Surprise, Surprise. Vernon got in another fight

With Davis is not not about his "toughness," it is about his ego. It has always been about his ego.

The best way for him to stoke his ego would be to learn to run disciplined, precise pass patterns so he can be available to catch the ball.

It sounds like Singletary definitely gave him an earful after yesterday, maybe that will send a message of correction. You don't need a guy constantly being a distraction when the team is trying to get important work done. Davis got into ANOTHER fight with a teammate and now the media is all over that instead of what he team is doing to improve. That is not acceptable but I am not holding my breath until Davis finally subverts his ego to the team goals. It has been three years now and he is still pretty much the same guy.

He is still maturing... Dont forget how young the guys actually is.

Surprise, surprise, puppy surprise...how many puppies are there inside?

Originally posted by aacadena:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
I thought he was over this phase. For those of us who played football, we know that sometimes during practice we would get into scuffles. But Vernon is supposed to be a team leader. For example, look at P Dub. He symbolizes what a team leader is. I´m tired of hearing about Vernon always fighting with his OWN teammates.

P.S. Crabpubes will sign...

Dude seriously put yourself in his shoes, in Camp for the Tenth day seeing nothing but dudes. Man i was in a Football Camp for 4 days and i was Dying for a Female. s**t like this is gonna happen. His nut is backing up, that's all it is..

That is complete crap. Every guy there is going through the same thing, but not everyone needs to make an ass out of themselves like VD.

It would be one thing if it happened once in a while. It can happen to anyone.

But when it ALWAYS happens with one guy, even days after he very publicly makes comments about how it's not going to happen this time, then it's a bigger issues about control, disipline, and maturity.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. This kid can't keep himself under control. Expecting anything else at this point would be absurd.

And that same lack of disipline is what leads to many of his problems on the football field.

You can dismiss this all you want, but when the same problem occurs time after time, the issue isn't so much the specific problem itself, but the persons inability to control their own actions.

It's not about the fighting, per se, it's about VD still not getting it and being willing or able to play team ball. Even when HE is the one saying that it shouldn't happen.

[ Edited by TexasNiner on Aug 7, 2009 at 08:26:21 ]

Vernon needs to keep his head on because these fights will be costing us yards

Originally posted by Loco49er:
Surprise, surprise, puppy surprise...how many puppies are there inside?

LMFAO!

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by aacadena:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
I thought he was over this phase. For those of us who played football, we know that sometimes during practice we would get into scuffles. But Vernon is supposed to be a team leader. For example, look at P Dub. He symbolizes what a team leader is. I´m tired of hearing about Vernon always fighting with his OWN teammates.

P.S. Crabpubes will sign...

Dude seriously put yourself in his shoes, in Camp for the Tenth day seeing nothing but dudes. Man i was in a Football Camp for 4 days and i was Dying for a Female. s**t like this is gonna happen. His nut is backing up, that's all it is..

That is complete crap. Every guy there is going through the same thing, but not everyone needs to make an ass out of themselves like VD.

It would be one thing if it happened once in a while. It can happen to anyone.

But when it ALWAYS happens with one guy, even days after he very publicly makes comments about how it's not going to happen this time, then it's a bigger issues about control, disipline, and maturity.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. This kid can't keep himself under control. Expecting anything else at this point would be absurd.

And that same lack of disipline is what leads to many of his problems on the football field.

You can dismiss this all you want, but when the same problem occurs time after time, the issue isn't so much the specific problem itself, but the persons inability to control their own actions.

It's not about the fighting, per se, it's about VD still not getting it and being willing or able to play team ball. Even when HE is the one saying that it shouldn't happen.

Complete crap? So your telling me that you never lived your life on emotions and on things that may be disturbing you, (now that might be reading too much into this) but come on now, you act like we are the only ones with a fight in Camp, Get over it, it happened and yes by a player KNOWN for his emotion, s**t the day we drafted him he was f**king crying. what do you expect? At least you know he has the will to be here unlike a player we just recently drafed.

But no let's tell Vernon to cool down becasue it's only football and he has brothers on the team. That's Mike Nolans way of running things.

And at least Singletary punished him and the whole team, so next time they might think twice before getting into a scuffle.

[ Edited by aacadena on Aug 7, 2009 at 09:02:48 ]

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by aacadena:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
I thought he was over this phase. For those of us who played football, we know that sometimes during practice we would get into scuffles. But Vernon is supposed to be a team leader. For example, look at P Dub. He symbolizes what a team leader is. I´m tired of hearing about Vernon always fighting with his OWN teammates.

P.S. Crabpubes will sign...

Dude seriously put yourself in his shoes, in Camp for the Tenth day seeing nothing but dudes. Man i was in a Football Camp for 4 days and i was Dying for a Female. s**t like this is gonna happen. His nut is backing up, that's all it is..

That is complete crap. Every guy there is going through the same thing, but not everyone needs to make an ass out of themselves like VD.

It would be one thing if it happened once in a while. It can happen to anyone.

But when it ALWAYS happens with one guy, even days after he very publicly makes comments about how it's not going to happen this time, then it's a bigger issues about control, disipline, and maturity.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. This kid can't keep himself under control. Expecting anything else at this point would be absurd.

And that same lack of disipline is what leads to many of his problems on the football field.

You can dismiss this all you want, but when the same problem occurs time after time, the issue isn't so much the specific problem itself, but the persons inability to control their own actions.

