Paraag Marathe Thread

Originally posted by Joecool:

I agree. But he needs to stay out of football meetings and do what he's good at which is signing who Lynch tells him to.

Why? If I was in his shoes I'd wanna be in every meeting.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Joecool:

I agree. But he needs to stay out of football meetings and do what he's good at which is signing who Lynch tells him to.

Why? If I was in his shoes I'd wanna be in every meeting.

Hes a lot smarter and more qualified than Jed, thats for sure.

He even said his job is to negotiate contracts, and present Lynch with information that he can use, or toss at his discretion. Hes not making or lobbying to make football decisions.

Marathe's standing with the fans goes up and down with the team's fortunes. When Harbaugh was here and the team was winning, no one really cared about Marathe and opinions were mostly neutral. When the management failures started to pile up, Marathe came under increasing suspicion and blame. It's human nature to invent explanations for things we can't understand. Suspicions become facts in some people's minds, and opinions become calcified.

I don't see any hard evidence that Marathe was the source of management's failures. Looking back on it now, I'd lay the blame on Jed's inability to manage the conflict between Baalke and Harbaugh and, ultimately, picking the wrong guy. Baalke and Harbaugh have a major stake in the blame for being inflexible and unable to manage their own egos, but Harbaugh at least has talent and ability. Marathe may have been a part of the dysfunction in that front office, because he was there, but I see no objective evidence that he was as influential as some paint him to be.

Originally posted by 16to87:

Originally posted by Niners99:
But what about the interview raised a red flag for you? Other than your general disbelief of his character?

Paarag interviews well and suddenly all his past meddling goes away? It was a pure PR piece to repair his image to fans. Look at the record over the York ownership to see his true character. He is an enabler to bad owner ship.

He wasn't that great. Its a good interview. But no one will confuse him for John Lynch.

Talking is easy. Lets see how the season and seasons go. Do the team and front office show improvement (it's definitely symbiotic). Like i said - Paraag could be a huge jack ass, but its not like it is in his best interest to see this fail. My guess is it works out well since Lynch is very approachable and honest. He needs Paraag for the contracts. It could end up being great. Does Paraag respect their space ? Time will tell. Ive heard stories about his overextending on football stuff, but has any of that ever been proven?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Talking is easy. Lets see how the season and seasons go. Do the team and front office show improvement (it's definitely symbiotic). Like i said - Paraag could be a huge jack ass, but its not like it is in his best interest to see this fail. My guess is it works out well since Lynch is very approachable and honest. He needs Paraag for the contracts. It could end up being great. Does Paraag respect their space ? Time will tell. Ive heard stories about his overextending on football stuff, but has any of that ever been proven?

Stories from who though? Tim Kawakami?

Originally posted by Karma:
I remember him as the hero that came in and saved this franchise from Salary cap hell. He was considered a conquering hero every time a new contract was signed. Was there a moment when the script flipped? I know he has been accused of many things from meddling to PR sabotage, but what has he specifically done to earn the weasel reputation? This is a serious question.

he has done a great job with contracts. We have $105M in cap space...problem is, we aren't very good.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Talking is easy. Lets see how the season and seasons go. Do the team and front office show improvement (it's definitely symbiotic). Like i said - Paraag could be a huge jack ass, but its not like it is in his best interest to see this fail. My guess is it works out well since Lynch is very approachable and honest. He needs Paraag for the contracts. It could end up being great. Does Paraag respect their space ? Time will tell. Ive heard stories about his overextending on football stuff, but has any of that ever been proven?

Stories from who though? Tim Kawakami?

This post covers various articles from all over the place: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/139286-paraag-marathe-thread/page87/#post1299

Originally posted by Lifer:
Marathe's standing with the fans goes up and down with the team's fortunes. When Harbaugh was here and the team was winning, no one really cared about Marathe and opinions were mostly neutral. When the management failures started to pile up, Marathe came under increasing suspicion and blame. It's human nature to invent explanations for things we can't understand. Suspicions become facts in some people's minds, and opinions become calcified.

