Paraag Marathe Thread

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/18/paraag-marathe-described-as-impediment-to-49ers-in-nfl-circles/

And according to a report from Pro Football Talk, Marathe's involvement in the power structure is considered an "impediment" to the club in league circles.

Despite the widespread popular belief that the 49ers are currently the most dysfunctional team in football, the thinking in league circles is that, with some tweaks, the G.M. and coaching jobs could be desirable. The impediment to attracting their preferred candidates isn't owner Jed York; apparently, it's Chief Strategy Officer and EVP of Football Operations Paraag Marathe.

Marathe is, as a practical matter, the Russ Brandon of the 49ers. The only difference is that the 49ers make no secret of Marathe's influence over the football operations.


Put simply, Marathe has influence, along with the ear of ownership. He's been there for 16 years, and he has transcended the bubble of accountability in which coaches and General Managers reside. And that's precisely the kind of dynamic coaches and General Managers try to avoid.

Shanahan is embracing it because, as his final package will demonstrate, he leveraged the team's desperation to his full advantage. Moving forward, however, it's an elephant in the room that may be serving as an oversized anchor.

NCommand, you're one of the better, more football-knowledgeable posters in here...why even bother posting anything from Florio or Kawakami? They both have their own anti-49ers agendas they display on a frequent basis (which exposes them negatively). Living here in the Bay Area all of my life, I unfortunately hear too much from Kawakami as it is, even though I try to avoid his mostly BS rhetoric at all costs. He's been offering it here unfortunately for quite awhile ever since he came to this area. He is a click-bait pro, I'll give him that. Whenever he's on CSN Bay Area, I just immediately turn the channel.

He (Kawakami) may not be a friend of the team but do you want a skeptic or a sycophant reporting on the team?

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by zonkers:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Somehow missed this in mid December. Wow. Much respect for 49ers' Exec Paraag Marathe:

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/821400937688367104

Yeah, it was on the WZ front page.

To be fair, there was probably far less traffic here in mid-December than there is right now. Positive news about a future exciting coach hire ->>>>> being in the middle of a terrible 13-game losing streak in a forgettable season.

Not surprised Schefter would congratulate the guy who leaks him all his information.

Originally posted by captveg:
Honestly, the anti-Marathe sentiment at the moment seems overly personal.

TK is so butthurt that Jed/Marathe were able to get a win again. (He was the same way when they were able to get Harbaugh and was able to get the stadium done). While TK has his moments, this certainly isn't one of them. None of these tweets he's sending out are based on having a source. They are all based on his gut and personal feelings about who Jed York and Paraag Marathe are as people. And in some ways he may be right. However, TK being SO anti-Jed York and anti-Marathe to this degree just betrays his extremely prejudiced and subjective view of the situation. Even if - IF - Shanahan somehow made demands about Marathe's role in such an abrasive manner, there's no reason to think they'd ever publicly disclose it.

I mean, to TK it's not possible - to any degree - that the lack of GM matchups for McDaniels relative to Shanahan was the primary factor in Shanny getting the job. No, it has to be a negative reason (McDaniels hates Marathe) rather than a positive reason (more GM candidates wanted to work with Shanahan).

So what that does is allow TK to throw all this spaghetti at the wall, and then one of two things happens: 1. Years down the road there is conflict, and TK gets to play the "I called it" game that it would all fall apart. 2. Years down the road the relationship between Shanahan/GM/Marathe/York is harmonious, and TK gets to play the "I called it" game by insinuating that Shanahan put Marathe/York in their place.

Of course, reality is that if all parties end up spending years in harmony and success it's probably because they all rationally and calmly discussed what the roles would be, and whatever the roles are are the ones they ended up staying within. But there's no clickbait drama with such realities, so Conspiracy Theory Kawakami is what we get.

You have a lot of statements based on zero sources. One thing is for sure, TK is very in the know of 49ers happenings and he has been correct far more than incorrect.

You gave an explanation for why McDaniels opted out but why did Caserio opt out? I could just as well assume that he did not want to be under Marathe if Marathe was going to dabble in football decisions.

