabtree.

In a matter of 48 hours, I have been on "Parker's nuts", "giving him a blowjob", and now "swinging from his nutsack". Three different sexual references by three different people.

I'm going to nicely ask all three parties to take down these comments.

Sorry MD...Hang in there bro

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I thought I would post Satan's biography. Satan also goes by these various names: Beelzubub, the Devil, the Wicked One, Power of Darkness, Belial, Red Dragon, and Prince of this World>

Eugene Parker Bio:
Eugene E. Parker
Contract Advisor
Attorney Eugene Parker began his career in sports as an aspiring young athlete - much like those he represents today. Parker played basketball for Purdue University and went on to be drafted by the San Antonio Spurs. After a year of playing with Athletes in Action, Parker began law school at Valparaiso University, where he graduated with his J.D. in 1982. He began his ascent into the world of professional sports management when a local star, Roosevelt Barnes, Jr., asked for Parker’s advice on his Detroit Lions contract. From there, he has gone on to negotiate ground-breaking and record-setting NFL contracts and represent some of today’s top athletes, including Deion Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Hines Ward, and Larry Fitzgerald. Parker is known throughout the sports industry as both a tough negotiator and a man of integrity. Protecting his client’s best interests is always a number-one priority. Parker feels that there is more to being a good agent than negotiating a top-notch contract. Helping a client adjust to his new life as a professional athlete is also extremely important. He shows clients how they can use their athletic talents as a vehicle to gain an economic advantage in society.

Parker was once a nice guy, a Christian, who played with Athletes in Action, but suddenly and ruthless became greedy and evil. ARGH!! The evil just oozes out of him.

The True Face of Evil

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I normally agree and support just about everything you say, but I really have to agree to disagree on this. We are in an economic recession, NFL jobs are being cut by over 25%, even pension plans are being revoked. Not to mention the industry already pays next to nothing to anyone that is not a GM or head coach.

This is all to accomodate for what? Outrageous salaries that Parker forces out of NFL teams. Yeah he represents a fine list of clientele, but every single one of them is overpaid (compared to comparable NFL athletes). Yes, he's doing his job. But, yes, he's also "Sleazy" for his tendency to hold out his players and leverage teams into paying athletes what they don't realistically deserve (forcing them to find other ways to save money, ie. layoff and/or cut the wages of the blue collar NFL workforce)... for a man that had alot of lucky breaks in his career, he sure doesn't help out the little man a lot.... (this is all coming from an Ivy League, Economics and Business double major, who graduated cum laude as a varsity football athlete, yet can't find even a $25,000 job with an NFL team in any capacity )

You make a nice moral argument, but at the end of the day, this is a business, from both labor and management.

He does play hardball with clubs, and that is how he gets top 5 WR money for players like Greg Jennings. The Devil is good at what he does.

Parker may very well be the greatest sports agent alive. Doesn't really matter, IMHO.

I have been negotiating "deals" for clients for over 20 years, both in criminal and in civil cases. I know some extremely talented, dedicated and hard working attorneys, and I've seen them in negotiations. Their negotiating skills are important, but most often, it boils down to leverage.

So where's Parker's leverage here? The possibility of Crabtree holding out for the year? That ultimately hurts his client as much, if not more, than it hurts the Niners. Is he going to pay Crabtree the money Crabs will miss out on if he sits out the year? Parker doesn't have THAT kind of clout, or money.

Its difficult for Parker to play "hardball" when he's only got that one pitch (and someone else already tossed it out there). Where's his leverage?

The longer Crabs holds out, the worse it gets, for him. Yes, the Niner's are missing their #1 draftpick, BUT Crabs is also missing--missing practice time, missing playing time, and ultimately missing money that he'll never get to make up.

BTW, I join in your objection to the less polite references aimed your way. No need for that sort of language, and I congratulate you for declining to respond in kind, even if I agree that your support for Parker seems somewhat overstated at times.

Originally posted by NinersSF:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I thought I would post Satan's biography. Satan also goes by these various names: Beelzubub, the Devil, the Wicked One, Power of Darkness, Belial, Red Dragon, and Prince of this World>

Eugene Parker Bio:
Eugene E. Parker
Contract Advisor
Attorney Eugene Parker began his career in sports as an aspiring young athlete - much like those he represents today. Parker played basketball for Purdue University and went on to be drafted by the San Antonio Spurs. After a year of playing with Athletes in Action, Parker began law school at Valparaiso University, where he graduated with his J.D. in 1982. He began his ascent into the world of professional sports management when a local star, Roosevelt Barnes, Jr., asked for Parker’s advice on his Detroit Lions contract. From there, he has gone on to negotiate ground-breaking and record-setting NFL contracts and represent some of today’s top athletes, including Deion Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Hines Ward, and Larry Fitzgerald. Parker is known throughout the sports industry as both a tough negotiator and a man of integrity. Protecting his client’s best interests is always a number-one priority. Parker feels that there is more to being a good agent than negotiating a top-notch contract. Helping a client adjust to his new life as a professional athlete is also extremely important. He shows clients how they can use their athletic talents as a vehicle to gain an economic advantage in society.

Parker was once a nice guy, a Christian, who played with Athletes in Action, but suddenly and ruthless became greedy and evil. ARGH!! The evil just oozes out of him.