It's not about the fighting, per se, it's about VD still not getting it and being willing or able to play team ball. Even when HE is the one saying that it shouldn't happen.

The first step in being able to solve any problem, is recognizing you actually have a problem. As you pointed out, VD has done that.

Also remember change does not happen over night. Let's be serious. I don't care how sincere your intentions are, you don't go from scrappy doo, to zen master over night.

Ah screw it, tempers are hot around here... Let's just throw him under the bus with Crabs!

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
It is kind of a big deal. Not because it's a fight, or because of passion, and of course, these things happen.

But it matters because of this:

With another training camp starting Saturday, Davis said that this year he plans to keep his inner-Muhammad Ali under control. For one thing, Mike Singletary has no patience for fights in practice.

“I agree with [Coach Singletary],’’ Davis said. “I don’t think there should be fighting. We don’t have time for that. We need to move on and keep things moving and try to win games.”

Davis said that if players fight, Singletary will stop practice and make the whole team run. So the tight end vowed to keep his cool, even if he practiced with the same intensity.

“That’s behind me, but the one thing I can’t stop doing is being competitive,’’ David said. “That’s just who I am. I’m going to do my best not to lose.”


Just days ago, he made a committment to himself, the fans, his coach and the team to curb this behavior.

Now, at the very begining of camp, the first fight involves....who else....Vernon Davis.

It just goes to show how undiciplined, unfocused, selfish and frankly unintelligent he is a a person and a football player.

He will always let his emotions and own desires get the better of him. He seems incapable of putting the team first and being enough of a man to do what needs to be done, not what he wants to do or instinctively feels like he should do in a certain situation.

It's the same with his play on the field. If you just let him block, or catch a short pass and make moves, things that are mostly instinctual and physical, he does well.

But if you ask him to run routes, be precise, not make stupid penalties or showboat, he can't do it.

I'd rather have a guy with half his talent and twice as much between the ears over a hothead with talent like VD any day.

While I have been one of the fans who wants to see more from Davis than just his great potential this season ------ this fight wasn't the only one and it doesn't seem to be a very big deal to Singletary. So Davis and the team ran some conditioning crap.

Singltary doesn't sound to upset here:

I love Vernon Davis,” Singletary said. “Everybody thinks I hate the guy. I love the guy. I’m so thankful he’s on our team. The guy has so much passion and nobody works harder than he does.

I can't remember who it was now but I believe a couple of linemen shook up some dust also. Tempers in camp do happen. The main thing is in a game that Davis doesn't lose his cool and cost the team.

[ Edited by 49ERwhiner on Aug 7, 2009 at 10:01:04 ]

I doubt it will happen again this camp. Singletary kept true to his word and made everyone run sprints. Singletary wants Vernon to be the leader cause he is one of the hardest workers and doesn't give up. Vernon just recognized that his actions affected the whole team like they would on game day. Even to the point where Shaun Hill pointed it out in media session. It takes time for accountability to sink in, especially when you were commended for fighting in prior years under Nolan. It'll happen.

He's very emotional and this is the type of thing he's going to continue to do. You've got to take the good with the bad.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
It is kind of a big deal. Not because it's a fight, or because of passion, and of course, these things happen.

But it matters because of this:

With another training camp starting Saturday, Davis said that this year he plans to keep his inner-Muhammad Ali under control. For one thing, Mike Singletary has no patience for fights in practice.

“I agree with [Coach Singletary],’’ Davis said. “I don’t think there should be fighting. We don’t have time for that. We need to move on and keep things moving and try to win games.”

Davis said that if players fight, Singletary will stop practice and make the whole team run. So the tight end vowed to keep his cool, even if he practiced with the same intensity.

“That’s behind me, but the one thing I can’t stop doing is being competitive,’’ David said. “That’s just who I am. I’m going to do my best not to lose.”


Just days ago, he made a committment to himself, the fans, his coach and the team to curb this behavior.

Now, at the very begining of camp, the first fight involves....who else....Vernon Davis.

It just goes to show how undiciplined, unfocused, selfish and frankly unintelligent he is a a person and a football player.

He will always let his emotions and own desires get the better of him. He seems incapable of putting the team first and being enough of a man to do what needs to be done, not what he wants to do or instinctively feels like he should do in a certain situation.

It's the same with his play on the field. If you just let him block, or catch a short pass and make moves, things that are mostly instinctual and physical, he does well.

But if you ask him to run routes, be precise, not make stupid penalties or showboat, he can't do it.

I'd rather have a guy with half his talent and twice as much between the ears over a hothead with talent like VD any day.

These guys are just football players, not diplomatic embassadors. It is kind of silly to project physical scruffs in football practice to have such bigger meanings in every other spect of this guy's game. They are young men banging heads out there, and getting fired up. This isn't golf.

so?

I can't believe it. I thought Vernon Davis would be a surefire top TE when he came out of Maryland. He's just an absolute beast but he can't run routes. Wonder if Davis just needs a change of scenery. He just hasn't seemed comfortable in SF and the QB situation isn't making him any happier.

Fair to call Vernon Davis a bust if he doesn't have a solid this year? Who would you rather have Davis or the Raiders Zach Miller?

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[ Edited by KarlMoats on Aug 7, 2009 at 10:45:18 ]

The only issue I have with Vernon Davis and the fights he's involved in is that he's quick to start swinging rather than doing the usually grab and toss that most guys do when they fight on the field.