Paraag Marathe Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:
100% agree with the depth. I don't think there is a deeper roster in the NFL and they ALL have experience and lots of real NFL snaps and continuity in the systems.

As to the marquee positions in today's game? That's where I believe we come up short. It's a passing league so the marquee players are top pass protection units, pass centric QB's, wide receivers, receiving TE's, ER and DB's that generate TO's.

We have a marquee run blocking unit, top paid FB, TE, LT, 3T, ER and LB in a run-centric offense, a moderate QB and a TO-adverse secondary. We're adverse to "today's game" but that formula can work too. I think we're a few top shelf players away (plus health).

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
100% agree with the depth. I don't think there is a deeper roster in the NFL and they ALL have experience and lots of real NFL snaps and continuity in the systems.

As to the marquee positions in today's game? That's where I believe we come up short. It's a passing league so the marquee players are top pass protection units, pass centric QB's, wide receivers, receiving TE's, ER and DB's that generate TO's.

We have a marquee run blocking unit, top paid FB, TE, LT, 3T, ER and LB in a run-centric offense, a moderate QB and a TO-adverse secondary. We're adverse to "today's game" but that formula can work too. I think we're a few top shelf players away (plus health).

One top shelf player away. It's a big position however.

I don't think we need DB's that generate turnovers as much as guys who get 3rd down stops. I will take passes defensed. I don't want a guy like Diggs who makes splash plays but gets killed badly the rest of the time.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
And you did say this same thing about Burrow IIRC.

Yes he missed plays in the SB for sure. But his O line was a far bigger issue then ours was in either the SB or NFC title game. Last play of the game if Donald doesn't get him Chase is wide open as Ramsay fell down.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Don't bother watching next year. NC and GM have let it be known that this team isn't really competing for a SB and are actually in a rebuild …which was news to me lol

Just trying to save you some heartache. It'll still be entertaining either way. They are competitive! Will rarely ever get blown out. Lots of 4Q surprises.

Judging by Jimmy's 4Q performance in the SB snd NFCCG (2 out of last 3 years. Pretty impressive for a team not trying) he got the memo they weren't supposed to compete for the SB as well

Haha. No team has more heart than this team. Hell, heart is what carried them beyond their talent pool.

ha.
but See when you say things about the talent pool, that's where you lose me. They have top shelf talent at the marquee positions along with depth. So not seeing this disparity in talent that you are seeing

100% agree with the depth. I don't think there is a deeper roster in the NFL and they ALL have experience and lots of real NFL snaps and continuity in the systems.

As to the marquee positions in today's game? That's where I believe we come up short. It's a passing league so the marquee players are top pass protection units, pass centric QB's, wide receivers, receiving TE's, ER and DB's that generate TO's.

We have a marquee run blocking unit, top paid FB, TE, LT, 3T, ER and LB in a run-centric offense, a moderate QB and a TO-adverse secondary. We're adverse to "today's game" but that formula can work too. I think we're a few top shelf players away (plus health).

Originally posted by NCommand:
Well then, that should be an easy one-player-away theory to test after this year! Because we all know which player you're talking about.

True, stops on 3rd downs can be like TO's. But that's usually coupled with TO's on top of that and we've been historically bad at those. Stopping 3rd and 4th and longs was a big problem for us at times esp. in the 4Q IIRC. You say Jimmy didn't hit his guys but the defense wasn't always clutch either at stops or stops because of TO's.

Originally posted by NCommand:
And now they're doing everything in their power to fix that. That's the right approach.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm not saying that like AT ALL. I'm saying there's a slot (literally used that word). I'm saying there's only so much we're willing to pay and that has a range. When there's a player we believe is outside of that range we let them walk or trade. That's a fact. And NOPE there's is not only "one way" to be the "highest paid". Are we talking TCV, ACV, APY or guaranteed?

Kinda like the Packers, Steelers and Patriots

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
And now they're doing everything in their power to fix that. That's the right approach.

As are the 9ers with the QB. Went all in.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Don't bother watching next year. NC and GM have let it be known that this team isn't really competing for a SB and are actually in a rebuild …which was news to me lol

Just trying to save you some heartache. It'll still be entertaining either way. They are competitive! Will rarely ever get blown out. Lots of 4Q surprises.

Judging by Jimmy's 4Q performance in the SB snd NFCCG (2 out of last 3 years. Pretty impressive for a team not trying) he got the memo they weren't supposed to compete for the SB as well

Haha. No team has more heart than this team. Hell, heart is what carried them beyond their talent pool.

ha.
but See when you say things about the talent pool, that's where you lose me. They have top shelf talent at the marquee positions along with depth. So not seeing this disparity in talent that you are seeing

100% agree with the depth. I don't think there is a deeper roster in the NFL and they ALL have experience and lots of real NFL snaps and continuity in the systems.

As to the marquee positions in today's game? That's where I believe we come up short. It's a passing league so the marquee players are top pass protection units, pass centric QB's, wide receivers, receiving TE's, ER and DB's that generate TO's.

We have a marquee run blocking unit, top paid FB, TE, LT, 3T, ER and LB in a run-centric offense, a moderate QB and a TO-adverse secondary. We're adverse to "today's game" but that formula can work too. I think we're a few top shelf players away (plus health).