The True Face of Evil

I normally agree and support just about everything you say, but I really have to agree to disagree on this. We are in an economic recession, NFL jobs are being cut by over 25%, even pension plans are being revoked. Not to mention the industry already pays next to nothing to anyone that is not a GM or head coach.

This is all to accomodate for what? Outrageous salaries that Parker forces out of NFL teams. Yeah he represents a fine list of clientele, but every single one of them is overpaid (compared to comparable NFL athletes). Yes, he's doing his job. But, yes, he's also "Sleazy" for his tendency to hold out his players and leverage teams into paying athletes what they don't realistically deserve (forcing them to find other ways to save money, ie. layoff and/or cut the wages of the blue collar NFL workforce)... for a man that had alot of lucky breaks in his career, he sure doesn't help out the little man a lot.... (this is all coming from an Ivy League, Economics and Business double major, who graduated cum laude as a varsity football athlete, yet can't find even a $25,000 job with an NFL team in any capacity )

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You make a nice moral argument, but at the end of the day, this is a business, from both labor and management.

He does play hardball with clubs, and that is how he gets top 5 WR money for players like Greg Jennings. The Devil is good at what he does.

Parker may very well be the greatest sports agent alive. Doesn't really matter, IMHO.

I have been negotiating "deals" for clients for over 20 years, both in criminal and in civil cases. I know some extremely talented, dedicated and hard working attorneys, and I've seen them in negotiations. Their negotiating skills are important, but most often, it boils down to leverage.

So where's Parker's leverage here? The possibility of Crabtree holding out for the year? That ultimately hurts his client as much, if not more, than it hurts the Niners. Is he going to pay Crabtree the money Crabs will miss out on if he sits out the year? Parker doesn't have THAT kind of clout, or money.

Its difficult for Parker to play "hardball" when he's only got that one pitch (and someone else already tossed it out there). Where's his leverage?

The longer Crabs holds out, the worse it gets, for him. Yes, the Niner's are missing their #1 draftpick, BUT Crabs is also missing--missing practice time, missing playing time, and ultimately missing money that he'll never get to make up.

BTW, I join in your objection to the less polite references aimed your way. No need for that sort of language, and I congratulate you for declining to respond in kind, even if I agree that your support for Parker seems somewhat overstated at times.

So that's what eugene parker look like? No wonder we have a holdout. f**k, this is not gonna end anytime soon. LOOK at that f**kin face??? a*****e deserves a brick thrown at him.

Originally posted by gpat52:
Man, this is a long thread!

Originally posted by 49erFan:
Parker has helped Crabs sign endorsment deals. Is it possible that in the contract between Parker and Crabtree, that he has been given authority over this negotiation, and Crabs can't simply fire him, even if he wanted to say "f**k it sign the deal and lets play ball, or you're fired"?

Just a thought...

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
How is his bio important? Try to find one guy outside Tom Condon with a list as impressive as this.

Maximum Sports Management Client List
Name Team
Alex Barron Saint Louis Rams
Travis Beckum NY Giants
Cedric Benson Cincinnati Bengals
Will Blackmon Green Bay Packers
Derrick Brooks Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Dominique Byrd Arizona Cardinals
Jairus Byrd Buffalo Bills
Corey Chavous Saint Louis Rams
Laveranues Coles New York Jets
Michael Crabtree San Francisco 49ers
Sedrick Ellis New Orleans Saints
Trai Essex Pittsburgh Steelers
Larry Fitzgerald Arizona Cardinals
BenJarvus Green-Ellis New England Patriots
James Hardy Buffalo Bills
Justin Harrell Green Bay Packers
Ryan Harris Denver Broncos
Devin Hester Chicago Bears
Steven Jackson Saint Louis Rams
Tyson Jackson Kansas City Chiefs
Greg Jennings Green Bay Packers
Felix Jones Dallas Cowboys
Walter Jones Seattle Seahawks
Dustin Keller New York Jets
Alex Magee Kansas City Chiefs
Curtis Martin New York Jets (Retired)
Turk McBride Kansas City Chiefs
Justin Miller Oakland Raiders
Roman Oben San Diego Chargers
Jarrad Page Kansas City Chiefs
Chris Perry Cincinnati Bengals
Jason Peters Buffalo Bills Client Info
Tracy Porter New Orleans Saints
Chilo Rachal San Francisco 49ers
Jay Richardson Oakland Raiders
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie Arizona Cardinals
Deion Sanders Baltimore Ravens (Retired)
Darell Scott St. Louis Rams
Richard Seymour New England Patriots
Corey Simon Tennessee Titans (Retired)
Emmitt Smith Dallas Cowboys (Retired)
Anthony Spencer Dallas Cowboys
Max Starks Pittsburgh Steelers
Joey Thomas Miami Dolphins
Lee Vickers Baltimore Ravens
Hines Ward Pittsburgh Steelers
Chauncey Washington Jacksonville Jaguars
Adrian Wilson Arizona Cardinals
Rod Woodson Oakland Raiders (Retired)

And many more retired players not listed.

I only put this list down to remind some of the board members that he is not an amateur. He's not going to be intimidated by Scot and Jed York, and he is going to get a big number one way or another for Crabtree. He's not a guy who goes into a contract situation blindly, and then grasps to figure out what to do. He wouldn't have a client list this long or powerful if he was clueless in this job.