Also, all articles on Paraage place him with dabbling in football decisions or in a football related role that is separate from contract negotiations. Nobody has anything personal against him. It is about the 49ers suckage in the most of the last 15 years and Paraage is a key player in that suckage yet holds zero accountability.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
NCommand, you're one of the better, more football-knowledgeable posters in here...why even bother posting anything from Florio or Kawakami? They both have their own anti-49ers agendas they display on a frequent basis (which exposes them negatively). Living here in the Bay Area all of my life, I unfortunately hear too much from Kawakami as it is, even though I try to avoid his mostly BS rhetoric at all costs. He's been offering it here unfortunately for quite awhile ever since he came to this area. He is a click-bait pro, I'll give him that. Whenever he's on CSN Bay Area, I just immediately turn the channel.

Thank you...and agreed. However, there has been big time concerns about his "meddlings" and role within this organization that, if you go back and read through this thread, is VERY concerning esp. if we not only want to start heading in the right direction, but stay there.

Let's see how it all plays out. It's obvious both Paraag and Jed have done things they would rather take back leading up to this point. Let's see if Paraag will focus on what he does best in negotiating contracts/keeping the team out of salary cap hell. Ian Rapoport, whom I respect and trust far more than a Florio or Kawakami, recently mentioned that Paraag has a great deal of respect around the league - again, in doing what he does best.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by captveg:
Honestly, the anti-Marathe sentiment at the moment seems overly personal.

TK is so butthurt that Jed/Marathe were able to get a win again. (He was the same way when they were able to get Harbaugh and was able to get the stadium done). While TK has his moments, this certainly isn't one of them. None of these tweets he's sending out are based on having a source. They are all based on his gut and personal feelings about who Jed York and Paraag Marathe are as people. And in some ways he may be right. However, TK being SO anti-Jed York and anti-Marathe to this degree just betrays his extremely prejudiced and subjective view of the situation. Even if - IF - Shanahan somehow made demands about Marathe's role in such an abrasive manner, there's no reason to think they'd ever publicly disclose it.

I mean, to TK it's not possible - to any degree - that the lack of GM matchups for McDaniels relative to Shanahan was the primary factor in Shanny getting the job. No, it has to be a negative reason (McDaniels hates Marathe) rather than a positive reason (more GM candidates wanted to work with Shanahan).

So what that does is allow TK to throw all this spaghetti at the wall, and then one of two things happens: 1. Years down the road there is conflict, and TK gets to play the "I called it" game that it would all fall apart. 2. Years down the road the relationship between Shanahan/GM/Marathe/York is harmonious, and TK gets to play the "I called it" game by insinuating that Shanahan put Marathe/York in their place.

Of course, reality is that if all parties end up spending years in harmony and success it's probably because they all rationally and calmly discussed what the roles would be, and whatever the roles are are the ones they ended up staying within. But there's no clickbait drama with such realities, so Conspiracy Theory Kawakami is what we get.

You have a lot of statements based on zero sources. One thing is for sure, TK is very in the know of 49ers happenings and he has been correct far more than incorrect.

You gave an explanation for why McDaniels opted out but why did Caserio opt out? I could just as well assume that he did not want to be under Marathe if Marathe was going to dabble in football decisions.

Also, all articles on Paraage place him with dabbling in football decisions or in a football related role that is separate from contract negotiations. Nobody has anything personal against him. It is about the 49ers suckage in the most of the last 15 years and Paraage is a key player in that suckage yet holds zero accountability.

Biderman, TK, and Florio may very well be right. But, as journalists, I expect them to cite sources and specific examples, otherwise it's not reporting.

Media just hating on paraag becuase he's a foreigner running a team in an American sport.

Originally posted by zonkers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by captveg:
Honestly, the anti-Marathe sentiment at the moment seems overly personal.

TK is so butthurt that Jed/Marathe were able to get a win again. (He was the same way when they were able to get Harbaugh and was able to get the stadium done). While TK has his moments, this certainly isn't one of them. None of these tweets he's sending out are based on having a source. They are all based on his gut and personal feelings about who Jed York and Paraag Marathe are as people. And in some ways he may be right. However, TK being SO anti-Jed York and anti-Marathe to this degree just betrays his extremely prejudiced and subjective view of the situation. Even if - IF - Shanahan somehow made demands about Marathe's role in such an abrasive manner, there's no reason to think they'd ever publicly disclose it.