How you figure? They have the best or one of the best LT, MLB, ER, WR and TE in the game. Those are the marquee positions outside of QB. And stop with the caveat about DBs that generate TO's. It was, and has been, a top unit period. Throwing the TO thing in there is to try and offset their ranking and production.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Don't bother watching next year. NC and GM have let it be known that this team isn't really competing for a SB and are actually in a rebuild …which was news to me lol

Just trying to save you some heartache. It'll still be entertaining either way. They are competitive! Will rarely ever get blown out. Lots of 4Q surprises.

Judging by Jimmy's 4Q performance in the SB snd NFCCG (2 out of last 3 years. Pretty impressive for a team not trying) he got the memo they weren't supposed to compete for the SB as well

Haha. No team has more heart than this team. Hell, heart is what carried them beyond their talent pool.

ha.
but See when you say things about the talent pool, that's where you lose me. They have top shelf talent at the marquee positions along with depth. So not seeing this disparity in talent that you are seeing

100% agree with the depth. I don't think there is a deeper roster in the NFL and they ALL have experience and lots of real NFL snaps and continuity in the systems.

As to the marquee positions in today's game? That's where I believe we come up short. It's a passing league so the marquee players are top pass protection units, pass centric QB's, wide receivers, receiving TE's, ER and DB's that generate TO's.

We have a marquee run blocking unit, top paid FB, TE, LT, 3T, ER and LB in a run-centric offense, a moderate QB and a TO-adverse secondary. We're adverse to "today's game" but that formula can work too. I think we're a few top shelf players away (plus health).

How you figure? They have the best or one of the best LT, MLB, ER, WR and TE in the game. Those are the marquee positions outside of QB. And stop with the caveat about DBs that generate TO's. It was, and has been, a top unit period. Throwing the TO thing in there is to try and offset their ranking and production.

Ha. LT, for sure esp. when he can make it through 17 games, Warner had a poor year, Bosa is insanely good, Deebo wants out and our TE is oft injured and is massively under utilized in the passing game. Most of this is due to the philosophy they employ (run centric, ball and TOP control, DL rotation). A top unit in yards but can't generate TO's is a big problem come the playoffs and playoff positioning. Right Tartt?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Don't bother watching next year. NC and GM have let it be known that this team isn't really competing for a SB and are actually in a rebuild …which was news to me lol

Just trying to save you some heartache. It'll still be entertaining either way. They are competitive! Will rarely ever get blown out. Lots of 4Q surprises.

Judging by Jimmy's 4Q performance in the SB snd NFCCG (2 out of last 3 years. Pretty impressive for a team not trying) he got the memo they weren't supposed to compete for the SB as well

Haha. No team has more heart than this team. Hell, heart is what carried them beyond their talent pool.

ha.
but See when you say things about the talent pool, that's where you lose me. They have top shelf talent at the marquee positions along with depth. So not seeing this disparity in talent that you are seeing

100% agree with the depth. I don't think there is a deeper roster in the NFL and they ALL have experience and lots of real NFL snaps and continuity in the systems.

As to the marquee positions in today's game? That's where I believe we come up short. It's a passing league so the marquee players are top pass protection units, pass centric QB's, wide receivers, receiving TE's, ER and DB's that generate TO's.

We have a marquee run blocking unit, top paid FB, TE, LT, 3T, ER and LB in a run-centric offense, a moderate QB and a TO-adverse secondary. We're adverse to "today's game" but that formula can work too. I think we're a few top shelf players away (plus health).

How you figure? They have the best or one of the best LT, MLB, ER, WR and TE in the game. Those are the marquee positions outside of QB. And stop with the caveat about DBs that generate TO's. It was, and has been, a top unit period. Throwing the TO thing in there is to try and offset their ranking and production.

Ha. LT, for sure esp. when he can make it through 17 games, Warner had a poor year, Bosa is insanely good, Deebo wants out and our TE is oft injured and is massively under utilized in the passing game. Most of this is due to the philosophy they employ (run centric, ball and TOP control, DL rotation). A top unit in yards but can't generate TO's is a big problem come the playoffs and playoff positioning. Right Tartt?

Way to downplay 5 all pros

Originally posted by NCommand:
Ha. LT, for sure esp. when he can make it through 17 games, Warner had a poor year, Bosa is insanely good, Deebo wants out and our TE is oft injured and is massively under utilized in the passing game. Most of this is due to the philosophy they employ (run centric, ball and TOP control, DL rotation). A top unit in yards but can't generate TO's is a big problem come the playoffs and playoff positioning. Right Tartt?

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'll be waiting for my apology from Hoov and All.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Ha. LT, for sure esp. when he can make it through 17 games, Warner had a poor year, Bosa is insanely good, Deebo wants out and our TE is oft injured and is massively under utilized in the passing game. Most of this is due to the philosophy they employ (run centric, ball and TOP control, DL rotation). A top unit in yards but can't generate TO's is a big problem come the playoffs and playoff positioning. Right Tartt?

Most teams would kill to have a TE who has over 900 yards and 6 TD's in 14 games who is an elite blocker, The best in the league. And that was considered a down year for him.