Paraag Marathe Thread

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
If this man can find a way to extend Buckner and Kittle, resign Armstead, Sanders, and Blair, and still be poised to re-up our FAs next year (I think Juice is the biggest one), he is truly a salary cap god.

Yeah, I just looked at it all this morning in the Team Information thread...I just don't see how it's even possible even with some massive restructures in bigger contracts like JG. We need to clear $62M to keep our guys and that's without signing Ward and Sanders.

Yeah if we re-sign Armstead one or both (Sanders/Ward) are probably not returning. I'd still take that trade off though.

That became abundantly clear to me as well.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

If this man can find a way to extend Buckner and Kittle, resign Armstead, Sanders, and Blair, and still be poised to re-up our FAs next year (I think Juice is the biggest one), he is truly a salary cap god.

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Yeah, I just looked at it all this morning in the Team Information thread...I just don't see how it's even possible even with some massive restructures in bigger contracts like JG. We need to clear $62M to keep our guys and that's without signing Ward and Sanders.

Yeah if we re-sign Armstead one or both (Sanders/Ward) are probably not returning. I'd still take that trade off though.

That became abundantly clear to me as well.

The way it was explained though was that Kittle/Buckner extensions wouldn't count against the cap this year and if they actually work out a Ltd for AA the same applies. I don't think they need to clear 62mil. I do agree that all 3 don't get resigned. I could see them going with Moore at FS. Not sure the plan with sanders

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

The way it was explained though was that Kittle/Buckner extensions wouldn't count against the cap this year and if they actually work out a Ltd for AA the same applies. I don't think they need to clear 62mil. I do agree that all 3 don't get resigned. I could see them going with Moore at FS. Not sure the plan with sanders

Huh. AA is an UFA, so I would imagine, whatever he signs for, that APY hits instantly. Same would be for Sanders and Ward. To your point, Kittle and Buckner are currently on the books so it would be the difference in what they currently are on the books for vs. the new APY (which helps).

In short, we'll need to clear $39M with our current cap space which includes the Buckner/Kittle extensions and their differences in APY.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Huh. AA is an UFA, so I would imagine, whatever he signs for, that APY hits instantly. Same would be for Sanders and Ward. To your point, Kittle and Buckner are currently on the books so it would be the difference in what they currently are on the books for vs. the new APY (which helps).

In short, we'll need to clear $39M with our current cap space which includes the Buckner/Kittle extensions and their differences in APY.

Don't know, it was mentioned by AB when discussing FT vs LTD, but could have misunderstood. my point being, they don't need to clear 62mil to resign guys AND extend Kittle and Buckner

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

If this man can find a way to extend Buckner and Kittle, resign Armstead, Sanders, and Blair, and still be poised to re-up our FAs next year (I think Juice is the biggest one), he is truly a salary cap god.

Yeah, I just looked at it all this morning in the Team Information thread...I just don't see how it's even possible even with some massive restructures in bigger contracts like JG. We need to clear $62M to keep our guys and that's without signing Ward and Sanders.

Didn't they spend $20 million under the cap for several years in a row?

What happened to that $80+ million they could have rolled over? Have they been spending over the cap in recent years?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Don't know, it was mentioned by AB when discussing FT vs LTD, but could have misunderstood. my point being, they don't need to clear 62mil to resign guys AND extend Kittle and Buckner

Correct! I should have clarified the $62... that's not including current cap space or differences in extensions and includes all our primary key FA's...UFA's, ERFA's, RFA's, etc. Really, need to clear $39M roughly. That's certainly more doable.

BTW, I need to review AB's article again...been a minute. He had a nice strategy for fitting us under and signing most as well.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Didn't they spend $20 million under the cap for several years in a row?

What happened to that $80+ million they could have rolled over? Have they been spending over the cap in recent years?

Yeah, we typically were rolling over roughly $25M annually. But with big upfront money for McKinnon, Garoppolo, Ford, and others, that's not the case anymore. Prior to last year, we only had 1 player making over $10M. Now I believe we have 4 and soon to be 7. For perspective, that's the most in the NFL.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

If this man can find a way to extend Buckner and Kittle, resign Armstead, Sanders, and Blair, and still be poised to re-up our FAs next year (I think Juice is the biggest one), he is truly a salary cap god.

Paraag will find a way to pay both, and somehow use other teams' payrolls to fund the deals.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Didn't they spend $20 million under the cap for several years in a row?

What happened to that $80+ million they could have rolled over? Have they been spending over the cap in recent years?

Yeah, we typically were rolling over roughly $25M annually. But with big upfront money for McKinnon, Garoppolo, Ford, and others, that's not the case anymore. Prior to last year, we only had 1 player making over $10M. Now I believe we have 4 and soon to be 7. For perspective, that's the most in the NFL.

So if they saved $25 million for four years, shouldn't they be able to exceed the cap by $25 million for the next four years?

Man that Jett contract was pretty bad.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Didn't they spend $20 million under the cap for several years in a row?

What happened to that $80+ million they could have rolled over? Have they been spending over the cap in recent years?

Yeah, we typically were rolling over roughly $25M annually. But with big upfront money for McKinnon, Garoppolo, Ford, and others, that's not the case anymore. Prior to last year, we only had 1 player making over $10M. Now I believe we have 4 and soon to be 7. For perspective, that's the most in the NFL.

So if they saved $25 million for four years, shouldn't they be able to exceed the cap by $25 million for the next four years?

Man that Jett contract was pretty bad.

Kind of. They were always top 5 in cap space because they'd roll over $25M plus their own annual cap space. $50M+ a year. But they took advantage of that extra cap space and paid contracts up front so that the APY cap hits going forward would be less.

Basically, our FQB is paid for. They paid $37M out right away. He's now 10th and soon to be closer to 15th after this off season. Imagine having to pay Mahomes $40M soon.

But that's where much of that rollover went too. JG, McKinnon, Richburg, Staley, Ford, Alexander, Ward & AA's 5th year option...soon to be Kittle & Buckner.

It's exhausted now. Now we're in that 2012 window where we have a Championship roster and need to make tough choices and get creative to maintain it.

The dollar amount of contracts in the NFL isn't really important. What matters are the number of years, guaranteed money, option clauses and stuff like that. Jimmy's contract looked huge on the surface when it was signed but it was really team friendly. The Niners could get out of it with very little cap hit after next year. Not saying they will. I'm just using it as an example.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

The dollar amount of contracts in the NFL isn't really important. What matters are the number of years, guaranteed money, option clauses and stuff like that. Jimmy's contract looked huge on the surface when it was signed but it was really team friendly. The Niners could get out of it with very little cap hit after next year. Not saying they will. I'm just using it as an example.

Totally.

Work your magic Paraag

Could somebody post the link to AB's article on our cap situation? I want to reread it, but I forget where it is.

Originally posted by 4faithful9:

Could somebody post the link to AB's article on our cap situation? I want to reread it, but I forget where it is.

https://www.ninersnation.com/platform/amp/2020/2/10/21130005/49ers-salary-cap-2020-free-agency-arik-armstead-deforest-buckner-jimmie-wart?utm_campaign=ninersnation&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

49erscap.com

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