I mean, to TK it's not possible - to any degree - that the lack of GM matchups for McDaniels relative to Shanahan was the primary factor in Shanny getting the job. No, it has to be a negative reason (McDaniels hates Marathe) rather than a positive reason (more GM candidates wanted to work with Shanahan).

So what that does is allow TK to throw all this spaghetti at the wall, and then one of two things happens: 1. Years down the road there is conflict, and TK gets to play the "I called it" game that it would all fall apart. 2. Years down the road the relationship between Shanahan/GM/Marathe/York is harmonious, and TK gets to play the "I called it" game by insinuating that Shanahan put Marathe/York in their place.

Of course, reality is that if all parties end up spending years in harmony and success it's probably because they all rationally and calmly discussed what the roles would be, and whatever the roles are are the ones they ended up staying within. But there's no clickbait drama with such realities, so Conspiracy Theory Kawakami is what we get.

You have a lot of statements based on zero sources. One thing is for sure, TK is very in the know of 49ers happenings and he has been correct far more than incorrect.

You gave an explanation for why McDaniels opted out but why did Caserio opt out? I could just as well assume that he did not want to be under Marathe if Marathe was going to dabble in football decisions.

Also, all articles on Paraage place him with dabbling in football decisions or in a football related role that is separate from contract negotiations. Nobody has anything personal against him. It is about the 49ers suckage in the most of the last 15 years and Paraage is a key player in that suckage yet holds zero accountability.

Biderman, TK, and Florio may very well be right. But, as journalists, I expect them to cite sources and specific examples, otherwise it's not reporting.

They don't need to site sources if it could get someone fired. One thing is for sure, no matter how much it has pissed off 49ers fans, TK has been spot on a lot about the mess in the front office of the 49ers.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
He (Kawakami) may not be a friend of the team but do you want a skeptic or a sycophant reporting on the team?

I want a journalist who can be objective in reporting on my teams that I've followed my entire life here in the Bay Area: Niners (#1), Giants, Warriors, and Sharks. Yes, be critical where warranted but also give credit where credit's due. He doesn't do a good enough job in being objective; rather, time and time again it's often a negative slant to fit his narrative to, I don't know, maybe fulfill a personal agenda or maybe it's just for click-bait. I don't know but I'm not a fan after many, many years of being exposed to his stuff here in the Bay Area. Don't want to derail this thread to talk about the local media...that requires a thread on its own (I follow Barrows and Maiocco locally re: 49ers info).

I gotta say...the constant b***hing and whining is getting really exhausting about the niners. We all know how much jed sucks....we all know paraag is a big problem. But the Kawakamis and Florios just spend every second beating it to the ground. As much as it pains me to say it...if Jed lands any of the remaining 4 GM candidates, then he absolutely nailed it this offseason and deserves credit. Yes, we're in this position because of him, but he's on the way to fixing it if he stays out of the way.

I also could care less who was the #1 option between Mcdaniels and Shanahan. What teams always land their top choice and to be honest...I prefer shanahan anyway

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by captveg:
Honestly, the anti-Marathe sentiment at the moment seems overly personal.

TK is so butthurt that Jed/Marathe were able to get a win again. (He was the same way when they were able to get Harbaugh and was able to get the stadium done). While TK has his moments, this certainly isn't one of them. None of these tweets he's sending out are based on having a source. They are all based on his gut and personal feelings about who Jed York and Paraag Marathe are as people. And in some ways he may be right. However, TK being SO anti-Jed York and anti-Marathe to this degree just betrays his extremely prejudiced and subjective view of the situation. Even if - IF - Shanahan somehow made demands about Marathe's role in such an abrasive manner, there's no reason to think they'd ever publicly disclose it.

I mean, to TK it's not possible - to any degree - that the lack of GM matchups for McDaniels relative to Shanahan was the primary factor in Shanny getting the job. No, it has to be a negative reason (McDaniels hates Marathe) rather than a positive reason (more GM candidates wanted to work with Shanahan).