I don't see any hard evidence that Marathe was the source of management's failures. Looking back on it now, I'd lay the blame on Jed's inability to manage the conflict between Baalke and Harbaugh and, ultimately, picking the wrong guy. Baalke and Harbaugh have a major stake in the blame for being inflexible and unable to manage their own egos, but Harbaugh at least has talent and ability. Marathe may have been a part of the dysfunction in that front office, because he was there, but I see no objective evidence that he was as influential as some paint him to be.

His "meddling" goes back to Bill Walsh, Mike Singletary, Jim Harbaugh, etc. Perhaps one of the reasons Baalke was elevated to GM was b/c he had a similar money ball mindset (his own comments seem to line up)...or maybe he was hamstrung by an EVP of Football Operations who's sole task was to make the Yorks money and manage the budget (including the cap). You can see money ball in everything we do going back to John York's 'you pay for your own water' debacle...the antithesis to Eddie D. Paraag has been talked about for a long time. But b/c he's never in the limelight, never speaks to football operations (despite the title) but does interviews, we've had to rely on various sources (including some reputable ones; local ones). Truth is, he's like the Smoking Man in the X-Files. Who really knows what power he REALLY has, what his TRUE intentions are, and where he goes from here. Either way, he seems like a nice man, loves the 49ers and is clearly the best cap guru in the biz. Lynch doesn't appear much into the analytics/money ball (I remember an interview where he even chuckled at the question and said he doesn't plan to use much of it) and will rely more on his football acumen but he won't ignore it either if Paraag/Hampton and their team bring something useful to the table.

Originally posted by NCommand:
This post covers various articles from all over the place: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/139286-paraag-marathe-thread/page87/#post1299

And its was debunked one post later.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I knew someone was not going to read what I wrote. Every article is based on a "source" based on a rumor. Covered it. Over the last 13 years, the author of this crap was Kawakami.

An anonymous critic, a anonymous source, and unnamed source, a mysterious shadowy figure, a guy in a trench coat and black hat.

See here's my issue; people who have gone on the record to critique or praise Marathe are on the record. Every article that sources a "secret anonymous source" should be treated with the same skepticism as John Lynch saying "bad wrap." I find it amazing that someone who's thought of as straightforward needs to suddenly lie to us all. Just a little too convenient no? Or are people willing to at all question that the whisper campaign is all there is.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This post covers various articles from all over the place: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/139286-paraag-marathe-thread/page87/#post1299

And its was debunked one post later.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I knew someone was not going to read what I wrote. Every article is based on a "source" based on a rumor. Covered it. Over the last 13 years, the author of this crap was Kawakami.

An anonymous critic, a anonymous source, and unnamed source, a mysterious shadowy figure, a guy in a trench coat and black hat.

See here's my issue; people who have gone on the record to critique or praise Marathe are on the record. Every article that sources a "secret anonymous source" should be treated with the same skepticism as John Lynch saying "bad wrap." I find it amazing that someone who's thought of as straightforward needs to suddenly lie to us all. Just a little too convenient no? Or are people willing to at all question that the whisper campaign is all there is.

Wrong! http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/139286-paraag-marathe-thread/page87/#post1299 covers about 10 different articles from all over the map (not just Kawakami):

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/csp/mediapool/sites/PressDemocrat/News/story.csp?cid=2061822&sid=555&fid=181
http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/11/19/9698608/paraag-marathe-the-man-behind-the-curtain
http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/49ers-demise-not-just-the-fault-of-jed-trent-jimmy-tom-and-kap/
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jim-harbaughs-relationship-with-49ers-brass-is-getting-worse/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/04/reports-49ers-demoting-team-president-paraag-marathe/
http://ninernoise.com/2015/12/04/49ers-reassign-paraag-marathe-from-president-role-per-report/
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/24/5442024/jim-harbaugh-san-francisco-49ers-cleveland-browns-trade
http://archives.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/offensive-line/Content?oid=2158707
http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/26/gridiron_guru/

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Lifer:

Marathe's standing with the fans goes up and down with the team's fortunes. When Harbaugh was here and the team was winning, no one really cared about Marathe and opinions were mostly neutral. When the management failures started to pile up, Marathe came under increasing suspicion and blame. It's human nature to invent explanations for things we can't understand. Suspicions become facts in some people's minds, and opinions become calcified.