So what that does is allow TK to throw all this spaghetti at the wall, and then one of two things happens: 1. Years down the road there is conflict, and TK gets to play the "I called it" game that it would all fall apart. 2. Years down the road the relationship between Shanahan/GM/Marathe/York is harmonious, and TK gets to play the "I called it" game by insinuating that Shanahan put Marathe/York in their place.

Of course, reality is that if all parties end up spending years in harmony and success it's probably because they all rationally and calmly discussed what the roles would be, and whatever the roles are are the ones they ended up staying within. But there's no clickbait drama with such realities, so Conspiracy Theory Kawakami is what we get.

You have a lot of statements based on zero sources. One thing is for sure, TK is very in the know of 49ers happenings and he has been correct far more than incorrect.

You gave an explanation for why McDaniels opted out but why did Caserio opt out? I could just as well assume that he did not want to be under Marathe if Marathe was going to dabble in football decisions.

Also, all articles on Paraage place him with dabbling in football decisions or in a football related role that is separate from contract negotiations. Nobody has anything personal against him. It is about the 49ers suckage in the most of the last 15 years and Paraage is a key player in that suckage yet holds zero accountability.

I wasn't saying it was a definitive reason. I was simply pointing out one of the possible positive reasons for SF going with Shanny over McDaniels (one that has been suggested by others in the media), and that TK NEVER considers things occurring due to a positive angle. TK always thinks all results are because of negative actions.

Only Casario knows why he opted out. But again, why assume it's absolutely because of a negative reason?

Yes, Marathe has got heat in the past for not being good at some football related roles he has participated in. That doesn't mean he'll participate in those roles again, or even wants to. I know I've done work before that I wasn't as successful at as part of my job that later was handed over to someone else who had a better knack for it, and I was totally fine with that because I just wasn't a good fit for it. Who's to say that Marathe doesn't feel the same way about some of the things he's been involved with over the years?

My main problem with TK is that he always - ALWAYS - sees the worst in people. It's a very sad way to go about life. People are complicated creatures, and people have multiple motivations for why they make the choices they do. And those choices are not made out of negative conclusions 100% of the time like TK always suggests. Even in business.

Originally posted by Niners418:
I gotta say...the constant b***hing and whining is getting really exhausting about the niners. We all know how much jed sucks....we all know paraag is a big problem. But the Kawakamis and Florios just spend every second beating it to the ground. As much as it pains me to say it...if Jed lands any of the remaining 4 GM candidates, then he absolutely nailed it this offseason and deserves credit. Yes, we're in this position because of him, but he's on the way to fixing it if he stays out of the way.

I also could care less who was the #1 option between Mcdaniels and Shanahan. What teams always land their top choice and to be honest...I prefer shanahan anyway

This - good post.

Originally posted by Niners418:
I gotta say...the constant b***hing and whining is getting really exhausting about the niners. We all know how much jed sucks....we all know paraag is a big problem. But the Kawakamis and Florios just spend every second beating it to the ground.

It reminds me a LOT about how the movie/comic book fan sites constantly have to couch DC movie news in a negative light. There's a lot of confirmation bias out there.

Here's a great video about how this cycle works and gets exaggerated by media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t6owM_4Yiw

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by captveg:
Honestly, the anti-Marathe sentiment at the moment seems overly personal.

TK is so butthurt that Jed/Marathe were able to get a win again. (He was the same way when they were able to get Harbaugh and was able to get the stadium done). While TK has his moments, this certainly isn't one of them. None of these tweets he's sending out are based on having a source. They are all based on his gut and personal feelings about who Jed York and Paraag Marathe are as people. And in some ways he may be right. However, TK being SO anti-Jed York and anti-Marathe to this degree just betrays his extremely prejudiced and subjective view of the situation. Even if - IF - Shanahan somehow made demands about Marathe's role in such an abrasive manner, there's no reason to think they'd ever publicly disclose it.

I mean, to TK it's not possible - to any degree - that the lack of GM matchups for McDaniels relative to Shanahan was the primary factor in Shanny getting the job. No, it has to be a negative reason (McDaniels hates Marathe) rather than a positive reason (more GM candidates wanted to work with Shanahan).

So what that does is allow TK to throw all this spaghetti at the wall, and then one of two things happens: 1. Years down the road there is conflict, and TK gets to play the "I called it" game that it would all fall apart. 2. Years down the road the relationship between Shanahan/GM/Marathe/York is harmonious, and TK gets to play the "I called it" game by insinuating that Shanahan put Marathe/York in their place.

Of course, reality is that if all parties end up spending years in harmony and success it's probably because they all rationally and calmly discussed what the roles would be, and whatever the roles are are the ones they ended up staying within. But there's no clickbait drama with such realities, so Conspiracy Theory Kawakami is what we get.

You have a lot of statements based on zero sources. One thing is for sure, TK is very in the know of 49ers happenings and he has been correct far more than incorrect.

You gave an explanation for why McDaniels opted out but why did Caserio opt out? I could just as well assume that he did not want to be under Marathe if Marathe was going to dabble in football decisions.

Also, all articles on Paraage place him with dabbling in football decisions or in a football related role that is separate from contract negotiations. Nobody has anything personal against him. It is about the 49ers suckage in the most of the last 15 years and Paraage is a key player in that suckage yet holds zero accountability.

I wasn't saying it was a definitive reason. I was simply pointing out one of the possible positive reasons for SF going with Shanny over McDaniels (one that has been suggested by others in the media), and that TK NEVER considers things occurring due to a positive angle. TK always thinks all results are because of negative actions.

Only Casario knows why he opted out. But again, why assume it's absolutely because of a negative reason?

Yes, Marathe has got heat in the past for not being good at some football related roles he has participated in. That doesn't mean he'll participate in those roles again, or even wants to. I know I've done work before that I wasn't as successful at as part of my job that later was handed over to someone else who had a better knack for it, and I was totally fine with that because I just wasn't a good fit for it. Who's to say that Marathe doesn't feel the same way about some of the things he's been involved with over the years?

My main problem with TK is that he always - ALWAYS - sees the worst in people. It's a very sad way to go about life. People are complicated creatures, and people have multiple motivations for why they make the choices they do. And those choices are not made out of negative conclusions 100% of the time like TK always suggests. Even in business.

Gregg Cossell is hardly a guy who speaks super positives when he evaluates but he definitely will let you know when a player or coach doesn't have it. And guess what, he has been correct on a lot of his assessments.

Just because someone is negative doesn't mean they are wrong or their word should be discounted. TK has been correct on so many 49ers happenings and he has never shifted away from what he knows about Paraag.

I'm not one who wants to cover my eyes. People have demanded/asked to know what role Paraag has in the organization but those questions get ignored or avoided. That's fishy right there. If Paraag has a solid role, then why can't it be explained? When things are fishy, it means people are not doing what they are supposed to be doing.


All 49ers fans should want to know what the specific roles of this guy are because he may have held a big part in driving out Harbaugh and could hold a big part in driving out Shannahan. One good coach left because of weird things happening with Admin. Paraag is in Admin so our 49ers could once again f**k it all up.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Niners418:
I gotta say...the constant b***hing and whining is getting really exhausting about the niners. We all know how much jed sucks....we all know paraag is a big problem. But the Kawakamis and Florios just spend every second beating it to the ground. As much as it pains me to say it...if Jed lands any of the remaining 4 GM candidates, then he absolutely nailed it this offseason and deserves credit. Yes, we're in this position because of him, but he's on the way to fixing it if he stays out of the way.

I also could care less who was the #1 option between Mcdaniels and Shanahan. What teams always land their top choice and to be honest...I prefer shanahan anyway

This - good post.

Once the new coach and GM are actually working every day, if they find Paraag to be a cancer, it will be this same b******t all over again. This is what they are saying (and hinting was an issue with the past few coaches and GM). I honestly don't know much about this guy and have no idea whats truth or exagerrated or anything other than he does the contracts and does them well.

I would imagine the coach and GM say we want this FA, go sign him. If he says no it doesn't match my cap space algorithm who wins? lol Again i have no idea how their workflow is.

Originally posted by susweel:
Media just hating on paraag becuase he's ruining a team in an American sport.

fify