I don't see any hard evidence that Marathe was the source of management's failures. Looking back on it now, I'd lay the blame on Jed's inability to manage the conflict between Baalke and Harbaugh and, ultimately, picking the wrong guy. Baalke and Harbaugh have a major stake in the blame for being inflexible and unable to manage their own egos, but Harbaugh at least has talent and ability. Marathe may have been a part of the dysfunction in that front office, because he was there, but I see no objective evidence that he was as influential as some paint him to be.

His "meddling" goes back to Bill Walsh, Mike Singletary, Jim Harbaugh, etc. Perhaps one of the reasons Baalke was elevated to GM was b/c he had a similar money ball mindset (his own comments seem to line up)...or maybe he was hamstrung by an EVP of Football Operations who's sole task was to make the Yorks money and manage the budget (including the cap). You can see money ball in everything we do going back to John York's 'you pay for your own water' debacle...the antithesis to Eddie D. Paraag has been talked about for a long time. But b/c he's never in the limelight, never speaks to football operations (despite the title) but does interviews, we've had to rely on various sources (including some reputable ones; local ones). Truth is, he's like the Smoking Man in the X-Files. Who really knows what power he REALLY has, what his TRUE intentions are, and where he goes from here. Either way, he seems like a nice man, loves the 49ers and is clearly the best cap guru in the biz. Lynch doesn't appear much into the analytics/money ball (I remember an interview where he even chuckled at the question and said he doesn't plan to use much of it) and will rely more on his football acumen but he won't ignore it either if Paraag/Hampton and their team bring something useful to the table.

"Meddling", or providing information for coaches to use, and when they rely on it and we don't do well, Paraag is to blame?

Youre right, Lynch isnt an analytics guy, and hes not someone to be controlled. So if Paraag has such power, why would he have been ok with Lynch being hired, who probably wont be influenced much by him?

People keep trying to justify the 49ers ineptitude with some idea that there's a virus that's causing the "lack-of-dynasty-itis", and it needs to be removed. Paraag is an easy scapegoat because people dont know much about him, he looks like a car salesman, and we know he has sway with ownership.

Originally posted by Niners99:
"Meddling", or providing information for coaches to use, and when they rely on it and we don't do well, Paraag is to blame?

Youre right, Lynch isnt an analytics guy, and hes not someone to be controlled. So if Paraag has such power, why would he have been ok with Lynch being hired, who probably wont be influenced much by him?

People keep trying to justify the 49ers ineptitude with some idea that there's a virus that's causing the "lack-of-dynasty-itis", and it needs to be removed. Paraag is an easy scapegoat because people dont know much about him, he looks like a car salesman, and we know he has sway with ownership.

Read for yourself. http://www.chatsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/a/Paraag-Marathe-The-man-behind-the-curtain-2-11962260/

Actually this whole thread is terrific if you read through it...about as much info as you can get about the Smoking Man...but I'll let you come to your own conclusions.

Me? I'm just skeptical that the money ball mentality (of which he was hired for; finances) and title/power he's been entrusted with puts him in a position of influence with York backings...even on the football side...which has certainly caused some raised eyebrows and abrasion.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Read for yourself. http://www.chatsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/a/Paraag-Marathe-The-man-behind-the-curtain-2-11962260/

Actually this whole thread is terrific if you read through it...about as much info as you can get about the Smoking Man...but I'll let you come to your own conclusions.

Me? I'm just skeptical that the money ball mentality (of which he was hired for; finances) and title/power he's been entrusted with puts him in a position of influence with York backings...even on the football side...which has certainly caused some raised eyebrows and abrasion.

Socalisteph

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Read for yourself. http://www.chatsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/a/Paraag-Marathe-The-man-behind-the-curtain-2-11962260/

Actually this whole thread is terrific if you read through it...about as much info as you can get about the Smoking Man...but I'll let you come to your own conclusions.

Me? I'm just skeptical that the money ball mentality (of which he was hired for; finances) and title/power he's been entrusted with puts him in a position of influence with York backings...even on the football side...which has certainly caused some raised eyebrows and abrasion.

Socalisteph

I exposed who she was in earlier posts. She likes to tweet "breaking news" on the Niners (often proved worse than Cole).

She was all-in on the Gamble/Cable combo.